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FFMAN 27th Sep 2017 09:45

Those new runway times make much more sense. I've been waiting at the hold of 23R for over 20 minutes late morning when they go back to single runway ops.
Also - a question - isn't the old runway 02/20 more or less the taxiway that runs past the new control tower towards Terminal 2?

Betablockeruk 27th Sep 2017 10:37

Taxiway C. I'm sure I remember a Cessna landing on it in the early 80's but that doesn't match with when it was closed. Probably "I was very very drunk at the time".

Scottie Dog 27th Sep 2017 10:52

You must have been very drunk!!:=

10/28 was the last runway to close and I remember using it frequently (if only as a passenger in either a Cherokee or Tomahawk.

Porky Speedpig 27th Sep 2017 11:07


Originally Posted by Council Van (Post 9904281)
Because BA were not interested, they have brought into this London is England philosophy and that the rest of the Country is irrelevant.

Could you imagine them lowering themselves to the depths required to fly Northern inbreds around.:ugh:

You might want to look at the relative profitability of IAG and Virgin. IAG will pursue any business they think will produce an acceptable rate of return on assets employed.

LAX_LHR 27th Sep 2017 12:19

Easyjet increasing from 12 to 13 aircraft next summer going off current schedules.

ZOOKER 27th Sep 2017 12:30

The last aircraft to use R/W 28 was a C172, G-AZTS.

Late 1980s, or possibly early '90s.

Betablockeruk 27th Sep 2017 12:53

Ryanair just announced "it will slow its growth this winter (Nov 17 to Mar 18), by flying 25 less aircraft (of its 400 fleet) from November, and 10 fewer aircraft (of 445) from April 2018" but Manchester unaffected.

LAX_LHR 27th Sep 2017 14:11

MAN is affected in some ways, as an example, Madrid reduces from daily to 6 weekly with no Sunday flight this winter.

Not checked other routes but I doubt MAD is the only one.

roverman 27th Sep 2017 17:41


Originally Posted by ZOOKER (Post 9905495)
The last aircraft to use R/W 28 was a C172, G-AZTS.

Late 1980s, or possibly early '90s.

Runway 10/28 officially closed in 1979. The major refurbishment and re-profiling on 06/24 in 1979/80 resulted in a pronounced hump in the cross-runway. There were however a few unlicensed operations on 10/28 up until about 1990, for instance a light aircraft outside crosswind limits on 06/24 but needing to land urgently, or a historic aircraft special event.

02/20 closed in the early 1970s when the building of Pier C effectively lay on the extended centreline and it was needed primarily as a taxiway to serve the new pier and due to increasing traffic.

eggc 27th Sep 2017 18:17


Originally Posted by Navpi (Post 9904952)
I can confirm 94 aircraft on the ground at 2200 last night.

...and many many EZY / RYR / EXS / MON still to return. Like I said, MAN is completely full from 1am until 6am - I doubt there is a spare stand. There are many other airports that can accommodate diversions easily, and that is where they will go. There are things to moan about at MAN right now, but turning away diversions from a full airport really isn't one of them.

ZOOKER 27th Sep 2017 20:11

Hopefully though eggc, they will never turn 'emergencies' away.

And roverman, you're spot on about the unlicensed movement of G-AZTS. I was the air controller who issued the 'Land at your discretion' clearance, (after liaising with 'OPS 3', obviously). W/V was about 310/30kts, and 'TS stopped well before the 06/24 10/28 intersection. The pilot was very grateful too.

DomyDom 27th Sep 2017 20:24

Arrived back from Larnaca on a full Thomson Dreamliner into T2 on Sunday night about 20:15. Everything went smoothly, the moving escalators working and passport control a dream. A 20 minute wait for cases but that's hardly the airports fault and the wait was probably felt long due to how quickly we went through passport control. I must admit it the experience was better than I've seen it for a while.

ZOOKER 27th Sep 2017 20:40

Oh, and I love the Knutsford Guardian article.

Notice that it's always "An Airport Spokesman"who says.........

Why haven't any of the folks who work there got the courage to add their names to this stuff. It's the same with press articles about local councils. Same thing really.

And I love the statement...."Depending on where you live there may be no change, or less or more aircraft".

If, "Our business is growing"........How on Earth can there be less aircraft?........A380s to the Med'?

DP. 28th Sep 2017 11:59


Originally Posted by Dobbo_Dobbo (Post 9904986)
That is a relatively under the radar success story.

I've flown the MAN-NQY route a couple of times this year, and I've found it a really good experience - decent aircraft, competitive fares, and an easy experience both ways at NQY.


Originally Posted by ZOOKER (Post 9906114)
Notice that it's always "An Airport Spokesman"who says.........

Why haven't any of the folks who work there got the courage to add their names to this stuff. It's the same with press articles about local councils. Same thing really.

It's an operational decision taken by the airport management. What does it matter whether or not whichever relatively lowly comms person responsible for sending out the statement on their behalf puts their name on it?

ZOOKER 28th Sep 2017 21:21

It matters greatly DP.

Too many big buisnesses hide behind the 'cloak of anonymity' today.

Armodeen 28th Sep 2017 23:25

Obviously the statement doesn't mean less aircraft in general, but about altering the distribution of traffic throughout the day. This could lead to a scenario where by depending on where you live you could see more, less or similar traffic levels. If you live off the centreline of 23R I'd imagine you will see less.

gazza007 29th Sep 2017 14:34

Perhaps its now time to build the planned full length taxiway for 23L/06R before growth gets too big and it becomes a PITA like the current TP

FFMAN 29th Sep 2017 16:51


Originally Posted by ZOOKER (Post 9907268)
It matters greatly DP.

Too many big buisnesses hide behind the 'cloak of anonymity' today.

I think you mentioned earlier you were an ATCO? Would you greet a pilot with your name on handover? No - because you represent the organization you work for in that context.

Also why should a (probably) underpaid office worker in MAG House add their name to corporate pronouncements opening themselves up to the abuse that is all too readily dished out under that same cloak of anonymity?

FFMAN 29th Sep 2017 16:53


Originally Posted by Council Van (Post 9907893)
Could not agree more but it would not be an easy job as the Southern tunnel would need to be extended I suspect. ok:

Indeed - two tunnels would have to become three tunnels. Expensive and therefore the Benefit Cost Ratio would probably be negative.

MANFOD 30th Sep 2017 10:17

Ryanair:

It would seem MAN is losing 19 departures a week over the winter with the latest cancellations. How the original schedules for winter 17/18 compared to last winter I'm not sure.

The cancellations are frequency reductions on predominantly "city" type routes.
For example, CRL, BCN, and BGY are losing flights on some days when there were second rotations. However, HAM is reduced to 3 x weekly instead of daily and there are weekly frequency reductions to Madrid, Rome and 2 weekly services to Lisbon.

It's disappointing, especially as LPL & LBA appear to have no cancellations and BHX only the odd DUB rotation. I don't know exactly how many weekly departures Ryanair were originally scheduling from MAN this winter but I would guess 19 represents at least 7%, possibly more, and something like 150,000 seats from Nov to 24 March.


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