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HZ123 16th Apr 2020 15:52

One large Business class or Club class perhaps? However, how does that prevent you social distancing when boarding, disembarking, aircraft toilet use, security clearance, interaction with the crew plus numerous other situations. The risks are endless and 99 pence fares may not work very well either as I guess that travel insurance will be at an all time high for the foreseeable future. My Dad always wanted me to be a lawyer, plenty of future earnings for them. Besides those fortunate enough to be in full time employment and with funds to spend may have other priorities than Loco flying!

scr1 16th Apr 2020 15:58

So if you are a couple with one child can you use the middle seat for the child or do you have to separate family's who live together????

LTNman 16th Apr 2020 16:46

Get on a bus to a remote stand and social distancing goes out of the window with the passenger losing all control of the situation if they are the first to board. Also who wants to sit in an aisle seat with someone huffing and puffing while putting an oversized bag into an overhead locker.

Lets face a few facts. Travelling in an aircraft will be a dangerous occupation as there is more to flying than just the seat the passenger will sit in. Who is to say what will happen in foreign lands even if the UK keeps to some sort of standard.

Douglas Bahada 16th Apr 2020 17:03

Stelios Statement on the easyJet/Airbus scandal 16April 2019 at 12.12h BST

More always on www.easy.com

Commenting on the easyJet 2020 H1 trading update released on the 16April 2020 , the airline’s founder and largest shareholder Sir Stelios Haji-Ioannou said:
I have previously referred those in charge of easyJet as scoundrels. This remains my view. They made a
deliberate mistake in affirming the contract between easyJet and Airbus worth at least £4.5 billion whilst
easyJet has a grounded fleet of 337 Airbus aircraft. Instead of serving a notice of termination to Airbus to
cancel the contract they have deliberately chosen to send at least £2.5bn of our cash to Airbus in the years
2020-22. At least £1.5 billion of our cash (of the £2.5bn) is shown as going to Airbus in the next 9 months whilst the fleet could remain grounded.

In 9 months from now, or say December 2020, even the scoundrels admit that the company will run out of
money. What the scoundrels are not telling us at all is how much money the company will burn each week after the resumption of flying which will be well in excess of the £40m per week that they state that they burn whilst the fleet is grounded.
Flying half empty planes will be heavily loss making. That £40m per week of cash burn is before the payments to Airbus. The scoundrels at easyJet are now also planning to keep the number of aircraft in the fleet around the same level as now at 337 Airbus aircraft over the next 18 months. So they will
clearly burn a lot more of our cash in 2021. There is no way the demand for passenger flying in 2021 will be
the same as 2019.

UK taxpayers should be really worried now that they will not see any of their money back in March 2021.
Holders of easyJet ticket vouchers for future flying should also be worried that they may never get to use
them next year and will not see their money back because the scoundrels are sending £1.5bn to Airbus.
As a result of this deliberate mistake to affirm the Airbus contract, I will call for the removal as directors of two more of the scoundrels in addition to the other two from earlier requests.

So now I will call for the removal as directors of:
The CEO Johan Lundgren for sending £1.5 bn of our money to Airbus whilst running an “aircraft parking lot”
for 9 months.The Chairman John Barton for refusing to instigate an independent inquiry to investigate if the Airbus bribery techniques exposed by the UK court judgement on the 31st of January 2020 have been used in securing the easyJet order by Airbus.

If I succeed in removing the 4 directors at the forthcoming meetings, I expect the rest of the board (7 of them left) to promote the COO to acting CEO to run the “aircraft parking lot” and to serve notice of
termination to Airbus. Any attempt to operate a fleet of more than 250 aircraft (down from 337 now) is
bound to just burn a shed load of cash in 2021. I hope the remaining scoundrels will follow that fleet plan
and cancel the order for new useless Airbus aircraft that will lose a lot of money.

End

Mr A Tis 16th Apr 2020 18:49

Apart from the half baked seating plan, will they stop herding & cramming 150 passengers in a small pen at the boarding gate, sometimes, up to an hour before actual departure, usually when the aircraft hasn't even arrived, just so they can tick a box and say boarded on time?

LBAflyer22 16th Apr 2020 19:20

So let me get this right.

He happily takes £60 million pound divided payout for the hard work the board put in for the previous year. But WONT pay it back into the company but then has the audacity to moan about how the company is run. He refers them to scoundrels. Should really take a long hard look in the mirror. He would find an arrogant fat pig staring back.

Why not let the board do what they know best? They clearly know what they are doing due to the £60million pound dividend he recently got paid. I personally if Chancellor would rescind the payment they've received and tell easyJet to get there in-house domestic problem in order.

For the record i don't work for easyJet.

Douglas Bahada 16th Apr 2020 21:02

Sort of lose respect when terms like scoundrel are used.

adfly 16th Apr 2020 21:41

What an absolute t:mad:sser. My apologies for not having anything productive to add to this post.

LTNman 17th Apr 2020 19:40

Fleet reduction

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhor.../#7a778ec32edb

EI-BUD 18th Apr 2020 06:48

If you can put aside the language and attacks on the board and personalities within and consider his objective.
There is no certainty about anything right now. They certainly need to take whatever extreme action right now to preserve cash. They need the cash more than new planes now or st least until 2022.

Ironically, Ryanair doesn't have this capital expenditure drain due the the Max issue,but be sure if Ryanair did have, MOL would quietly be renegotiating or doing whatever he needed to do preserve cash at this stage.

Given its pan European operation easyJet might struggle to the support it needs if the faces cash flow problems. However, might be better to make Airbus wait and recommence deliveries and payments in.2021/2. Airbus will not be allowed to fail.

​​​​​​On the subject of bonuses etc. Okay doesn't look good but the scale of that cost is a drop in the ocean compared to the cash demands that lay ahead.

davidjohnson6 23rd Apr 2020 15:09

Not sure if I'm part of a trial set of customers or if this has been rolled out to everyone, but Easyjet seem to have decided that it's worth trying to bribe people with extra vouchers to accept an additional £10 voucher instead of a cash refund or a free change to a flight on *any* route on *any* date in the future
I think this is a good move - possibly even too generous - and will stop defuse many of the complaints about refunds not being provided

OzzyOzBorn 23rd Apr 2020 16:38

I accepted an Aer Lingus voucher on a similar basis re extra value. It does have an expiry date, but I travel to Dublin regularly.

I have EasyJet cancellations in the pipeline. If they offer me that deal I'll be happy to accept. The open date thing is far more important to me than the value hike. It can't expire on me! And I'll definitely fly again when allowed to do so.

The only concerns with schemes of this type are whether you'd have any cover if the airline concerned ceased trading. And with a foreign airline (eg. my own booking with Air Baltic) if the carrier cancels plans to launch the new route you had been booked to fly on. Don't want a voucher for a carrier which no longer serves your route of choice.

wub 23rd Apr 2020 18:11


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10760492)
Not sure if I'm part of a trial set of customers or if this has been rolled out to everyone, but Easyjet seem to have decided that it's worth trying to bribe people with extra vouchers to accept an additional £10 voucher instead of a cash refund or a free change to a flight on *any* route on *any* date in the future
I think this is a good move - possibly even too generous - and will stop defuse many of the complaints about refunds not being provided

The vouchers are only valid for 12 months, I had the same offer.

OzzyOzBorn 23rd Apr 2020 18:18

Hmmm ... These airlines need to consider 12 months (or longer) from the date HMG releases us from lockdown rather than 12 months from booked travel date. The validity duration implied could be very different.

wub 23rd Apr 2020 18:28


Originally Posted by OzzyOzBorn (Post 10760713)
Hmmm ... These airlines need to consider 12 months (or longer) from the date HMG releases us from lockdown rather than 12 months from booked travel date. The validity duration implied could be very different.

The other aspect is that the destination country may not be open for visitors.

Tonyq 23rd Apr 2020 19:52


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10760492)
Not sure if I'm part of a trial set of customers or if this has been rolled out to everyone, but Easyjet seem to have decided that it's worth trying to bribe people with extra vouchers to accept an additional £10 voucher instead of a cash refund or a free change to a flight on *any* route on *any* date in the future
I think this is a good move - possibly even too generous - and will stop defuse many of the complaints about refunds not being provided

I got the same offer today, for a flight on 2nd May (nine days away). There is no cash refund option. However, if I dig around on the website, it seems that sevens days before departure, I can request a cash refund. There's clearly a lot of sleight of hand going on here, making people think they can't request cash.

BTW, as they are, for their own convenience, cancelling flights less than 14 days before departure, should EU261 rules apply?

davidjohnson6 23rd Apr 2020 19:55

Covid is outside an airline's control, so EU261 doesn't apply

CEJM 24th Apr 2020 07:01


Originally Posted by Tonyq (Post 10760789)
There is no cash refund option. However, if I dig around on the website, it seems that sevens days before departure, I can request a cash refund. There's clearly a lot of sleight of hand going on here, making people think they can't request cash.

You must be flying with a different easyJet then me. Cash refund is clearly available on the website. I just requested 4 refunds for flights departing between 6 days and 18 days away. So no sleight of hand going on, you just need to do your research better.

I will help you on your way. It is all in the Covid 19 Help hub to which a link is clearly displayed on the easyJet website. “The fastest way to find out your travel options COVID 19 Help hub”.


Mr A Tis 24th Apr 2020 07:46


Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 (Post 10760791)
Covid is outside an airline's control, so EU261 doesn't apply

That is not entirely correct.
Yes, the EU commission have made it clear that Compensation does not apply as Covid is outside the airlines control.
However,
If the airline cancels the flight, passengers are entitled to a full cash refund if that is requested.

3.2. Right to reimbursement or re-routing

In the case of a flight cancellation by the airlines (no matter what the cause is), Article 5 obliges the operating air carrier to offer the passengers the choice among:

a) reimbursement (refund);
b) re-routingattheearliestopportunity,or
c) re-routing at a later date at the passenger's convenience.

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites.../c20201830.pdf

Tonyq 24th Apr 2020 08:11


Originally Posted by CEJM (Post 10761190)
YCash refund is clearly available on the website. I just requested 4 refunds for flights departing between 6 days and 18 days away. So no sleight of hand going on, you just need to do your research better.

I will help you on your way. ”.

Thanks, but I don't need your help! You haven't told me anything I hadn't found for myself. (Although I'm not sure how you can request a refund 18 days out, as that isn't available via the CoVid Help pages)

But I still maintain they are trying to mislead the less aware traveller. Two days before they are going to formally cancel my flight, they sent an e-mail which offers me change options, or a voucher. I accept, that the change option could be good for some people, as there are no fees or fares differences. I suspect, at that point, many people will just take one of those options, not realising the refund option will open up later i.e. 7 days before departure. But you have to find that option for yourself.

When you enter the 'Covid-19 Help' pages, you have to negotiate your way through 5 mouse clicks and multiple choice pages, choosing the 'correct' option at each stage, before you find a page on which the word 'Refund' appears anywhere. Even then, it is in a size and font deliberately chosen so you might miss it.

https://www.easyjet.com/en/policy/co...ne-support/q13

I do understand they are desperate to retain cash, but this elaborate effort to conceal the Refund options, must be pretty close to an act of deception.






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