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ZOOKER 20th Mar 2018 20:36

FFMAN,
A good point. I think 'business travel' could be on the way out. Back in the 1980s, my favourite film, 'Local Hero' contains the line 'Do I really have to go there?" The deal could, allegedly have been wrapped up 'over the wires'...meaning TELEX.

Just look how far we have come since then, with the internet, and the potential savings of time, ££££ and CO2. :ok:

doublesix 20th Mar 2018 21:48

I understand traffic marshals have no legal power to move people on if they refuse. However,have airport management considered asking Police to deploy PCSO’s to assist and issue tickets if people if they stop to pick up? I know this may incur a charge, but perhaps MAG should bear the cost instead of punishing the majority

sparkysam 20th Mar 2018 21:56

Just wondered why SEMMS at £380 million is being built. Cheers Sam

ZOOKER 20th Mar 2018 22:05

doublesix.....'Deploying PCSOs'?

It's an airport, not a crime scene.

ZOOKER 20th Mar 2018 22:13

Dobbo points out that EGCC has aspirations of 30,000,000 pax pa, and that's the lower figure.

In a leap-year, that's just short of 82,000 pax per day.

Or just over 3400 pax per hour, assuming it's smoothed-out over 24h..Which it won't be.

How will that work?....From a terminal capacity point-of-view, and from a ground transport point-of-view?

doublesix 20th Mar 2018 22:54


Originally Posted by ZOOKER (Post 10090867)
doublesix.....'Deploying PCSOs'?

It's an airport, not a crime scene.

PCSO are not Police they are there to assist Police (Hence assisting in moving on inconsiderant Parkerís.) Surely a help to the current situation!

ETOPS 21st Mar 2018 09:16


inconsiderate Parkerís
I think you will find these are "inconsiderate passengers" who have the gall to try and turn up in their own cars !!

Mr A Tis 21st Mar 2018 09:59

I used to travel to the airport by bus(369) for regular flights to Southampton. This bus along with many services (18,44,200,369)have been withdrawn or soon will be. This has meant a taxi instead to T3- drop off congested due to poor layout. Soon to add another £3-£4 to the fare for the privilege. Then join the huge queues at security (or pay again for a couple of minutes improvement)to join an overcrowded Terminal, with limited seating-or be refused from an over crowded lounge. A thoroughly unpleasant experience.
I am now bypassing this mess and using the train to Southampton.
I think the UK is the only country I have ever come across that charge their customers to just turn up- all part of rip off Britain.
Manchester Airport has the worst take up of public transport than any other major UK airport.
I'm surprised any domestic services survive operating from this airport given the time it takes to be processed.

MAN777 21st Mar 2018 11:11

If we must have drop off parking charges to ease congestion, surely expecting drivers to leave car and join a line at a payment machine is going to make things worse ?

A system similar to the Dart charge (Dartford crossing) would be best, in and out and pay later online.

UnderASouthernSky 21st Mar 2018 16:32


Originally Posted by MAN777 (Post 10091368)
If we must have drop off parking charges to ease congestion, surely expecting drivers to leave car and join a line at a payment machine is going to make things worse ?

A system similar to the Dart charge (Dartford crossing) would be best, in and out and pay later online.

Who said anything about leaving your car to pay?

Mr A Tis 21st Mar 2018 16:50

If they were serious about reducing airport congestion- they could agree to donate the £4 per car to a public transport fund to finance a decent local bus network to/from the Airport. Now that just might reduce congestion around the Airport, not just the terminal forecourt.
We know it's about making money and they don't really want to do anything that would affect the car parking cash cow.

STOP PRESS:
Maybe I spoke too soon.....
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...igure-14440012

vinnym 21st Mar 2018 17:08


Originally Posted by UnderASouthernSky (Post 10091690)
Who said anything about leaving your car to pay?

What method of payment are they suggesting? If it involves barriers then congestion will only get worse and it really is only a means to generate more cash.

pholling 21st Mar 2018 17:11


Originally Posted by vinnym (Post 10091724)
What method of payment are they suggesting? If it involves barriers then congestion will only get worse and it really is only a means to generate more cash.

BFS has coin slots on theirs, but it is only £1. My suggestion is contactless payments only, either that or pre-pay. The big issue will arise when you go over 5 minutes because of queues to exit. If you cannot get through the system in less than 5 minutes it will pose potentially significant issues contract law.

TURIN 21st Mar 2018 17:15


Originally Posted by vinnym (Post 10091724)
What method of payment are they suggesting? If it involves barriers then congestion will only get worse and it really is only a means to generate more cash.

Credit/Debit cards seem pretty common these days. If you ever use the M6 Toll you will know about the card payment machines. No PIN required just in/out or tap and go.
Even the coin basket could be used.
its pretty quick.

I don't like the idea of being charged more for using the airport either but it is possible to do without too much trouble.

inOban 21st Mar 2018 17:37


Originally Posted by Mr A Tis (Post 10091707)
If they were serious about reducing airport congestion- they could agree to donate the £4 per car to a public transport fund to finance a decent local bus network to/from the Airport. Now that just might reduce congestion around the Airport, not just the terminal forecourt.
We know it's about making money and they don't really want to do anything that would affect the car parking cash cow.

Unfortunately it isn't possible to run a reliable bus service along roads clogged with cars!
Manchester must be the only UK airport served by not one but two segregated services - train and tram. I know that the usage of the airport station is growing faster than that of the airport.

LAX_LHR 21st Mar 2018 22:40

DY1771 LPA-TRD seems to have dropped in for fuel.

FFMAN 22nd Mar 2018 05:54


Originally Posted by TURIN (Post 10091729)
Credit/Debit cards seem pretty common these days. If you ever use the M6 Toll you will know about the card payment machines. No PIN required just in/out or tap and go.
Even the coin basket could be used.
its pretty quick.

I don't like the idea of being charged more for using the airport either but it is possible to do without too much trouble.

But it is the principle involved.
Britain is almost unique in doing this because we let PR and marketing types* persuade us that we (the customer) are the problem and that we must be punished for our unreasonable behaviour.
Try getting away with this in the US...or Europe...or anywhere else. People would just not put up with it. but here in rip off Britain.:mad:

Other much bigger airports than Manchester can manage the traffic flows around the terminals much better. As others have said, by re-opening the closed off drop off points around the terminals (particularly T3) this problem would not exist. One can only conclude that the gradual closing down of these areas is a carefully orchestrated plan over the last few years by the airport management to make these charges seem 'inevitable'.

Well this premium FF is definitely going to become a less frequent FF from June. I had a conversation yesterday with one of the project teams along the lines of 'is it really necessary to physically meet?'
I hope the airlines are reading this.

* If you read the MEN: 'an airport spokesman said' piece, linked above, apparently it's not an airport anymore it's a 'campus' :mad: Perhaps if the management didn't waste money on paying salaries to idiots like that and spent the money on problem solving, they wouldn't have got themselves in to this mess.

Skipness One Echo 22nd Mar 2018 08:20

I note that the US, which suffered the worst terrorist attack in world history, still lets you drop off outside the terminal building. We're mugs.
Also TSA, pull a fraction of the bags aside for "re-screening" than security theatre in the UK, it's a for-show pantomime to a large extent.

SWBKCB 22nd Mar 2018 08:38


I note that the US, which suffered the worst terrorist attack in world history, still lets you drop off outside the terminal building. We're mugs.
Anybody remember Glasgow?


Also TSA, pull a fraction of the bags aside for "re-screening" than security theatre in the UK, it's a for-show pantomime to a large extent.
But having established a level of checking, how do you reduce it? The first incident would be perceived to be down to the reduction in checking levels.


One can only conclude that the gradual closing down of these areas is a carefully orchestrated plan over the last few years by the airport management to make these charges seem 'inevitable'.
How do people expect airports to be paid for? You can't have low fares and "free" airports.

Dobbo_Dobbo 22nd Mar 2018 09:18

RAM expands to 4x weekly.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/277770/royal-air-maroc-increases-manchester-service-in-s18/


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