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virginblue 4th Mar 2020 20:14

BBC's Simon Jack tweeting that an annoucned should be expected 11 pm'ish after the last flight has landed. He also says:

Flybe do not base any aircraft outside UK overnight therefore limited expected role for CAA.
Not correct. There is at least one Q400 overnighting at DUS. It has landed about an hour ago. FWIW, two of the four MAN flights from there for tomorrow are already cancelled on the airport website.

virginblue 4th Mar 2020 20:16


Originally Posted by JSCL (Post 10702931)
I know for fact that one particular franchise operator already has their old system back operating in the background ready to flip over within 24hrs with new flight numbers if required.

Won't they face serious cash flow problems or are monies received by Flybe for flights of franchisees put in escrow?

Rivet Joint 4th Mar 2020 20:17

I wonder if this could end up to be a blessing in disguise. Allow someone to buy the profitable parts of BE from the administrators and come back as a leaner operation? It happens in the retail industry all the time. I suspect that the BE name would be tainted by now though. It would definitely be perfect timing for that long awaited Virgin Connect re-brand that seems to have been on ice..............

Fletch 4th Mar 2020 20:18


Originally Posted by Wycombe (Post 10702928)
All of Blue Islands scheduled flights rely on the Flybe website/booking engine, so seems serious for them also.

I'd be amazed if the franchise partners hadn't seen this coming and started to make plans. Also the longer term opportunities for them probably outweigh the short term pain.

JSCL 4th Mar 2020 20:18


Originally Posted by virginblue (Post 10702937)
Won't they face serious cash flow problems or are monies received by Flybe for flights of franchisees put in escrow?

Pass, I don't know that arrangement. But from experience, I imagine they'll be out of pocket for it.

Any prospect of 'rescuing' anything from administration in this industry is dilusional. That's not how this works, until the CAA changes thing. There is nothing to recover. All of Flybe's assets are debt secured and then you have all the aircraft on lease, there's literally nothing to recover. You might end up with a bunch of cheap leases for an existing operator to expand and grab the Dash8s... but the AOC will be gone and more.

fjencl 4th Mar 2020 20:20


Originally Posted by Fletch (Post 10702939)
I'd be amazed if the franchise partners hadn't seen this coming and started to make plans. Also the longer term opportunities for them probably outweigh the short term pain.

isnt it interesting that eastern airways has an embraer 170 and 3 190's coming, perhaps forward planning by them, who knows tho

BA318 4th Mar 2020 20:21


Originally Posted by fernlee (Post 10702900)
It’s very possible this is all about a admin mix up over fuel payments and people are putting two and two together getting seven .

It’s over. Give it up. Hopefully there will be new opportunities for you but such a blind and blinkered approach doesn’t do you any favours.

Flybe has been serially mismanaged by successive teams and now has billionaire owners who think its the taxpayers duty to bail them out.

let’s hope a leaner operation can come from the ashes and also help Loganair and others expand and thrive.

virginblue 4th Mar 2020 20:22

The E190 were - until now - earmarked for charter work.

SealinkBF 4th Mar 2020 20:22


Originally Posted by JSCL (Post 10702941)
Pass, I don't know that arrangement. But from experience, I imagine they'll be out of pocket for it.

Any prospect of 'rescuing' anything from administration in this industry is dilusional. That's not how this works, until the CAA changes thing. There is nothing to recover. All of Flybe's assets are debt secured and then you have all the aircraft on lease, there's literally nothing to recover. You might end up with a bunch of cheap leases for an existing operator to expand and grab the Dash8s... but the AOC will be gone and more.

Indeed. If they were withholding tax from the govt I would imagine franchise partners would also be waiting for their cash... And it is terrifically sad but this could be the making of Loganair...

garry8g 4th Mar 2020 20:22

on Twitter it is being said that the aircraft at MAN are not being impounded & blocked in by vehicles, so they can't move.

Richard Taylor 4th Mar 2020 20:24


Originally Posted by garry8g (Post 10702954)
on Twitter it is being said that the aircraft at MAN are not being impounded & blocked in by vehicles, so they can't move.

NOT being impounded, or NOW being impounded?

anthbower1234 4th Mar 2020 20:25

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f10d326ffa.jpg

garry8g 4th Mar 2020 20:26


Originally Posted by Richard Taylor (Post 10702957)
NOT being impounded, or NOW being impounded?

Sorry....NOW

Richard Taylor 4th Mar 2020 20:27

Looks like another vehicle blocking the Flybe next door.

Cheers for clarifying Garry. Was just the end of the sentence and comma made me wonder.

virginblue 4th Mar 2020 20:27


Originally Posted by SealinkBF (Post 10702952)
Indeed. If they were withholding tax from the govt I would imagine franchise partners would also be waiting for their cash...

Hence my asking if those monies are put in escrow so that Flybe's creditors cannot get hold of them. Would be a sensible set-up at any time.


garry8g 4th Mar 2020 20:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51746564

awwdabaaby 4th Mar 2020 20:30

From the impoundment notice on Twitter

Detention under section ** of the Civil Aviation Authority Act 1982

Dear Sir,

Default has been made in the payment of airport charges incurred in respect of aircraft registration (s) G-JECP.

Glasgow Airport Ltd hereby give you notice that in exercise of its right of detention under Section ** Civil Aviation Authority Act 1982, aircraft registration (s) G-JECP is/are detained at Glasgow Airport and is/are not to be removed from the airport until the charges outstanding to Glasgow Airport incurred in respect of this aircraft and all other aircraft which your company is the operator at the time that the detention began have been settled.

This notice is hereby give to FLYBE Ltd and any subsidiary and associated companies which are affected by the detention hereby exercised.

Yours Sincerely

Lynn Lindsay Airport Duty Manager

4/3/20 19:51

RoyHudd 4th Mar 2020 20:34

Very sad
 
FlyBe have gone. Unfortunate employees and suppliers will now struggle. Aviation is such a hard industry.

Chidken Sangwich 4th Mar 2020 20:34


Originally Posted by awwdabaaby (Post 10702968)
From the impoundment notice on Twitter

Detention under section ** of the Civil Aviation Authority Act 1982

Dear Sir,

Default has been made in the payment of airport charges incurred in respect of aircraft registration (s) G-JECP.

Glasgow Airport Ltd hereby give you notice that in exercise of its right of detention under Section ** Civil Aviation Authority Act 1982, aircraft registration (s) G-JECP is/are detained at Glasgow Airport and is/are not to be removed from the airport until the charges outstanding to Glasgow Airport incurred in respect of this aircraft and all other aircraft which your company is the operator at the time that the detention began have been settled.

This notice is hereby give to FLYBE Ltd and any subsidiary and associated companies which are affected by the detention hereby exercised.

Yours Sincerely

Lynn Lindsay Airport Duty Manager

4/3/20 19:51

All that means is that GLA have thrown their toys out over unpaid fees incurred by that Aircraft.

Now if there was a Eurocontrol lien alongside it then that would possibly be terminal.

fjencl 4th Mar 2020 20:37


Originally Posted by Chidken Sangwich (Post 10702978)
All that means is that GLA have thrown their toys out over unpaid fees incurred by that Aircraft.

Now if there was a Eurocontrol lien alongside it then that would possibly be terminal.

Wake up and smell the coffee


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