On the other hand, despite the competition from SOU, the BOH-GVA December pax figure of 4,441 was 8% up on 2016 and the second highest December figure on the route since it started in 2005, only surpassed by the 4,573 back in 2007.
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Interesting stats and quite possibly the demand is there for both routes. Lets see what numbers the core ski season brings!
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nutts mutts - are u sure about those stats re average per aircraft?
By my own estimates BOH-GVA was averaging 130 pax and SOU-GVA averaging under 100 after taking out Flybes SOU-GVA (assuming same as LY) even though some extra Flybe Saturday services were added. So if any consolidation happens it will be to BOH’s benefit not the other way around? |
SWBKCB it was reported in the media that Ryanair were carrying out a review of all their single aircraft bases. GLA apparently was a single base with the 2nd you mention being based at STN
However MarkEYD just pointed out that actually Ryanair seems to be adding to services especially to Palma in the Summer (two flights a day on some days) |
Nakata- I'm highly confident of the numbers on the SOU-GVA route, although I think Flybe actually did better in terms of numbers than MarkeyD allowed for them, so in that case the EZY numbers will be slightly lower. My own figure for EZY SOU was an average of 124 pax per flight.
As for BOH, the service started on the 9th December and operated Thurs-Mon with two flights on Saturdays. That gave 21 departures (I counted Xmas day but I don't know for certain if flights operated that day). Double it gives the actual number of flights including the inbound legs, so 42 flights in the month. Total pax figure 4441 from CAA stats, divided by 42 gives 105.73 rounded up to 106 average per flight. It's not a willy waving competition, I just find that SOU attracts a lot of negativity on here and ever since the EZY route from there was announced there have been a lot of comments about how the route didn't appear to be doing well, so as a SOU fan I'm happy to see that the first month doesn't seem to have been the total disaster that some may have foreseen. I'm happy to see the BOH figures doing well compared to previous years in spite of the competition up the road, and I think there's a big enough market for both airports. For me the issue is stopping the leakage of pax to London from both south coast airports, there's a large market here waiting to be served correctly. |
Nuts mutts - I believe the actual number of flights from BOH in Dec was 17 (34 returns) because although first flight was 9th (one flight) they didn’t operate the following Tuesday and Thursday only Friday 15th
SOU possibly gets negative reviews on here because this is the BOH thread (?) |
Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 10067776)
How likely is BOH to survive this ‘review’ then of single aircraft bases?
Ryanair's decision to close Glasgow and move the aircraft to Edinburgh was influenced by the fact that Ryanair's fares (and thus yield) were much lower on their routes from Glasgow than from Edinburgh. When comparing the fares on Ryanair's 10 routes from Bournemouth with the corresponding routes from other UK airports, the picture is rather bleak. The most important point to note is that it is considerably cheaper to fly Ryanair from Bournemouth than from one of Ryanair's other South West airports (BRS and NQY). From NQY, Ryanair fly to only two destinations that are also served from BOH (ALC and FAO), but fares are on average 39% higher from NQY than from BOH. Ryanair serves 9 of the 10 BOH routes from BRS, and fares are 18% more higher from BRS than from BOH. This shows that Ryanair are being forced to keep their BOH fares low in order to create demand, thus putting the airport in the exact same position as GLA. What is more worrying is that Ryanair face a lot less competition on their BOH routes than from BRS, meaning there doesn't seem to be enough high yield demand from BOH. However, there are some positives from the figures. 6 of the 10 destinations are operated using the single BOH based aircraft. Assuming an average load factor, the four routes with the highest yield are operated by the BOH aircraft, and the worst performers are operated by away-based aircraft. This suggests that while some routes (namely ALC, KRK and AGP) could be axed, it doesn't necessarily mean that the base will close completely. It all depends on whether Ryanair find it more beneficial to operate a small network of 5-6 routes from BOH, or to close the base and move all operations to BRS. |
Is this the same picture throughout the year? BOH is very seasonal
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 10068113)
Is this the same picture throughout the year? BOH is very seasonal
For winter season (6 routes), the picture is less bleak, but this is mainly fuelled by a large increase in fares on BOH-KRK and large fall in fares on BRS-KRK. Overall, flights from BRS are 5% more expensive, but the 5 sun routes average at 12% higher than from BOH. So essentially this means that while BOH performs relatively poorly compared with BRS and other UK Ryanair bases, the airport performs a little less poorly during the winter season. |
Correct me if I’m wrong but all Ryanair routes are to other (larger) bases than BOH, except MJV. Therefore RYR could (not saying should or will) close the base at BOH and maintain the same frequencies and destinations (just different schedule)
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Social media responses from the airport during the snow event have been non-existent, while many other airports including Bristol, Southampton and the London and Scottish ones have been truly fantastic keeping everyone up to date. Seriously NOT impressed with the new airport owners so far. No clue as to how important digital communication is in 2018.
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 10070306)
Social media responses from the airport during the snow event have been non-existent, while many other airports including Bristol, Southampton and the London and Scottish ones have been truly fantastic keeping everyone up to date. Seriously NOT impressed with the new airport owners so far. No clue as to how important digital communication is in 2018.
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Their website says airport is closed due to the weather- what else are they supposed to say?
Rigby haven’t completely taken over yet so early days.. |
Eghh 021220z 08010kt 8000 ovc014 m01/m03 q0989 snoclo 2018-03-02 12:20:00
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Passenger figures are finally out for December and I have included Jan as well
December 2017 saw 31 , 870 passengers exactly the same as the previous year ! Santa flights Enontekio 189 pax Enter Air B738 Kittila 186 pax TUI B738 Pajala 189 pax Enter Air B 738 Ivalao saw 2 flights by Small Planet A321 177 pax per flight ( was scheduled originally on a A320 , 180 seater ) Ryanair and TUI averaged mid 85 / 90 % loads except the Turin ski flights which was only about 60 % full Barbados went out full 299 pax on B 787 Geneva operated by Easy jet saw 18 flights start the Dec ski season with 4441 pax giving an average of 124 pax January 2018 31 , 379 passengers passed through the airport down 5 % , I think this was mainly down to 1 less Ryanair flight being operated , LPA being cut Ryanair and TUI saw flights averaging about 175 pax per flight except again the Turin ski flight that only saw about 123 pax per flight Easy Jet to Geneva saw 6094 use the flight averaging about 122 pax per flight The Southampton service saw 4697 pax to Geneva Flybe operated 12 flights , so giving them say an average 65 pax per flight that leaves Easy Jet with 13 flights operated and an average of 121 pax per flight |
12-month rolling total is 3.3% up at 692,000 (Feb'17-Jan'18)
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Paphos added twice weekly with Ryanair for W18
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Still seems to be based aircraft flying available for a Spanish-type sector length on days 2,3,4,6,7 for Winter 18. More to be announced?
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Summer '18 Summary
As usual, if anyone has more information on any one off charters etc then please let me know and I will update this post. TUI are identical to last year and some of Ryanair's seasonal increases have not carried across, so there is a couple of weekly flights less in the summer peak compared to last year.
Easyjet Geneva - 4 weekly 319 (until 21/04) Freebird Dalaman - 1 weekly 320 (for TUI) Ryanair - 1 738 based Alicante - 4 weekly Faro - 4 weekly Girona - 4 weekly Las Palmas - 1 weekly Krakow - 2 weekly Malaga - 6 weekly Malta - 2 weekly Murcia - 4 weekly Palma - 6-8 weekly Tenerife South - 1 weekly TUI - 1 738 Based Corfu - 1 weekly Ibiza - 1 weekly Lanzarote - 2 weekly Las Palmas - 1 weekly Mahon - 1 weekly Naples - 1 weekly Palma - 1-4 weekly Paphos - 1 weekly Rhodes - 1 weekly Tenerife South - 1-2 weekly Overall: 45-52 weekly departures 6-7 daily departures |
Originally Posted by adfly
(Post 10076289)
As usual, if anyone has more information on any one off charters etc then please let me know and I will update this post. TUI are identical to last year and some of Ryanair's seasonal increases have not carried across, so there is a couple of weekly flights less in the summer peak compared to last year.
Easyjet Geneva - 4 weekly 319 (until 21/04) Freebird Dalaman - 1 weekly 320 (for TUI) Ryanair - 1 738 based Alicante - 4 weekly Faro - 4 weekly Girona - 4 weekly Las Palmas - 1 weekly Krakow - 2 weekly Malaga - 6 weekly Malta - 2 weekly Murcia - 4 weekly Palma - 6-8 weekly Tenerife South - 1 weekly TUI - 1 738 Based Corfu - 1 weekly Ibiza - 1 weekly Lanzarote - 2 weekly Las Palmas - 1 weekly Mahon - 1 weekly Naples - 1 weekly Palma - 1-4 weekly Paphos - 1 weekly Rhodes - 1 weekly Tenerife South - 1-2 weekly Overall: 45-52 weekly departures 6-7 daily departures |
adfly you missed the new twice weekly Ryanair BOH-PFO flight just announced
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Originally Posted by shamrock7seal
(Post 10076465)
adfly you missed the new twice weekly Ryanair BOH-PFO flight just announced
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CAA stats for those that are interested for 2017
Bournemouth handled 694 , 660 passengers up 4 % on the previous year Top 10 routes were 1) Palma 95 , 093 2) Malaga 73 , 595 3) Faro 31 , 928 4) Alicante 53 , 697 5) Tenerife 45 , 403 6) Murcia 36 , 959 7) Lanzarote 36 , 879 8) Gerona 36 , 094 9) Las Palmas 36 , 024 10) Geneva 33 , 605 Apart from that nothing much to report . Seems to have gone very quiet since the take over from the Rigby group , perhaps they are scratching there heads as to what to do here !! There website is extremely poor with no social media activity at all now , least MAG had a page with good information The bus service stops on 6 April with no one mentioned as to taking it over yet Only good bit of news is the new Paphos route starting in Oct but it may come at the expense of the Krakow route which has been off sale now for 4 weeks , from 1st Feb 19 P & O have 3 new departures to Barbados at the end of 2019 / 20 |
@bohairport
[QUOTE=MARKEYD;10089223]CAA stats for those that are interested for 2017
There website is extremely poor with no social media activity at all now , Markey, the airport is active on Twitter @bohairport rather better than MAG's efforts in that regard FF |
Not really to be honest with you , have a look , just a few tweets since takeover back in December and a few more regarding the snow which seemed to be re hashed and driving the local users mad .....
Just think they have definitely taken there eye off the ball a bit No advertising about holidays , routes and selling the holidays on offer There isn’t even an airport travel agency dedicated like MAG had |
PFO and KRK
Markeyd, doubt it will come at the expense of KRK as they have shifted the timings of KRK to allow for the service to PFO on Monday and Fridays probably / hopefully just a time lag in releasing March 19
Wholeheartedly agree with you on the social media. Appalling. But then again Rigby is a real estate company and the owner is 80 plus. Probably not driving focus where it needs to be. Exeter and Norwich exactly the same. |
TUI Summer 2019
TUI have added Heraklion, Kefalonia and Antalya for Summer 2019
https://www.bournemouthairport.com/t...mouth-airport/ |
Thats fantastic news for Bournemouth with a good selection of new routes which have been needed for a long time now
If TUI keep to the same schedule of flights as in previous years and Bournemouth does not loose any at the expense of these new routes announced then this will take the summer flights back up to 2010 levels when Palmair also operated for the last year I am guessing that as the TUI aircraft is operating at full capacity from BOH then either they will be foreign based aircraft or TUI aircraft on a W pattern from other UK airports All will be revealed on the 5 April !!! |
Kefalonia has never been operated from BOH before has it? Antalya a welcome return given it operated with high volumes and load factors when Thomas Cook operated it with a 757in 2011. Heraklion also a welcome return that was operated for a number of years before.
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The press release says its additional and they are adding 25,000 seats to the BOH network.
Exeter gets 4 additional routes, Southampton appears to get none. |
Bournemouth handled 31 , 771 passengers in February - 5 % on last year
This can be put down to the loss of the Ryanair LPA route and the Geneva route with Easy jet was also slightly down Ryanair routes all performed really well and were in the 90 % loads while TUI were about 95 % loads except again Turin ski route which saw average loads of 135 pax use the service The Barbados route saw 291 passengers out and back on a TUI 787 for P&O cruises Easy jet saw 6779 passengers use the route down about 1000 to Southampton ? but still good loads as mostly the A319 was used , 141 pax averaged each flight Southampton saw 4512 passengers Flybe averaged for example 65 pax then Easy jet averaged 123 pax Flybe averaged for example 75 pax then Easy jet averaged 113 pax on a A320 , 186 seater |
Markeyd - why is the Turin flight doing so badly this year? Any ideas?
Year to date BOH still managed 690,000 March 2017 to February 2018... up 2% |
Exeter tui
Exeter only getting the same three as bourn not four
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Turin is actually one of the most established winter routes from Bournemouth
It started in Winter 1994 and Palmair Bae 146 300 operated the route on behalf of Crystal ski which in turn has operated ever since using a variety of airlines but now using a based TUI 738 Just looking back at the loads over the past few years and they all seem to be about the average 150 passenger per flight , its operating again next winter so Crystal ski can't be that worried about it . It probably needs a smaller aircraft really like a Boeing 733 ( Titan airways style !! ) Exeter is getting Zante , Antalya and Crete Bournemouth is getting Crete , Antalya and Kefalonia |
Exeter tui
Exeter is getting zante, crete, and antalya turkey only on airports website.
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD
(Post 10098775)
Turin is actually one of the most established winter routes from Bournemouth
It started in Winter 1994 and Palmair Bae 146 300 operated the route on behalf of Crystal ski which in turn has operated ever since using a variety of airlines but now using a based TUI 738 Just looking back at the loads over the past few years and they all seem to be about the average 150 passenger per flight , its operating again next winter so Crystal ski can't be that worried about it . It probably needs a smaller aircraft really like a Boeing 733 ( Titan airways style !! ) Exeter is getting Zante , Kefalonia and Crete |
TUI Schedule for Summer 19
Based aircraft Mon - MAH/LPA Tue - PMI/EFL Wed - IBZ/PFO Thu - PMI/ACE Fri - NAP/HER Sat - PMI/RHO Sun - PMI/ACE Additional flights Fri - CFU - W pattern, TFS operated by Air Europa, DLM - Other Carrier Sat - AYT - Other Carrier |
Originally Posted by LAX2000
(Post 10108160)
TUI Schedule for Summer 19
Based aircraft Mon - MAH/LPA Tue - PMI/EFL Wed - IBZ/PFO Thu - PMI/ACE Fri - NAP/HER Sat - PMI/RHO Sun - PMI/ACE Additional flights Fri - CFU - W pattern, TFS operated by Air Europa, DLM - Other Carrier Sat - AYT - Other Carrier |
Likely Dalaman and Antalya both on Freebird?
I heard that some TUI flights from Exeter are on Norwegian 737's |
The bus link to the town centre now seems to be a 24/7 service hourly
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