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MKY661 9th Apr 2018 13:44


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10112105)
Is it also where we see the arrival of GIB that was hypothesised ages ago?

Let's hope so, GIB has lost quite a bit of traffic since Monarch went, MAN reduced to 3pw (and EasyJet have also downgraded the aircraft) and both LTN & BHX are now unserved, although if they were to do it then they would probably do it from STN rather than LTN.

rog747 9th Apr 2018 13:48

GIB is OK for A320/319 and 757 (and 733/734/737-700) Ops.

738 and 737Max has to operate into GIB under quite restricted payload and performance penalties
which = we won't make money on restricted payloads

Plane.Silly 9th Apr 2018 14:01

Would be a good reason to keep the 733's a bit longer...

Mooncrest 9th Apr 2018 15:12

The company needs to think long-term about the 733s. OK for ballpark places like Gibraltar for two or three years but ultimately in need of replacement. The latest 737-700 would seem logical.

PDXCWL45 9th Apr 2018 15:20


Originally Posted by irishlad06 (Post 10111733)
There are 2 B733 due for retirement in the next 2 weeks // GCELG and GCELK I think.

They wonít expand into anymore UK airports for a while unless a huge opportunity presents itself. They are now going to concentrate on growing their existing bases as evident by the schedule release for each new base so far.

There are two more aircraft due for delivery before the end of April that thatís all of the original order of 30 delivered. The top up order of 4 will start delivery in August and finish in January 2019. I doubt we will see any new aircraft ordered after this until we get a replacement for the B757 fleet.

The plan is for STN and BHX to grow to the size of the MAN base if the market takes it. They are expanding in self handling with currently this summer LBA/MAN/EMA/BHX/STN, ALC and TFS all fully self handle stations. (Their own staff on all parts of the ground from check in to bag loading and dispatch)

If EDI get 7 aircraft next summer and NCL that is the magic number for self handling to work so they might see self handling introduced. Costs more upfront but because you have 100% control over your operation then you get more repeat custom so makes them money in the long run.

There will soon be 3 new destinations to be announced for S19. MAN along with other bases will serve all 3 new destinations.

In terms of growth they are continuing to acquire 2nd hand B738ís (GDRTC/D/E and F acquired for this summer) so I expect at least another 4 for next year including the leases in aircraft. 6 in total this summer.

GPOWN
GPOWT
YL-LCV
GVYGL
GPOWH
ECIDT

Where are they going to get the extra aircraft from to expand the likes of BHX and STN to sizes comparable to MAN and keep on expanding their other bases?
And why would they leave an obvious gap in their network like South Wales and the South West any longer than necessary?

azz767 9th Apr 2018 15:42

Whose got good examples of 737-700ís that are going to be available? A few of the American airlines maybe?

paully 9th Apr 2018 15:58

Gib
 
The Spanish seem to be holding out an Olive branch to Gibraltar, at the moment and are openly wanting to share use of the, presently underused,airport facility. The fact that they are openly talking usually means the negotiations are at an advanced stage.

Both sides are desperate to kick start the economy of the Campo area and see the airport as a big part of that. Where political agreement is formed, big business always follows. You never know.

I understand that the new 738`s were fitted with the `short field `pack that makes them suitable for such a short runway, but I could be wrong.

pamann 9th Apr 2018 16:00

Summer 2019
 
I think Santorini is a certain for 2019, Mykonos I'm not sure there are enough hotel rooms surplus on the island to justify multiple flights.

Chania is a good option too. After that I can see Bourgas/Varna or Tunisia.

Any idea when they plan to announce the new routes for Summer 2019?

L1649 9th Apr 2018 16:04

Both G-CELF and G-CELG are due to operate their last service on 23/4/18.

L1649 9th Apr 2018 16:08


Originally Posted by P330 (Post 10111959)

What has the reliability of the 733s been of late?

Not too good. I believe six of them were AOG this last Saturday. :uhoh:

snowman 1 9th Apr 2018 16:15

l1649
where did that info come from??

L1649 9th Apr 2018 16:39


Originally Posted by snowman 1 (Post 10112333)
l1649
where did that info come from??

From a very reliable source.

HH6702 9th Apr 2018 17:55

ive heard new routes also but im guessing bulgaria first and another part of turkey or another greek route

skyhawk1 9th Apr 2018 17:57


Originally Posted by irishlad06 (Post 10111733)
There are 2 B733 due for retirement in the next 2 weeks // GCELG and GCELK I think.

They wonít expand into anymore UK airports for a while unless a huge opportunity presents itself. They are now going to concentrate on growing their existing bases as evident by the schedule release for each new base so far.

There are two more aircraft due for delivery before the end of April that thatís all of the original order of 30 delivered. The top up order of 4 will start delivery in August and finish in January 2019. I doubt we will see any new aircraft ordered after this until we get a replacement for the B757 fleet.

The plan is for STN and BHX to grow to the size of the MAN base if the market takes it. They are expanding in self handling with currently this summer LBA/MAN/EMA/BHX/STN, ALC and TFS all fully self handle stations. (Their own staff on all parts of the ground from check in to bag loading and dispatch)

If EDI get 7 aircraft next summer and NCL that is the magic number for self handling to work so they might see self handling introduced. Costs more upfront but because you have 100% control over your operation then you get more repeat custom so makes them money in the long run.

There will soon be 3 new destinations to be announced for S19. MAN along with other bases will serve all 3 new destinations.

In terms of growth they are continuing to acquire 2nd hand B738ís (GDRTC/D/E and F acquired for this summer) so I expect at least another 4 for next year including the leases in aircraft. 6 in total this summer.

GPOWN
GPOWT
YL-LCV
GVYGL
GPOWH
ECIDT

NCL already have 7 based aircraft plus ALC and PMI based aircraft pop in during the summer. Also winter market breaks and New York in winter yet still donít self handle.

ssflyer 9th Apr 2018 21:57

New Routes 2019?
 
Why not Nice and Marseilles?
SSF

OltonPete 9th Apr 2018 22:18

France
 

Originally Posted by ssflyer (Post 10112649)
Why not Nice and Marseilles?
SSF

Nice is already offered from Leeds and Manchester but for BHX it should be nailed on and I am amazed it hasn't been announced. Monarch BHX-NCE was never stellar but I can't see any reason why Jet2 wouldn't be able to make it work.

Lisbon would be useful but I can't see then trying that at Manchester. Certainly Bulgaria seems a good guess and maybe a North African destination.

Still plenty to choose from at BHX.

Pete

daz211 9th Apr 2018 22:32

Maybe Tunisia or Egypt, think I would also like to see VCE from Stansted up against Ryanair On the route VCE is much more convenient than TSF.

rog747 10th Apr 2018 10:12

JMK and JTR are pretty much maxed out on many days hence Norwegian basically operate almost a night fight as does TUI and TCK on a couple - BRS for example so
until both airports sort their handling and facilities out I cannot see many more ops there - and some UK airlines do not do night ops into JMK

a 738 going into GIB suffers at a 62 tonne MLW into there - my pal is a skipper at DY he has all the figures for both the MAX too - operationally/financially its a no-go for them even with short field performance

azz767 10th Apr 2018 10:26

Could Iceland be an outside chance? Ever increasing flights from MAN, just see the MAN thread. EZY seem to be testing the waters from various bases but there should be opportunity for EXS from some of their bases no?

Plane.Silly 10th Apr 2018 13:05

Loving all the speculation. to offer my 2 pennies....

Marseilles - Great for adding France / city destinations but difficult to justify, due to limited 'beach' offering.
Bulgaria (Burgas/Varna). Heard quite a bit of speculation on this, and would be a good shout. Only issue would be how much they can get. at 4hrs from the UK, could they get the revenue they need to keep it alive? (regardless of which bird they use)
Tunisia - They dipped their toe in 2011 - didnt work, tried again 2015 - terror attack. Sensing a theme of 4 years here so maybe back on for 2019? It is on the up again.
Egypt - Would imagine only the B752's could realistically do it, isn't it right on the limit for B738's. 733's have no chance
Iceland - can see the appeal, but with the large amount of incumbants across the UK, and it's preference for transfers to the USA, i'd be surprised.
GIB - would be good, but the 738 restriction will hold this back, unless it's solely on B733's (B752 in MAN due to no 733's based)

The remaining 3 bases should be on sale in the next couple of weeks so we may find out then...


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