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Curious Pax 23rd Mar 2018 22:36


Originally Posted by Baltic Skies (Post 10094531)
I will not be paying to be dropped off for a flight at Man.
It's off to EMA for short trips and a train to LHR for longhaul.

Youíll be paying to be dropped off for a flight from EMA then! Rapid drop-off: £2.00 for 10 minutes and £1.00 for every minute thereafter according to their website.

Skipness One Echo 24th Mar 2018 01:08


So, all of those charges at nearly £25 just to make the Airport experience bearable. When plenty of other airports manage to provide said services for free, including ones with large low cost pre
Good point BUT at "expensive" airports like LGW and LHR, that is factored into what they charge the airlines, it's in your ticket price. So when airports like EDI for example go for broke in getting new operators in, they give the airlines a cut price deal and worry about how they'll get the revenue back later. This is the result, you generally get what you pay for, except when you pay a lot of money for your ticket and you still have to pony up for all the "extras".

I typed that as extras, but they're BASICS (!)

PDXCWL45 24th Mar 2018 05:51


Originally Posted by Baltic Skies (Post 10094531)
I will not be paying to be dropped off for a flight at Man.
It's off to EMA for short trips and a train to LHR for longhaul.

Can't you catch the train to MAN?

bycrewlgw 24th Mar 2018 05:51


Originally Posted by canberra97 (Post 10094553)
What an absolutely ridiculous statement it's beyond me how stupid that sounds!

Or you could get the train to MAN?? Just a thought...

Curious Pax 25th Mar 2018 13:36

Seen elsewhere that the US preclearance plan for MAN has been abandoned as too costly. Anyone able to confirm?

Navpi 25th Mar 2018 14:25


Originally Posted by Curious Pax (Post 10096465)
Seen elsewhere that the US preclearance plan for MAN has been abandoned as too costly. Anyone able to confirm?

If true it could possibly construed as a total lack of ambition.

At least there is a regular and very porous shuttle to Dublin :)

LAX_LHR 25th Mar 2018 14:36

Here we go again with VLM......

VO121 ANR 0730 MAN 0825
VO124 MAN 1330 ANR 1615
Daily Ex-Sun

VO127 ANR 1655 MAN 1750
VO128 MAN 1825 MAN 2110
Daily Ex-Sat

VO222 MAN 0905 OST 1150
VO223 OST 1210 MAN 1300
Daily Ex-Sun (operates a W pattern between VG121/124)

All F50

Dairyground 25th Mar 2018 20:17

I'll consider pick up or drop off at Heald Green railway station and the train from there.

Nomoresteerage 25th Mar 2018 20:57


Originally Posted by azz767 (Post 10093908)
What does that leave the VS schedule looking like at peak times then now? 3x 744 (2x MCO 1xJFK) and 2x A332 (1x ATL 1x BOS/SFO)?



I would hope the 747 to JFK will have more Upper Class than the beach fleet otherwise the high yield passengers could bleed via London or Dublin.

Rutan16 25th Mar 2018 21:48

Nomoresteerage it is one of beech fleet .

All Remaining 747s are shared between Gatwick and Manchester none are left at Heathrow .

Oh and they still have more upper class than BA/AA and EI out directly of Manchester you know their offerings start with an Airbus or turbo prop !

Suzeman 26th Mar 2018 11:06

TP Project progress - pictures
 
Some interesting pictures of building work progress on the TP project can be found here on the Skyscraper City site courtesy of Scottie Dog.

SkyscraperCity - View Single Post - Airport

Manchester Exile 26th Mar 2018 13:21

Good to see, for those of us who live overseas and donít visit more than once every few years. Thanks!

Plane.Silly 26th Mar 2018 14:52


VO222 MAN 0905 OST 1150
VO223 OST 1210 MAN 1300
Not sure if this is a typo or if i'm missing something. Isn't 20 mins a bit a push for turnaround time? Even the Irish guys can't do it that quick

Porky Speedpig 26th Mar 2018 15:23


Originally Posted by Plane.Silly (Post 10097606)
Not sure if this is a typo or if i'm missing something. Isn't 20 mins a bit a push for turnaround time? Even the Irish guys can't do it that quick

Just about achievable on a F50 with max 50 customers. Doesn't leave any allowance for late inbound though. The DanAir milk run services thru MAN in the morning and evening had 10 minutes on the ground, typically 15-20 people on and off and no refuelling.

LAX_LHR 26th Mar 2018 16:10

Also OST is a small airport so minimal taxi times and airport processing for pax should be quite quick/easy.

Although since posting this, VLM have flat out denied any interest in serving MAN this summer. So to have slots from May and appear on both FR24/Airport public timetable on website is no interest......

FFMAN 26th Mar 2018 16:29


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 10097693)
Also OST is a small airport so minimal taxi times and airport processing for pax should be quite quick/easy.

Although since posting this, VLM have flat out denied any interest in serving MAN this summer. So to have slots from May and appear on both FR24/Airport public timetable on website is no interest......

Is it bookable though?
I would be quite interested in an Ostend service and would probably use it. That part of Belgium is surprisingly difficult to get to otherwise. Should do well with tourist visitors to Bruges / Brugge too if marketed properly as that's not far down the road..

LAX_LHR 26th Mar 2018 16:49

It’s not bookable, yet.

SWBKCB 26th Mar 2018 17:37


The DanAir milk run services thru MAN in the morning and evening had 10 minutes on the ground, typically 15-20 people on and off and no refuelling.
And one engine kept running :ok:

OSTpax 26th Mar 2018 21:05

So apply for slots and then deny interest in MAN.:sad:

Would have thought that MAN is more interesting than BHX from ANR.

Scottie Dog 26th Mar 2018 22:18

Manchester Statistics - February 2018 (Part 1)

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

Enfidha (Tunisia) has reappeared for the first time since July 2015 with 1,036 passengers.

One domestic statistic are currently missing from the CAA report for February.

Belfast City and Inverness are yet to provide figures

Total passengers for these routes in February 2017 were 25,350

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics

Monthly passengers - 1,681,406 +1.30%
Annual Total - 3,346,029
Moving Annual Total - 27,811,759 + 6.85%

Monthly Movements - 13,006 -1.80%
Annual Movements - 26,544
Moving Annual Movements - 202,990 + 4.02%


Manchester Statistics - February 2018 (Part 2)

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers

AMSTERDAM..................................... 83,709
DUBAI................................................ 82,322
DUBLIN.............................................. 78,479
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 60,417
HEATHROW....................................... 52,990
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 44,936
ALICANTE........................................... 39,112
FRANKFURT....................................... 38,445
ABU DHABI......................................... 37,078
ARRICIFE............................................ 36,406
GENEVA............................................. 32,084
MUNICH............................................. 25,564
BERLIN (SCHONEFELD)....................... 25,455
DOHA................................................. 25,369
COPENHAGEN.................................... 25,142
KEFLAVIK............................................ 24,693
MALAGA............................................ 24,072
BELFAST INTERNATIONAL.................. 23,636
FUERTAVENTURA............................... 22,226
LAS PALMAS....................................... 21,372
BARCELONA....................................... 19,349
BRIDGETOWN.................................... 19,252
BRUSSELS........................................... 18,352
ISTANBUL........................................... 17,958
ISLAMABAD........................................ 16,278


CAA statistics for February are provisional.



Manchester Statistics - February 2018 (Part 3)

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.

Destination......................................Total Pax....Schedule Pax....Charter Pax....Percentage change
COLOGNE.......................................... 12,744........... 12,744.................... 0.................. 264.635
BANJUL............................................... 4,899............. 4,899..................... 0.................. 241.394
NEW YORK (JFK)................................ 13,005........... 13,005..................... 0................. 153.905
AGADIR............................................... 7,206............. 7,206..................... 0.................. 145.019
ST LUCIA............................................. 2,219.............. 2,219..................... 0................. 108.749
PERPIGNAN........................................... 296..................... 0................. 296.................. 92.2078
BOURNEMOUTH................................... 178..................... 0................. 178.................. 91.3979
TORONTO.......................................... 2,864............... 2,864.................... 0.................. 62.6349
TROMSO............................................... 418..................... 0................. 418.................. 45.6446
FRANKFURT..................................... 38,445............ 38,445..................... 0.................. 45.3827
GLASGOW......................................... 4,503.............. 4,503...................... 0.................. 44,2345
GOA................................................. 12,799.............. 9,383............... 3,416................. 42.1164
HURGHADA..................................... 14,076............ 14,076...................... 0................. 40.7882
STAVANGER...................................... 2,260............... 2,260...................... 0................ 35.899
HONG KONG................................... 13,532............. 13,532...................... 0................ 34.5664
BASLE................................................ 9,162............... 8,572.................. 590................ 30.55
OPORTO............................................ 3,921............... 3,084.................. 837................ 29.8774
HELSINKI............................................ 9,802............ 10,327....................... 0............... 27.636
CHAMBERY........................................ 6,633.............. 1,152................ 5,481............... 27,705
IRELAND WEST.................................. 1,750.............. 1,750....................... ................. 24.5552
BILLUND............................................ 2,266.............. 2,266....................... 0............... 24.0964
ISTANBUL........................................ 17,958............ 17,788................... 170............... 21.8483
BUDAPEST....................................... 12,147............ 12,147....................... 0............... 21.7989
SALZBURG......................................... 8,274.............. 5,178................ 3,096............... 19.6183
KEFLAVIK......................................... 24,693............ 22,034................ 2,659.................18.1936


CAA statistics for February are provisional.



Manchester Statistics - February 2018 (Part 4)

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

Foreign_airport……..Total_Pax 2017……..Total Pax 2018……% change
VIENNA………………….. 5,945……….…………….. 5,984……………….. +0.65601
BRUSSELS……………… 16,431……………………. 18,352……………….. +11.6913
BEIJING………………….. 6,711………………….….. 5,541.………………. -17.4341
PRAGUE………………… 12,950……………………. 14,742…….…………. +13.8378
COPENHAGEN………. 23,941……………………. 25,142……………….. +4.88507
HELSINKI………………... 7,588…………….……….. 9,802………………… +29.1776
PARIS (CDG)………….. 45,786…………………… 44,936……………..... -1.85646
DUSSELDORF………… 18,187………..…………. 16,116……..………… -11.3873
FRANKFURT MAIN… 26,444……………………. 38,445….…………… +45.3827
MUNICH……………….. 27,419..…………………. 25,564………………. -6.76538
HONG KONG……….… 10,056….………………… 13,532.……….……. +34.5664
KEFLAVIK……………….. 20,892……………….….. 24,693….………….. +18.1936
DUBLIN………………….. 78,793………………….. 78,479………..…….. -0.39851
MILAN (MALPENSA).. 11,415…………………. 11,321……………….. -0.83032
ROME (FIUMICINO)….. 7,261..……………. …..7,571……………….. +4.26938
AMSTERDAM………….. 75,212………….…….. 83,709.…………….... +11.2974
ISLAMABAD……………. 16,477..……………..… 16,278….……………. -1.20774
LISBON…………………… 15,430………………….. 14,398………..…….. -6.68827
DOHA…………………….. 26,729…………………… 25,369…………..….. -5.08811
JEDDAH…………………... 8,063…………………….. 8,489….……………. +5.28339
SINGAPORE……………… 6,584…………………….. 6,300……………….. -4.31349
MADRID…………………. 11,878………………….. 10,534…..…………... -11.315
STOCKHOLM (ARN)… 13,879………………….. 12,713..………………. -8.40118
GENEVA…………………. 33,510………………….. 32,552….………....... -2.85885
ZURICH………………….. 11,564………………….. 13,285…………………. +14.8824
ABU DHABI…………….. 33,671……………….…. 37,078…..…………... +10.1185
DUBAI…………………….. 81,066.…………………. 82,322………………... +1.54936
ATLANTA………………… 10,335…….……………... 5,840…………………. -43.493
CHICAGO…..……………………. 0……………………………. 0..………………. +0.00
HOUSTON………………… 3,542……………………. 3,249…………………. -8.27216
NEW YORK (JFK)……….. 5,122………………….. 13,005…………..……. +153.905
NEW YORK (NEWARK) 8,312….…………………. 8,275..………………. -0.44514
PHILADELPHIA…………. 7,703…………………….. 8,250……..…………. +7.10113
HEATHROW……………. 54,278…………………… 52,990……….….……. -2.37297


CAA statistics for February are provisional.



Manchester Statistics - February 2018 (Part 5)

Comparison of top 25 destinations - February 2008 versus February 2018

Foreign airport...........................February-08...........February-18
HEATHROW....................................... 73,464..................... 52,990
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............ 67,896...................... 60,417
DUBLIN.............................................. 57,208..................... 78,479
DUBAI................................................ 42,841..................... 82,322
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............ 40,296...................... 44,936
AMSTERDAM..................................... 38,502..................... 83,709
ALICANTE.......................................... 36,881...................... 39,112
ARRECIFE........................................... 32,795...................... 36,406
MALAGA............................................ 32,743...................... 24,702
SHARM EL SHEIK................................ 30,874...................... 0
GATWICK........................................... 29,255...................... 0
FRANKFURT....................................... 27,975...................... 38,445
ORLANDO.......................................... 27,325...................... 14,864
GENEVA............................................. 22,937...................... 32,552
EDINBURGH....................................... 20,422...................... 7,484
LAS PALMAS...................................... 19,156....................... 21,372
BELFAST CITY..................................... 18,789...................... TBA
BRIDGETOWN.................................... 18,338...................... 19,252
ISLAMABAD........................................ 17,841..................... 16,278
CHICAGO (O'HARE)............................ 17,298...................... 0
PAPHOS............................................. 16,323....................... 13,398
NEW YORK (NEWARK)....................... 15,967....................... 8,275
COPENHAGEN.................................... 15,385....................... 25,142
FARO.................................................. 15,331....................... 11,590
SALZBURG.......................................... 15,042....................... 8,274


CAA statistics for February are provisional.



Manchester Statistics - February 2018 (Part 6)

Major changes to Domestic traffic

Edinburgh - 7,484 +7.62151%
Exeter- 9,393 + 6.93306%
Glasgow - 4,503 +44.2345%
Heathrow- 52,990 -2.37297%
Isle of Man - 12,007 +4.76398%
Newquay - 4,327 +11.3771%
Norwich - 1,397 -37.6896%
Southampton - 16,112 +0.14295%


CAA statistics for February are provisional



Manchester Statistics - February 2018 (Part 7)

An extra list for interest only - some destinations with annual carriage (March 2017-February 2018)

Amsterdam - 1,050,878
Dubai - 990,172
Dublin - 972,207
Alicante - 869,423
Tenerife (Surreina Sofia) - 859,131
Palma - 743,718
Malaga - 675,967
Heathrow - 659,941
Paris (Charles de Gaulle) - 628,060


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