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chaps1954 25th Nov 2017 06:59

Lets all wait and see, I expect things will be a lot cleared by end of December or early January as the airlines are going to want to be ready for the busy booking period in January.

LAX_LHR 25th Nov 2017 07:24


Originally Posted by MKY661 (Post 9968388)
Shame EasyJet haven't increased frequency on the MAN-GIB route, definitely would fill up the gap lost from Monarch, unless there is another announcement due?

There hasn’t been an announcement at all yet so plenty of time for more frequencies. I personally can’t see GIB and TLV in particular staying at the frequency they currently are.

Ex Cargo Clown 25th Nov 2017 21:27


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 9967983)
2 routes I’m aware of are Genoa 2 Weekly and 6 weekly Nice. Mahon is highly expected. All other routes are protected as ZZF.

They're sticking ZZF to protect the slots, as you well know. I don't think they have the A/C to use them.

businessair75 25th Nov 2017 22:43

I wouldn’t be too sure. An internal e mail explains that the slots being returned to the slot pool has put an obstacle on plans that the airline has and as such, any announcement won’t be made until the new year. It seems they have the plans but the fact that the slots aren’t being sold by the administrator is delaying things somewhat.

LAX_LHR 26th Nov 2017 07:44

The slots are in the possession of ACL and thus Easyjet if allocated, they are no longer KPMG’s to sell.

Scottie Dog 26th Nov 2017 08:56


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 9969340)
The slots are in the possession of ACL and thus Easyjet if allocated, they are no longer KPMG’s to sell.

Just to add to what has already been said by LAX_LHR, it is common knowledge that the Manchester slots were returned to ACL and the pool at the initial Court hearing. It is the LGW & LTN slots that the Court of Appeal ruled were the property of Monarch and therefore could be traded.

As such I see no reason why easyJet should have difficulty in obtaining the slots at Manchester- even if they are unable to get the exact timing that they would initially like. Whether they take up all of those slots may be another question.

SWBKCB 26th Nov 2017 09:04


even if they are unable to get the exact timing that they would initially like
Isn't the point being made that if they could have bought them from the administrator straight off, they would have know what they had without having to wait for the allocation process?

Scottie Dog 26th Nov 2017 09:19

But the timing of the allocation process was such that they already knew which slots they had been awarded at Manchester at almost the same time as the Court of Appeal had made its decision on the LGW/LTN ruling. Presumably those "southern" slots now have to be bartered for and that will take a few days or weeks.

The MAG decision to go to court in the first place has saved a lot of time and effort for all involved. The only losers are the Monarch administrators who have now, unfortunately in my view, set a precedent in giving a value to slots at those other airports.

Dobbo_Dobbo 26th Nov 2017 09:27


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 9969410)
Isn't the point being made that if they could have bought them from the administrator straight off, they would have know what they had without having to wait for the allocation process?

Why would you pay Monarch's administrators for the slots and run the risk a court rules they are not theirs to sell and returns them to the slot pool anyway?

LAX_LHR 26th Nov 2017 09:32


Originally Posted by SWBKCB (Post 9969410)
Isn't the point being made that if they could have bought them from the administrator straight off, they would have know what they had without having to wait for the allocation process?

with all due respect, that argument doesn’t really make sense?

Depending on the interest in those slots, they could have had to enter a bidding war and thus not only ‘not know what they had’ but could have incurred higher costs?

At least via the ACL they know what they have, and what they can use, and has probably cost them nothing other than possible admin fees.

SWBKCB 26th Nov 2017 10:00


The slots are in the possession of ACL and thus Easyjet if allocated, they are no longer KPMG’s to sell.
The point being made is that at the moment EZY have plans but no slots so no announcements and no seats being sold.

If they had been able to buy from KPMG they would at least know where they stand.

LAX_LHR 26th Nov 2017 10:17

Easyjet do have the slots though. The initial ACL for S18 shows Ryanair, Vueling and Easyjet have been awarded the Monarch slots. All Monarch ones have been cancelled.

SWBKCB 26th Nov 2017 10:28

Thanks - that wasn't clear from earlier posts.

chaps1954 26th Nov 2017 10:45

That was hard work wasn`t it,simples all the airlines know what they have got and it`s now upto the airlines to decide what they want to do with them otherwise release them back into the pool for others to pick over

Ex Cargo Clown 27th Nov 2017 01:32

Not as simple as that, ACL hold the slots but the airlines have to work out A/C, staff, stands etc. You can't just e-bay them

LAX_LHR 27th Nov 2017 02:37

Staff- special portals for ex-Monarch staff and high turnout.... check

Stands- 9 stands planned to be used by monarch but now vacant....check

Aircraft- bit more tricky but can no doubt be sorted, lots of aircraft in storage at the moment.

Problems are only problems if you don’t have solutions for them

Ex Cargo Clown 27th Nov 2017 04:04

Staff - a lot of gone to pastures new, plus would they be "red-ringed" on their current contracts?

Stands - It's not the number, it's the timings.

A/C - Difficult one. Don't forget you need crew as well.

I'm surprised LH or KL haven't jumped on this

LAX_LHR 27th Nov 2017 04:39

Staff. Would not be red ringed, only get TUPEd if there was a full takeover.

Stands, as said, no issue overnight, 9 aircraft void to fill.

Navpi 27th Nov 2017 06:31

All EZY have to do and for that matter RYR etc is identify routes, source aircraft, employ staff.
No different to potential expansion at any any other airport in 2018.

Yes they will have same issue at LGW BUT it will cost an arm and a leg without these issues.

I fail to see what the discussion is about.

Can we have some at Stansted :)

Espada III 27th Nov 2017 13:08


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 9968523)
There hasn’t been an announcement at all yet so plenty of time for more frequencies. I personally can’t see GIB and TLV in particular staying at the frequency they currently are.

Pity, I was under the impression that TLV had pretty good load factors with both EZY and MON, so the loss of three flights per week out of five, especially since there was only one day on which they both flew, means a loss of flexibility for passengers, increased fares and more transferring via Europe.


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