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Navpi 31st Jan 2018 16:50


Originally Posted by daz211 (Post 10037539)
I wouldn’t say they have hung Birmingham out to dry.
If you look at the bigger picture and from a business point of view London and Paris would have a better chance than Birmingham for passengers booking return flights from Newyork Boston and Toronto and if we are all totally honest and unbiased we would all agree London and Paris would and should be seen as having a better chance of serving over Birmingham.

True but is this not a failing of market research?
I'm sure Skip could provide some analysis of how these things work but the whole premise just seems odd.

They must surely have had some data to support BOS?

And what of Newark starting daily but then reverting to 4 per week.

Lo Cos are notorious for bending to the best market conditions but these acute changes just seems a wee bit haphazard.

eggc 31st Jan 2018 18:55

any news is good news, right ?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...ngham-14215588

BDS10 31st Jan 2018 19:39


Originally Posted by eggc (Post 10037787)

I don't see the point of your post, the link has already been posted a couple of days ago.

eggc 31st Jan 2018 19:45

Well pardon me for not spotting it :(

Mixed opinion here, the article wont inspire some, but on the other hand some positives reported on remaining routes. I dont think there is as much doom with these people as I read here, hope not to be proven wrong !

Plane.Silly 1st Feb 2018 06:32


The way people are talking on here you would think that Primark Airlines have given up on BHX completely.
Primark Airlines? i know they're a LCC, but no need to kick them when they're down

crewmeal 1st Feb 2018 07:10

Lol!! I wondered when someone might pick up on that. Primark and Primera are both in the low cost market with the former doing quite well. I sincerely hope the latter will do equally well, but as stated numerous times they've got off to a bad start at BHX.

ATNotts 1st Feb 2018 07:38


True but is this not a failing of market research?
Very possibly, but if you ask people how likely they might be to travel to a particular destination in the next year, the answers available would be something like "very likely", "likely", "neither likely or unlikely", "unlikely" or "very unlikely". Asked in that order the bias is proven to be towards the "likely" end of the spectrum. Asked in reverse order, there will be a greater tendency towards unlikely. Point being that market research isn't necessarily a great tool to use in isolation. Neither, for that matter is social media.

I think if I was trying to flog Boston I'd have been inclined to sign up a package operator, or offer my own packages to the New England area, especially so for the autumn season to help bolster sales as the summer season falls away.

It may well be that Primera will try again in 2019, when they've got a year under their belts, and a fleet that is delivered and working. With the benefit of market experience they may then stand a better chance of making BOS work. Of course it's not just about making BOS work from UK, it's about making Central England work from Boston - probably a harder task.

chaps1954 1st Feb 2018 07:50

Especially when you have 2 established and well known operators up the road and also
down south with numerous flights

FQTLSteve 1st Feb 2018 08:10

BHX and Primera should emphasise the central England location of the airport and it's excellent motorway and mainline train connections and for those who have early late start/end an excellent range of airport hotels, which must be amongst the highest number outside of LHR/LGW. It's catchment area is potentially very large, but more needs to be done to promote that imho.

daz211 1st Feb 2018 08:18

Things can’t be as bad as people are thinking Primera Air have this morning announces a new route from London to Washington DC.

FQTLSteve 1st Feb 2018 08:37

Using the BHX-BOS aircraft I presume?

daz211 1st Feb 2018 08:40

Possibly wasn’t Boston 4x weekly Washington is 5x weekly also a Saturday Palma added from Stansted in July.

Stansted Toronto increased to 5x weekly from August 23rd.

ATNotts 1st Feb 2018 08:52


Originally Posted by FQTLSteve (Post 10038329)
Using the BHX-BOS aircraft I presume?

Presumably, but BOS didn't provide a quick enough uptake, Washington could just as easily be killed off if it doesn't sell well enough soon enough. Of course any route to a London airport is going to have a better potential since your average American doesn't know where anywhere else in the UK there is, nor what they can do when the get there. That is the fault of an over London centric tourism promotion industry primarily, and an abysmal American education system, where geography is concerned!!

chaps1954 1st Feb 2018 09:38

Yes Birmingham Alabama and Manchester New Hampshire lol!

pabely 1st Feb 2018 11:32

Isn't London in Ihio and Paris in Texas? Or for those with USA passports, another Island off Long Island NY! :}

chaps1954 1st Feb 2018 11:38

Stockport Ohio, Yeah there there had to be one

OltonPete 2nd Feb 2018 18:47

Rome
 
Quite interesting that Champions League matches and Commonwealth Games can create speculation about extra flights which might or might not happen then you get a moderately interesting rugby match albeit in a wonderful city attract 5 charters and bring forward a new service by a couple of weeks.

Small Planet (A321)
Titan (A320)
TUI (UK) - 738
Jet2 x 2 738 & 757 (well 2 x 757's as one went tech)

All to Rome and then the new schedule (which is probably the most important aspect) LS1227/8 which was due to start half term operated today so just the six flights.

I do realise Italy v England is one of the easier 6 Nations games to get a ticket mixed in with a cracking city to visit but welcome passengers for BHX.

Navpi 3rd Feb 2018 15:11

Is Birmingham perhaps paying the price for increased charges with United, Icelandair, and Air Transat pulling out ?

Maybe the Primera loads were good but grounded by more acute fees compared to STN.

Is it possiblly tied in with the runway extention that will have to be paid for ?

SWBKCB 3rd Feb 2018 16:25

So why just BOS? Presumably there would be some sort of start up deal on fees anyway. Sure the airline said pax demand... :suspect:

TartinTon 3rd Feb 2018 16:45

You know for a fact that BHX was charging so much more than STN? My experiences with BHX are that they would happily incentivise to expand their longhaul offering. MAG group of course are still having to find a way to profitably grow STN after massively overpaying for it.


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