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Originally Posted by lfc84
(Post 10190460)
or 15 minutes late for check in or the gate ?
that's what really annoys me is the double standards ! late is late (not being within 15 minutes) or padding out the schedule for that matter ! Likewise at the gate if the flight waited for everyone that was 15 mins late the doors couldn’t be closed up, pushback clearance request would be delayed and then your flight wouldn’t get away on time anyway. Passengers are actually in my opinion becoming more and more demanding with very little awareness or consideration to how challenging it is to fly a plane now a days. Not just cost, but it’s so heavily congested now if not on the ground in the air. It is hard to employ people who want to work in the airport. Pressure for on time performance is immense because of compensation culture. Countries around the UK strike whenever they feel like it with France continuing to be the worse. Technical issues happen when aircraft are flown like a bus service - short flights with maybe 5-10 landings or takes offs will ultimately be prone to more potential for tech issues compared to a plane that takes off just twice in a day. All the mechanical movements that take place etc. If you drive your car around the city all day long changing gear, slowing down, speeding up, turning many corners etc your car will have more natural wear and tear vs doing a single 3 hour motorway trip in a straight line at a more regular speed. Its a debate that will never be agreed because of expectations and compensation. I blame low cost airlines and the USA compensation culture for it. Long delays happen and it’s tough, we need to get over ourselves when there are more serious things going on in the world. However what is so important and I fully agree is that how they are handled is key. 15 minute delay though, I wouldn’t even care or probably notice. 35 minute delay if it is acknowledged with a reason then I wouldn’t care. I plan my travel with buffers even when on business to account for these sort of things. Have flown for so many years and so many times I am just not bothered by it anymore. |
Originally Posted by Cloud1
(Post 10190638)
I get your point and occasionally there is flexibility with checkin - especially if hand baggage only depending on when checkin closes. Flybe check in closes -20 min for hand baggage only so if you were 15 mins late the flight isn’t going on time giving everyone else reason to moan. Likewise at the gate if the flight waited for everyone that was 15 mins late the doors couldn’t be closed up, pushback clearance request would be delayed and then your flight wouldn’t get away on time anyway. Passengers are actually in my opinion becoming more and more demanding with very little awareness or consideration to how challenging it is to fly a plane now a days. Not just cost, but it’s so heavily congested now if not on the ground in the air. It is hard to employ people who want to work in the airport. Pressure for on time performance is immense because of compensation culture. Countries around the UK strike whenever they feel like it with France continuing to be the worse. Technical issues happen when aircraft are flown like a bus service - short flights with maybe 5-10 landings or takes offs will ultimately be prone to more potential for tech issues compared to a plane that takes off just twice in a day. All the mechanical movements that take place etc. If you drive your car around the city all day long changing gear, slowing down, speeding up, turning many corners etc your car will have more natural wear and tear vs doing a single 3 hour motorway trip in a straight line at a more regular speed. Its a debate that will never be agreed because of expectations and compensation. I blame low cost airlines and the USA compensation culture for it. Long delays happen and it’s tough, we need to get over ourselves when there are more serious things going on in the world. However what is so important and I fully agree is that how they are handled is key. 15 minute delay though, I wouldn’t even care or probably notice. 35 minute delay if it is acknowledged with a reason then I wouldn’t care. I plan my travel with buffers even when on business to account for these sort of things. Have flown for so many years and so many times I am just not bothered by it anymore. I despair of people who whinge because on minor delays on rail or air travel. When I get into my car to make the journey from Nottingham to Birmingham I can't guarantee whether that journey is going to take one hour or 2 hours, or anywhere in between, yet nobody (yet) is suggesting that the organisation responsible for the roads, or the person responsible for an accident that results in my delay pays me compensation, and I don't expect compensation from the car manufacturer if I have a breakdown. Yet the circumstances under which compensation can be wrung from airlines (or rail operators) appears to take no account of the law the "sh1t happens". The problem today is too many non-win no-fee lawyers, and too many keyboard warriors. |
The problem today is too many non-win no-fee lawyers, and too many keyboard warriors. As for the keyboard warriors....... |
Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 10190818)
The compensation culture in this case has less to do with the USA and more to do with the daftly drafted and enforced EU261 rules. The compensation should be amount to the cost of the flight, no more, and no less. As it is someone booked a promotional fare can easily make a large profit out of a 3 hour delay, which taking recompense a step too far.
I despair of people who whinge because on minor delays on rail or air travel. When I get into my car to make the journey from Nottingham to Birmingham I can't guarantee whether that journey is going to take one hour or 2 hours, or anywhere in between, yet nobody (yet) is suggesting that the organisation responsible for the roads, or the person responsible for an accident that results in my delay pays me compensation, and I don't expect compensation from the car manufacturer if I have a breakdown. Yet the circumstances under which compensation can be wrung from airlines (or rail operators) appears to take no account of the law the "sh1t happens". The problem today is too many non-win no-fee lawyers, and too many keyboard warriors. I was given a Flybe GBP250 credit for a delayed GBP20.00 flight, and admittedly, two flight were cancelled and I was deposited at a different London airport. Still, it wasn't a total inconvenience really and the compensation was insane. Mind you, C2C trains offer 'Delay Repay' after a two minute delay... |
I see last flight LUX-MAN this year is 26Oct.
any info on possible winter schedule? looking for a flight back 28Oct. cheers. |
I see Flybe have released phase 1 of their summer 2019 timetable details on their website, It wont let me paste the link though.
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This week has seen Flybe's Chief Operating Officer and Chief Strategy Officer both announce their departure. Management churn continues...
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
(Post 10206194)
I see Flybe have released phase 1 of their summer 2019 timetable details on their website, It wont let me paste the link though.
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With fewer aircraft on the campus next summer consolidation is best guess across the estate. Add in demands for resources in restoring IOM to in house and what would you expect ? Deck chairs repositioned etc.... |
G-JECP
After its landing incident at Schipol in February 2017, when serious damage was sustained, DHC -8-400 G-JECP has finally been repaired and has taken to the air again - 17 months later. The aircraft is to be resprayed into the "new" livery before returning to service. |
17 months ? Really ? Why so long ?
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Do we know why the E75's have not been re-branded purple? looks like the vast majority of Q400's are now complete!
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Originally Posted by stewyb
(Post 10209881)
Do we know why the E75's have not been re-branded purple? looks like the vast majority of Q400's are now complete!
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
(Post 10190818)
Yet the circumstances under which compensation can be wrung from airlines (or rail operators) appears to take no account of the law the "sh1t happens".
The difference between you driving to Birmingham is that you haven't entered into a contract of conveyance with anyone. Not Volvo or their suppliers, Highways England, Esso.. But when I hand money to an airline they are contractually OBLIGED to convey me in some manner consistent with the advertised timings or to pay compensation. Not just for the cost of the ticket but also for the time lost in waiting for the airline to uphold their end of the deal. Airlines are not our friends, they are avaricious businesses that will screw us over in an instant if it makes them a dollar more. Why defend them when the tables are turned? |
Originally Posted by El Bunto
(Post 10210723)
There are plenty of escape clauses for airlines. But the vast majority of cases in which compensation is paid are as a result of events that were entirely forseeable or statistically predictable, but for which the airline decided not to implement contingency plans.
The difference between you driving to Birmingham is that you haven't entered into a contract of conveyance with anyone. Not Volvo or their suppliers, Highways England, Esso.. But when I hand money to an airline they are contractually OBLIGED to convey me in some manner consistent with the advertised timings or to pay compensation. Not just for the cost of the ticket but also for the time lost in waiting for the airline to uphold their end of the deal. Airlines are not our friends, they are avaricious businesses that will screw us over in an instant if it makes them a dollar more. Why defend them when the tables are turned? I know that I am being more than a little obtuse but the intolerance of people using using air and rail companies, and often unrealistic expectations of punctuality are tipping the balance too far in favour of the customer. Perhaps post Brexit the UK government may alter the EU261 rules, at least to limit compensation to the total cost of the ticket, including fees and taxes. |
Apologies if this is old news but Flybe planning to reduce its fleet from 85 to 70 aircraft, phase out its E195s by 2020 and utilise the E175 on busier/longer routes. They will still receive 4 of the more efficient newer E175 in 2019
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Originally Posted by rob39
(Post 10220284)
Apologies if this is old news but Flybe planning to reduce its fleet from 85 to 70 aircraft, phase out its E195s by 2020 and utilise the E175 on busier/longer routes. They will still receive 4 of the more efficient newer E175 in 2019
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10220298)
It will be interesting to see if once the E195s leave the fleet whether they keep operating the sun routes from SOU, EXT and NWI.
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I guess it largely depends whether the airports involved are prepared to extend the "Project Blackbird" agreement.
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