The economics of operating 1x 325+ seat aircraft doing 2 short haul flights a day on high demand routes with 2 sets of crew must work out better than utilising 2x 189 doing 2 flights per day with 4 sets of crews. As a holiday company you also need to look at whats going on in resort. I only suggested the B788 since Jet2 like to own Boeing and lease Airbus. An all economy B788 would probably get in the region of 350 seats, close to 2 x B738's at 378 seats, that was the logic behind all this |
Historically in the past we have seen all the major IT holiday charter airlines use on their prime high density routes big wide body aircraft - all big people movers.
BOAC used their new 747-100's LHR to Palma at weekends when they first got them from 1971 Then Court Line Tristars Laker and BCAL DC-10's, B-tours Tristars A300's of Laker Monarch Orion Dan Air. Britannia 767's from 1984 and so on In Europe Condor Scanair/SAS KLM Sabena LTU Finnair Martinair TEA Conair used a mix of 747's DC-10's A300 A330 MD11 and Tristar to the Med and Canaries all the time. Since the plethora of new 737 and A320/321 coming along we have seen smaller and smaller aircraft used on peak IT routes with ever increasing design in maxing out of seats - the 757 and 767 are now a rare species. The economics and size of the A330 see's their use again on peak IT routes The 787 which TUI use around their short and medium haul does not have the same economics and they were not really designed for short haul use. Not sure if we will ever see the days of large numbers of wide bodies back on these types of flights |
It may well be the way companies sell package holidays, they all used to go on certain days (hotel ,changeover) but now people want to go the days that suit them so instead of all flights going on a Wednesday they are now 5 flights a week and people picking say Easyjet out and return on Jet2 because of days of operation, times etc.
The other thing 30 years ago the main small aircraft were a lot smaller than now (1-11, B732) as against B738/A321 even A320 are not common. |
I am with rog747 on this one - A330 is an excellent, very capable aircraft compared to a B788 and adapts very well to the short haul holiday market (compared to the B788). I still don’t get the economics of a B788 in such a market - there’s is considerable seat mile cost savings with a B738 compared to the high lease rates of a B788. |
Originally Posted by caaardiff
(Post 10369831)
The economics of operating 1x 325+ seat aircraft doing 2 short haul flights a day on high demand routes with 2 sets of crew must work out better than utilising 2x 189 doing 2 flights per day with 4 sets of crews. As a holiday company you also need to look at whats going on in resort. It's TUI Holidays that needs the flights, not TUI Airways. So one set of transfers, check-in at Airport and Hotels, reps etc etc.
How long are the 757's due to be around for? That will be a cut in capacity and also restricts the US flights. |
Will they last that long when it comes to flight cycles?
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Originally Posted by chaps1954
(Post 10370298)
The other thing 30 years ago the main small aircraft were a lot smaller than now (1-11, B732) as against B738/A321 even A320 are not common. Then along came in the early 70's older big jets like cheap but thirsty 707's 720B's and the 727-100's on the IT charters (KT BD DA GK and OM) followed soon by the first new Court and Laker wide bodies. |
Don’t forget Donaldson (DI?) |
Originally Posted by willy wombat
(Post 10371397)
Don’t forget Donaldson (DI?) |
Jethros are reporting that the proposed summer lease of an Evelop A330-300 has now been cancelled.
Anyone know anymore? Are they looking for a replacement or is it they have realised they don't need that capacity. |
Originally Posted by caaardiff
(Post 10369831)
The economics of operating 1x 325+ seat aircraft doing 2 short haul flights a day on high demand routes with 2 sets of crew must work out better than utilising 2x 189 doing 2 flights per day with 4 sets of crews. As a holiday company you also need to look at whats going on in resort. It's TUI Holidays that needs the flights, not TUI Airways. So one set of transfers, check-in at Airport and Hotels, reps etc etc.
I agree that the use of a widebody on a short-haul route doesn't make sense on the face of it and it makes no sense to buy and use an aircraft as capable (and expensive when new) as the 787 in that way all the time. However, when the bigger picture is taken into account you can see why TUI do it and why they're not alone in that regard. |
And if No Deal Brexit (sorry!) happens and UK airlines are capped at the 2018 frequencies suddenly the wide bodies look even better
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Jet2 are to offer booking in the day before for hold cases from 3pm to 8pm
https://www.jet2.com/twilight This is certainly ideal for me as I struggle with my partner in a wheel chair or families with buggies etc. |
Does anyone know where the 757s will be based this summer and on what routes?
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Originally Posted by Civagiarn
(Post 10376555)
Does anyone know where the 757s will be based this summer and on what routes?
At the minute it looks like the plan is for 4 x B757’s to be based in LBA. (Maybe a titan B757 as well but not confirmed as Air Europa EC-IDT seems to be based there instead. 7xB757’s to be based in MAN with 6 flying and 1 on standby. From MAN and LBA they will fly a mixture of routes. A quick looks shows the below DLM FUE ACE HER PFO LCA ZTH ADB IBZ FAO VCE AGP ALC REU DBV BCN RHO LPA EFL FNC CFU TFS BUD PMI MAH BJV SPU ALC These are subject to change however are all on sale as B757s between 27th July and 2nd Aug. |
Jet2's last brand new B737-800 (G-JZBS) flew to the paint shop in Bournemouth this morning. Not long till we see it in full Jet2 Holidays livery!
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Jethros are reporting that the proposed summer lease of an Evelop A330-300 has now been cancelled. Anyone know anymore? |
Originally Posted by johnny f@rt pants
(Post 10380212)
i do........:ok: |
Which was ?? evelop need it themselves due to late A350 arrival or jet2 can't fill the aircraft anymore |
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Has been working out of STN. |
Yes correctly pointed out...he meant JZBS.
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10380300)
Yes correctly pointed out...he meant JZBS.
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Which was ?? evelop need it themselves due to late A350 arrival or jet2 can't fill the aircraft anymore My money would be either on Evelop for the A350 delay or...dare i say it...uncertainty from the 'B' word |
Originally Posted by HH6702
(Post 10380250)
Which was ?? evelop need it themselves due to late A350 arrival or jet2 can't fill the aircraft anymore |
Originally Posted by HH6702
(Post 10380250)
Which was ??
evelop need it themselves due to late A350 arrival or jet2 can't fill the aircraft anymore
Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
(Post 10380659)
I don't doubt Jet2 could have sold all the 350+ seats it had, the fact they brought in a 2nd Air tankers testament to that.
My money would be either on Evelop for the A350 delay or...dare i say it...uncertainty from the 'B' word |
Have G-GDFH B737-300 & G-GDFT B737-300 both been withdrawn from service or are they getting a 'C' Checks?
Also anyone know where the other 2nd hand B737-800s are coming from? Four are ex Primera. But there is meant to be 5 or 6 more 2nd hand due for S19. |
Originally Posted by BFS BHD
(Post 10382275)
Have G-GDFH B737-300 & G-GDFT B737-300 both been withdrawn from service or are they getting a 'C' Checks?
Also anyone know where the other 2nd hand B737-800s are coming from? Four are ex Primera. But there is meant to be 5 or 6 more 2nd hand due for S19. |
Thanks Fly757X!
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Originally Posted by Fly757X
(Post 10382313)
G-GDFH has been WFU, citing significant issues
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Just out of interest: what sort of issues? Shame since it probably had a good few years left in it by Jet2's standards |
Originally Posted by Plane.Silly
(Post 10383842)
Was in for maintenance, found corrosion on the wing. Must have been serious enough to warrant retirement.
Shame since it probably had a good few years left in it by Jet2's standards |
Originally Posted by Fly757X
(Post 10383869)
Indeed and after this year it will leave only GDFG and GDFT in the .com livery in the -300 fleet. |
G-GDFH is at Lasham and destined to be scrapped once all the usable components have been removed.
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G-JZBK positioned to NCL today in what looks to have replaced 1 of 2 final remaining 733's at the base, Tomorrows NCL-GNB is the last flight im aware of on the 737-300 from Newcastle.
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Originally Posted by MKY661
(Post 10383884)
Also G-GDFE, unless that is due to be retired as well? I thought only the rest of the G-CEL*'s were going?
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G-JZBK positioned to NCL today in what looks to have replaced 1 of 2 final remaining 733's at the base, Tomorrows NCL-GNB is the last flight im aware of on the 737-300 from Newcastle. Quote: Originally Posted by MKY661 https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gifAlso G-GDFE, unless that is due to be retired as well? I thought only the rest of the G-CEL*'s were going? Knew I would forget GDFE! I've heard very little on it but I would assume it will follow shortly behind CELE/Y G-GDFE operated the Newcastle to Grenoble and return flight today, then went onwards to operate NCL to Sofia and return so maybe this may/ not be last 733's out of Newcastle |
Originally Posted by VentureGo
(Post 10385207)
G-GDFE operated the Newcastle to Grenoble and return flight today, then went onwards to operate NCL to Sofia and return so maybe this may/ not be last 733's out of Newcastle |
Originally Posted by LiamNCL
(Post 10385217)
Next weeks NCL-GNB is on a 738 cant find what the Sofia flight is , maybe its got a few weeks left yet then.
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G-DRTT returned to Leeds last night from Bournemouth, following it's repaint out of Primera livery.
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B737-800 G-DRTG has flown it's first revenue flight for Jet2 this morning, Leeds to Alicante and return (LS271/272).
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