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EGPO 2nd Mar 2019 11:46


Originally Posted by chaps1954 (Post 10404640)
Are you sure there was a B747 in HUY as I don`t think runway is anywhere near long enough

Sorry I meant Stornoway, it was a medical emergency .

virginblue 2nd Mar 2019 12:05

Leaving issues such as crosswind limits etc. aside: KOI and LSI have 1.428m and 1.500m runways. LCY has 1.508m and has seen ER3 ops by Jetmagic and Luxair. So just looking at the runway length, it should be doable for sn ER3 .For the ERJ145EP, takeoff field length TOW for 400nm, full PAX, ISA, SL is 1.410m, for MTOW it is 2.000m+. So it really depends what you are looking for, how much wear and tear you are willing to accept etc. etc., but generally it does not look as if an ER4 could be operated from LSI/KOI in an useful way.

Rob Royston 2nd Mar 2019 12:24


Originally Posted by inOban (Post 10404705)
And you certainly don't want to run off the end of the Sumburgh runway, as both ends were extended into the sea.

Sadly that has already happened, 1978 I think. At least three work colleagues were killed among others. A Dan Air HS748 that had some modifications done to it by previous owners in South America.
A few weeks later we were taking off for Glasgow late in the evening and hit a gull as we were about ready to lift off, I think it was on the other runway, but we managed to stop. Luckily the Aberdeen charter had not left and I think we all got on it. We missed the train home from there, but no one was complaining. They got us on the BA flight in the morning.

Skipness One Foxtrot 2nd Mar 2019 12:56

The Stornoway div was a Pan Am A310 from memory.

virginblue 2nd Mar 2019 13:26

In 2016, Airbus did proving flights to/from SYY with an Airbus A350 so that must have been the largest widebody ever to land there.

In 2001, an AA 767 diverted to SYY because of an medical emergency. Pan Am diversion (mechanical issue) was in 1990. Problem in those cases: No steps available for a widebody.

EGPO 2nd Mar 2019 14:18


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10404774)
Leaving issues such as crosswind limits etc. aside: KOI and LSI have 1.428m and 1.500m runways. LCY has 1.508m and has seen ER3 ops by Jetmagic and Luxair. So just looking at the runway length, it should be doable for sn ER3 .For the ERJ145EP, takeoff field length TOW for 400nm, full PAX, ISA, SL is 1.410m, for MTOW it is 2.000m+. So it really depends what you are looking for, how much wear and tear you are willing to accept etc. etc., but generally it does not look as if an ER4 could be operated from LSI/KOI in an useful way.

Are Loganair in possession of an ER3?.

chaps1954 2nd Mar 2019 14:36

Yes they use one on INV-MAN

Ian

4567 2nd Mar 2019 14:46

Any idea how many more Embraers are to transfer to Loganair?

Severn 2nd Mar 2019 14:48


Originally Posted by EGPO (Post 10404907)
Are Loganair in possession of an ER3?.

Below is a complete list of the current Loganair Embraer fleet and their operations on 1st March:

E135 x1
G-SAJB - Operating Loganair routes from INV

E145 x7
G-RJXC - Operating the Airbus shuttle - BRS/TLS/CEG
G-RJXD - Operating Loganair routes from INV
G-RJXE - Operating for flybe ABZ-NWI
G-RJXH - Operating the Airbus shuttle - BRS/TLS/CEG
G-RJXI - Operating Loganair routes from LDY-STN
G-RJXM - Positioned to ABZ on 28-Feb
G-SAJC - Operating Loganair routes from GLA

garry8g 3rd Mar 2019 07:04


Originally Posted by 4567 (Post 10404928)
Any idea how many more Embraers are to transfer to Loganair?

I imagine a few more aircraft will transfer over. They will require one for Newcastle, when those flights begin later this month.
Also, Glasgow to Dusseldorf starts at the end of this month. There was also supposed to be a further two Embraers transferring to Loganair for summer 19 anyway.
Plus with the Southend flights being announced, a would suspect further aircraft will be required for these services.

Rob Royston 3rd Mar 2019 11:46


Originally Posted by garry8g (Post 10405458)
I imagine a few more aircraft will transfer over. They will require one for Newcastle, when those flights begin later this month.
Also, Glasgow to Dusseldorf starts at the end of this month. There was also supposed to be a further two Embraers transferring to Loganair for summer 19 anyway.
Plus with the Southend flights being announced, a would suspect further aircraft will be required for these services.

I'm sure they will need a few more transferred as required.
Tomorrow they start Esjberg and Oslo from ABZ. They have one aircraft in ABZ already and an extra one in INV. However they have a flight from Bristol in the morning that looks like it will do the Monday flight to Esjberg this week. For the rest of the week the one aircraft will cover both routes as Oslo is later in the day.
I wonder if the aircraft at INV will reposition to Bristol today or if they have another ready to release.
Edit: They have an 1805 from ABZ to Bristol tonight so could use the spare one from INV tomorrow.

willy wombat 3rd Mar 2019 12:20

Did DAT start Esjberg-Aberdeen?

willy wombat 3rd Mar 2019 12:23

Just answered my own question by looking at the ABZ thread. Will be interested to see who comes out on top.

Rob Royston 3rd Mar 2019 16:23


Originally Posted by willy wombat (Post 10405696)
Just answered my own question by looking at the ABZ thread. Will be interested to see who comes out on top.

Loganair are also up against SAS on the Oslo route. It's a hard game.

TartinTon 3rd Mar 2019 19:59


Originally Posted by Rob Royston (Post 10405876)
Loganair are also up against SAS on the Oslo route. It's a hard game.

As were bmi...the DAT operation on EBJ is new

Mooncrest 4th Mar 2019 09:56

Time for Loganair to set up a subsidiary company using aircraft chartered from the parent. It can be called 'British Midland Airways'.

Rob Royston 4th Mar 2019 10:50


Originally Posted by Rob Royston (Post 10405677)
I'm sure they will need a few more transferred as required.
Tomorrow they start Esjberg and Oslo from ABZ. They have one aircraft in ABZ already and an extra one in INV. However they have a flight from Bristol in the morning that looks like it will do the Monday flight to Esjberg this week. For the rest of the week the one aircraft will cover both routes as Oslo is later in the day.
I wonder if the aircraft at INV will reposition to Bristol today or if they have another ready to release.
Edit: They have an 1805 from ABZ to Bristol tonight so could use the spare one from INV tomorrow.

I got that wrong, they are using the Norwich aircraft for EBJ on Mondays. The one that overnights at Bristol on Sunday night comes up to ABZ and then does Oslo. It appears that there is a spare aircraft at INV for now.

BAladdy 4th Mar 2019 10:55

Does anyone know of LM are going to continue to operate the Airbus corporate shuttle flights beyond the end of March. If they are does this contract require 2 aircraft to operate it or can it be operated by 1 aircraft

Originally Posted by Rob Royston (Post 10406440)
I got that wrong, they are using the Norwich aircraft for EBJ on Mondays. The one that overnights at Bristol on Sunday night comes up to ABZ and then does Oslo. It appears that there is a spare aircraft at INV for now.

BM used to use the aircraft leased to T3 for the NWI service to operate there EBJ service. The current lease to T3 is ending at the end of March.






BAladdy 4th Mar 2019 17:52

Are the crews used to operate LM’s aircraft that nightstop at DND, EDI, KOI and LSI based at these stations?

Also does anyone know if LM went through with the recruitment of crews for Carlisle last year when the routes were announced the first time round?. What happend to the if they were recruited?. Where they put on hold?.

rhutch28 9th Mar 2019 22:36

Looks like another 3 ex BMI ERJ145 have transfered to Loganair now
G-EMBI now reg. G-SAJG
G-EMBJ now reg. G-SAJH
G-EMBN now reg. G-SAJI


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