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EK77WNCL 10th Oct 2017 14:56

Well in that case I reckon Jet2 should drop all their canaries flights, we saw how much hassle it caused back in '77 when Las Palmas got closed and all those aircraft were diverted

Plus Jet2 fly to the canaries much more regularly, with larger aircraft, which must hugely increase the chances of large amounts of disruption in the event of bad weather

Come on... Really? If it was that bad, why would anyone fly into Funchal at all? Or any other challenging airports for that matter

daz211 10th Oct 2017 15:37

Your been a bit silly with your comment regarding the canaries totally different when it comes to wex diversions the main one is ACE with easy diversions to FUE nothing like loosing approx 6 rotations and hoteling 180 pax also the Canary Islands bring a lot more money to an airline than FNC

LGS6753 10th Oct 2017 18:57

Nearest diversion to FNC is Porto Santo, an ex-NATO airfield with 3000m runway, decent facilities and hotels on the island. It's about 50 miles NE of FNC.

daz211 10th Oct 2017 19:05


Originally Posted by Council Van (Post 9920653)
Jet2 fly to Funchal because they make money by doing so, unlike other airlines they also do everything they can to get the customers on holiday and will keep trying until they do.

Well if there is a prize for stating the obvious you win

My point is ... there are other route options available with a lot less costly wex diversions of course jet2 make money by flying there that was not the debate the argument against FNC operationally is your diversions options are far away with no option for ground transportation taking an aircraft out of operation for many sectors over a number of days in my own experience.

daz211 10th Oct 2017 19:10


Originally Posted by LGS6753 (Post 9920679)
Nearest diversion to FNC is Porto Santo, an ex-NATO airfield with 3000m runway, decent facilities and hotels on the island. It's about 50 miles NE of FNC.

Agree not the most suitable though most wex diversions would prefer to divert to an airport you operate from hence why jet2 normally divert to the Canary Islands or Portugal.

Chesty Morgan 10th Oct 2017 20:15

Porto Santo would be used for a quick 'splash and dash' rather than a night stop. The benefit of Porto Santo is that it's close. Compared to Faro you'll get another hour and a half of holding fuel. So if the weather is marginal at Funchal you're better off holding for as long as possible, ping into PXO, have another go at FNC then clear of to the Canaries. But, it's only got 7 stands available and it fills up quickly so that isn't always possible.

garry8g 11th Oct 2017 16:39

First picture of G-JZBA

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/8723462

paully 13th Oct 2017 09:40

Tuesday when the lazy French decided to have another day doing anything but work, even their own President calls them slackers. We were stuck at FUE for 3 hours sat on the plane waiting for a slot back to Stansted.Fair did Jet2 were excellent at looking after all of us. But other Jet2 flights did a lot better.One was the 757 back to Leeds which went back on a tango route, via Ireland etc.

Question ,is that ,because the 75 drivers are qualified on oceanic whilst the 738 are not? ..our route back was Bay of Biscay,across the Brest Peninsula, channel etc..

paully 13th Oct 2017 09:42

[QUOTE=paully;9923531]Tuesday when the lazy French decided to have another day doing anything but work, even their own President calls them slackers. We were stuck at FUE for 3 hours sat on the plane waiting for a slot back to Stansted.Fair do Jet2 were excellent at looking after all of us. But other Jet2 flights did a lot better.One was the 757 back to Leeds which went back on a tango route, via Ireland etc with minimum delay.

Question .......is that ,because the 75 drivers are qualified on oceanic whilst the 738 are not? ..our route back was Bay of Biscay,across the Brest Peninsula, channel etc ??

Flying Wild 13th Oct 2017 09:56

None of the routings from the Canaries via the Tango routes (T16, T216 and T9) require any special training. Some additional equipment is required though. T16 requires aircraft to have two HF radios and two independent means of navigation. The aircraft based at Stansted meet these requirements. What you have to bare in mind is that these routes are procedurally controlled which means greater separation between aircraft. Add in all the airlines filing via the Tango routes to avoid French airspace and capacity quickly disappears. In this instance you were probably unfortunate. Jet2 will always try to get passengers on board and submit a "ready" message to try and bring ATC slots forward.

Plane.Silly 13th Oct 2017 10:23

At least Jet2 actually try to get all their flights off when they can, compared to other airlines who seem happy to chop a few out, thouh i do suspect a few of those, would be due to capacity on route.

I do get why Jet2 have their planes full early to take advantage of earlier Slots when possible, but this can backfire if it isn't possible. A friend was coming back from PMI and was on the plane for 2 hours before they were allowed to takeoff. Not the most comfortable place to be couped up, but it could have be worse.

116d 13th Oct 2017 12:24

In my view, that's preferable to missing your slot for x hours because boarding was delayed until it became close to the slot becoming available but then it took longer than anticipated to board ll passengers due to someone missing the call whilst in the bar/shops and then the rigmarole of offloading bags if they checked in hold luggage and incurring additional costs as a result.

Johnny [email protected] Pants 13th Oct 2017 14:21


A friend was coming back from PMI and was on the plane for 2 hours before they were allowed to takeoff. Not the most comfortable place to be couped up, but it could have be worse.
Slots change regularly, so if you aren't ready to push and start then you are goosed. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.

paully 13th Oct 2017 15:22

Thanks for the info..please don't get me wrong I think the Jet2 crew did a fantastic job, and I fully understand the reasoning behind having us on board. The Captain was Chris Fleming who invited the kids to look in the flight deck, explained everything that was going on..Attended personally to some nervous types and let everyone use their mobiles etc until the appropriate time..

Free refreshments and water dished out etc and we were simply looked after well..Many pax hadn't been with them before(new route and that) but will certainly be going with them again...Mind you, you wouldn't have wanted to be French on that flight

Flying Wild 16th Oct 2017 20:35

First of the next batch, G-JZBA, scheduled for delivery from Seattle into Leeds tomorrow morning.

Plane.Silly 18th Oct 2017 07:47

Jet2 have been given a 5 star rating for their on time performance, making them the most punctual in the UK, according to OAG

https://www.oag.com/on-time-performance-star-ratings

TSR2 18th Oct 2017 09:21

Well done Jet2.

garry8g 24th Oct 2017 19:00

I see that Jet2 has a leased A320 from SmartLynx based at Birmingham (YL-LCP) since 12th October. Extra capacity to cover the Monarch demise?

I assume short term until a few more of the new B737-800's arrive.

crewmeal 25th Oct 2017 06:58

Posn flight
 
Why are the press making such an issue on what is presumably a positioning flight outbound at this time of the year. There are loads of flights that go out empty to pick up returning passengers at the end of the season.

Jet2 passenger who paid 46 for a flight from Glasgow to Crete gets whole plane to herself | The Independent

chaps1954 25th Oct 2017 08:24

Remember that happening to me many many years ago with Dan Air to Athens on a B727 2 of us at front and 2 at back for balancing and they had over catered so were given 3 meals each, happy days

The96er 25th Oct 2017 12:32

Monarch went bust - Get over it! The CAA did what they had to do at considerable expense too.

Donkeygone 25th Oct 2017 19:32

[QUOTE=crewmeal;9935829]Why are the press making such an issue on what is presumably a positioning flight outbound at this time of the year. There are loads of flights that go out empty to pick up returning passengers at the end of the season.


Because it's a fun story? Jeez. Lighten up dude

garry8g 26th Oct 2017 14:52

Flightradar shows CELI scheduled for a flight from Leeds to Kemble today (ESX031E)!

garry8g 26th Oct 2017 14:53

Are we likely to see more second hand B737-800's joining the fleet this winter? To cover some extra fleet expansion in the light of the Monarch demise.

Or is it more likely that they will try and source further A330 leases for the summer?
I believe that there will be second one from AirTanker (G-VYGM) next summer, along with the return of G-VYGL.
Also, as Titan are reported to be acquiring 2 ex AirBerlin A330's, are we likely to see one or possibly both of these leased over summer 18? This would certainly increase capacity at Manchester & possibly Stansted?

BFS BHD 26th Oct 2017 18:18


Originally Posted by garry8g (Post 9937198)
Flightradar shows CELI scheduled for a flight from Leeds to Kemble today (ESX031E)!


Any idea where G-GDFE is hasn't flown for a while.

chaps1954 26th Oct 2017 18:27

Ferried to Dublin 2nd October so probably maintenance

BFS BHD 26th Oct 2017 18:32

Thanks for the information! :)

milhouse999 29th Oct 2017 16:43


Originally Posted by garry8g (Post 9937198)
Flightradar shows CELI scheduled for a flight from Leeds to Kemble today (ESX031E)!

Just noticed this also - going their to be scrapped? It hasn't flown since its 2 successive emergency landings in August

chaps1954 29th Oct 2017 17:29

Yes ferried to Kemble Friday morning

garry8g 30th Oct 2017 20:07

I see Primera's B737-800 (OY-PSA) has returned home this afternoon following it's summer lease with Jet2.

And it looks like Titan's A321-211 (G-POWN) is due back to Stansted this evening, after it's return flight from Malta to Manchester.

Plane.Silly 31st Oct 2017 08:47


Are we likely to see more second hand B737-800's joining the fleet this winter? To cover some extra fleet expansion in the light of the Monarch demise.
It's possible. Jet2 do have a further 14 738NG's coming over the winter, of which at least 1 (G-JZBA) already been delivered and 2nd due soon. No doubt these will already have been allocated, but given the extraordinary circumstance of ZB's demise, a couple extra wouldn't harm, or they may even keep some 733's for another year.

LiamNCL 31st Oct 2017 09:32

With the Summer season over are we likely to see the 8MG aircraft spread between bases to that pretty much all 738 departures are on new aircraft over the winter?

HH6702 31st Oct 2017 10:49

Depends on the loads.
I would expect the 300's still be used

irishlad06 31st Oct 2017 14:53


Originally Posted by garry8g (Post 9941579)
I see Primera's B737-800 (OY-PSA) has returned home this afternoon following it's summer lease with Jet2.

And it looks like Titan's A321-211 (G-POWN) is due back to Stansted this evening, after it's return flight from Malta to Manchester.

GL is also positioning from MAN to PIK for end of lease before coming back to operate two EWR flights from MAN and 2 from NCL - (STN now on a B757)

irishlad06 31st Oct 2017 14:59


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 9942004)
It's possible. Jet2 do have a further 14 738NG's coming over the winter, of which at least 1 (G-JZBA) already been delivered and 2nd due soon. No doubt these will already have been allocated, but given the extraordinary circumstance of ZB's demise, a couple extra wouldn't harm, or they may even keep some 733's for another year.

GJZBB has already been delivered and will go into service this Thursday.

The 300's will still be used from all bases except GLA MAN STN and BHX.

Expect a few more 800's (2nd hand) to be delivered as with previous years. (Even for this summer 2 second hand aircraft were bought GDRTA and B )

Expect to see the A321 possibly back next summer along with possibly an extra one or two A330's.
If rumours are true GL from air tanker.

garry8g 31st Oct 2017 15:51


Originally Posted by irishlad06 (Post 9942413)
GJZBB has already been delivered and will go into service this Thursday.

GJZBB entered service yesterday afternoon on LS265 from Leeds to Malaga.

garry8g 31st Oct 2017 15:56


Originally Posted by irishlad06 (Post 9942413)
Expect to see the A321 possibly back next summer along with possibly an extra one or two A330's.
If rumours are true GL from air tanker.

I read on another forum that G-VYGM which is currently with Thomas Cook, is expected to join G-VYGL at Jet2 next summer.

And there are also the rumoured 2 ex AirBerlin A330's due to Titan, which are a possibility for Jet2, as they have a good working relationship with Titan.

Plane.Silly 31st Oct 2017 17:12

At the rate of expansion Jet2 are currently going through, a total of 4x A330's wouldn't be completely off the table. would they all be based at MAN though? or will they spread them to other bigger bases.
On that note, could LBA take an A332?

daz211 31st Oct 2017 17:47

I wouldn’t be surprised if one is based at STN in addition to Titan 757 I know for a face that jet2 are more than surprised with demand at STN helped by the Ryanair issues and the demise of Monarch at LTN and plan to double its based aircraft by summer 2019 :ok:

Plane.Silly 1st Nov 2017 08:49

It's been noted in the BFS thread that some dates upto Apr 2019 are now on sale. Worth watching in the next few days for any surprises?


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