Thanks paully.

I don’t post here for the plaudits, but equally not the insults either. I post because I have access to news, and like to see the drome do well.

MAN was always the airport we went to for our holidays, and as a teen, went spotting too. And for that, I love seeing it do well, and for a regional airport on an island domintaed by one of the worlds super hubs, I think MAN has a very enviable Network.

By posting here it may also help the flights too, as there may be people reading who would actually use some of the new routes and flights that get posted here.

And that’s why I do it really. Yes, it may be seen by some as ‘bragging’ (but equally I don’t see why that’s not allowed), but it doesn’t harm anyone and might just help someone too. To be called some of the things I have purely for posting routes news/opinions is just a bit bizzare really, I thought we were all here for the same love of aviation, but it seems there is a fair amount of hatred too.

If you're being bullied and it's genuine hatred please tell the mods who will sort it out ASAP. Genuinely, no one should be actually bullied. Otherwise....
Great post! In business, all too often, senior careers are built on empire building with little regard for the medium to long term consequences. The whole concept of an airport group is a little odd, one thinks of BAA which was fine so long as it was in public ownership and part of a wider strategy. The idea that STN and MAN are in common ownership has some economies of scale for purchasing but not much else IMHO. What MAN used to have under Gil Thomson was a laser like focus on where they were going and what that looked like, and then putting in the facilities to manage the traffic. In fairness MAN still struggles in a rather unique position of being such a major player with no anchor tennant or based carrier. So the design isn't built around a vision like Lufthansa's Munich or Swiss' Zurich. MAN has a huge variety of destinations but offered across a wide variety of terminals and carriers none of which are really bespoke anymore. Rebuild can't come soon enough, and by way of note, BHX have just lost Icelandair in addition to American and United so times are changing (again).

Funny enough, I did once, but it was instead me who got a time out. But, is it not ironic you should comment, as I suppose you forget that in the period you and me never saw eye to eye, you sent me a pm where you admitted that you were deliberately trying to wind me up and such? You may have seen it as harmless, but Bullying can take several forms, don’t forget.

So whats the potential impact on VS ops and overall capacity to the US if the A332s go ahead.

Come come now, - think outside the box ! This Vast cost could easily be re-couped and eventually be used for what it was designed for, meanwhile use it as a car park like many operational areas have been over the past 5 years or so.:ok:

I won't be furthering this interlude as even I am getting bored with my bleetings. Bring on the RUMORS I say :D

We are still awaiting the full details before we can speculate on the impact.

If it is the Air Berlin A332 and it remains in an Air Berlin config, then it represents a decrease in U/C, no premium economy and an increase in economy.

There is also the fact 4 aircraft are coming in to replace 3, so, that in itself is an interesting prospect.

This scenario is only until May. Later in the year, according to the VS email, the aircraft will be reconfigured to a full VS spec.

We also have the fact that routes to SFO and BOS appear to be going year round according to OAG, so, perhaps the small MAN subfleet could be a good thing.

My emphasis. This is precisely the reason I look at this site - to get a heads up on new flying opportunities or more often in my case, looking for more pleasurable or direct ways of getting to projects overseas.

Your posts are really appreciated in this respect.

To be honest I don't really see you as someone who is always 'defending' MAN - although I am a relatively new poster I can think of times when you have criticized it too.
But whatever...in an open forum based in a society that celebrates free speech we should all be a little more tolerant when somebody posts something we don't agree with - and - that's life anyway isn't it? We wouldn't be so disrespectful to people face to face so why hide behind a keyboard?

On a purely selfish note....can I ask a question on something that I have seen partially announced: I was a reasonably regular user of the Monarch service to Zagreb, in fact I was last on it only a couple weeks before the final curtain. Is it true Croatia Airlines will adopt the route instead? I think I even saw flight numbers mentioned on here. If so any pointers on when flights might be released / and when they might begin? I've got to plan a couple of trips in the Spring and I need to get them booked immediately in the New Year due to coordnating with others coming from other points in Europe.
Thanks :ok:

In terms of Zagreb, I’m not aware of anyone taking over the route at this stage. The Croatian Times you may have seen were probably for the 2 weekly Split link, due to start May next year, but like a lot of the items waiting in the wings, is yet to be formally announced.

LOT
 

Any news on LOT Polish Airlines to Warsaw?

It’s funny that you only ever seem to come on this thread to take issue at something I’ve posted? This thread would be better if you commented on the airport once in a while and not just what I’m posting.....

Skipness One Echo_
MAG Half Year results just announced.
Revenues +£61m to £543m +12.7%
Adjusted Operating Profit £164.8m +9.6%
In light of your remarks yesterday concerning MAN/STN within MAG would you care to comment or pass analysis?.

Dear oh dear....I ask a simple question....hey ho...what ever...:))

If viewers are slightly puzzled with what now appears a non contextual answer of mine above, the answer lies with Skipness One Echo as his original response to my question has rightly been deleted.
A more sensible less personal answer at time 11.18 above.

In connection with the results posted above MAG to hand £36m windfall to the 10 local Manchester councils as part owners.
Visionary.

MAN-FLR and MAN-DUB announced by BA - see CityFlyer thread

Had expected Florence, and indeed is using the flight times and numbers posted earlier. DUB was unexpected though. Even at just 1 weekly, should do well with the weekend crowd.

Being reported elsewhere that the A332s being leased by VS to cover the 787 issues are being painted in the full VS livery and will be refitted with the standard interior in time. The poster suggests that the 4 aircraft will be MAN based.

If they are being painted and refitted that suggests they are staying longer term.

Been posted upto 4 years

So four A330-200s to be based at MAN, would that be a five aircraft base for summer, with one B744?
More interestingly is what the released airframes are going to be doing back at LHR/LGW?
4 aircraft is a 10% increase in fleet size over todays 40.

need 2 B744 for at least some days for MCO and LAS plus maybe GLA

Did I read correctly, 45million pounds to build the new BOH terminal? Just had a look on Google Earth and there has to be a . between the 4 and 5 and even that figure would be expensive

Looks like the first significant snowfall forecast this weekend. Upto 20cm over the early part of Sunday.
Good luck if you're working or travelling...

MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA
Just for you :New Bournemouth Airport terminal opens - BBC News

Thanks for the link, no way that cost 45million, someone was ripped off big time - I go with my original assessment of 4.5

That's called forward planning - How dare you suggest such a thing :E

Well according to other forums LOT Polish Airlines will commence twice daily WAW to MAN on E190 at the beginning of the IATA summer schedule on the 25 March 2018 using flight numbers LO287/LO288 and LO289/LO290.

What surprises me more than anything else about MAN is that why hasn't EL AL ever reinstated the TLV to MAN route as surely there must be the demand for it from the huge Jewish population in the Manchester and surrounding areas.

TLV
 

I believe that there has been lobbying from time to time from the Manchester Jewish community (fast growing) for EL AL to resume the service. There are some who will only travel LY due to the enhanced security on board, however since LY dropped it in 2000? the route has been well-served by LS, EZY and until recently MON. The latter's demise will surely prompt greater frequency from EZY and/or attract another carrier. Nice if LY were to return but I think less likely.

.... and a large proportion of the Jewish community dislike El Al for a couple of specific reasons.

Cathay every day
 

CX219 on its way to MAN - the first Sunday flight for many years. Yes, it's daily non-stop at last! With that tantalising gap in the CX 216/219 flight numbers - does the story end here?

MAN taking quite a few diversions this morning from BHX, LTN and STN which are all snow closed, including AF & EW A319s, Pegasus, Turkish and three Blue Air 737s, LH CRJ and several Ryanairs.

Is the NOTAM office closed for its Xmas party today ?! :)

And even more incredible considering 05L requires backtracking and thus more landing spacing due to taxiway work. Kudos to all the staff in the airport today.

it started daily on Wednesday.

Manchester Statistics - October 2017(Part 1)

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

No new routes to report - however Dakar in Senegal has reappeared for the first time since 2006 with 221 passengers

Four domestic statistic are currently missing from the CAA report for October .

Belfast City, Exeter, Inverness and Jersey have yet to provide figures

Total passengers for those 4 routes in September were 45,431


Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics

Monthly passengers - 2,401,992+ 3.1%
Annual Total- 24,123,491
Moving Annual Total - 27,714,994 + 10.05%

Monthly Movements - 17,250 + 2.4%
Moving Annual Movements - 197,038 + 9.1%

Manchester Statistics -October 2017 (Part 2)

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers

AMSTERDAM..................................... 91,455
DUBAI................................................ 82,959
DUBLIN.............................................. 78,606
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 70,946
PALMA............................................... 68,707
ALICANTE........................................... 68,245
HEATHROW....................................... 55,201
MALAGA............................................ 54,706
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 54,507
ORLANDO.......................................... 51,126
ARRICIFE............................................ 43,763
FARO.................................................. 41,850
NEW YORK JFK................................... 38,425
FRANKFURT....................................... 37,955
BARCELONA....................................... 37,471
PAPHOS.............................................. 36,177
DALAMAN.......................................... 33,863
ABU DHABI......................................... 33,606
LAS PALMAS....................................... 32,381
COPENHAGEN.................................... 29,537
ANTALYA............................................ 29,087
MUNICH............................................. 27,927
BERLIN (SCHONEFELD)....................... 26,620
CANCUN............................................. 26,158
HAMBURG.......................................... 26,099

CAA statistics for October are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - October 2017 (Part 3)

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.

Destination......................................Total Pax....Schedule Pax....Charter Pax....Percentage change
HOUSTON........................................... 5,122............. 5,122.................. 0.................. 3,292.053
OLBIA................................................. 2,384.............. 2,199............... 185................. 1,181.7204
WROCLAW......................................... 4,315.............. 4,315................... 0................. 1,165.3959
TOULOUSE......................................... 4,381.............. 4,142................ 239.................... 995.25
SANDEFJORD...................................... 5,909............. 5,909.................... 0.................... 796.66161
PULA................................................... 1,571............. 1,387................ 184.................... 356.68605
MIKONOS............................................ 2,605............. 2,605.................... 0................... 287.64881
HURGHADA....................................... 13,192........... 13,192.................... 0................... 202.56881
SPLIT................................................... 5,464............. 4,918................. 546................... 160.68702
ALGHERO.............................................. 542..................... 0................. 542.................. 145.24887
KEFALLINIA......................................... 5,827............. 4,447............... 1,380................. 114.38558
HAMBURG........................................ 26,099........... 26,099..................... 0.................... 110.67969
ROME (CIAMPINO)........................... 14,311........... 14,311..................... 0.................... 99.986026
KRAKOW........................................... 13,944........... 13,944..................... 0.................... 89.019927
ILHA DO SAL CAPE VERDE.................. 5,574.............. 5,574..................... 0.................... 77.008574
DUBROVNIK...................................... 11,739............ 11,423................ 316..................... 74.453856
GERONA.............................................. 8,477............. 8,259................. 218.................... 71.287129
GLASGOW........................................... 5,992.............. 5,992.................... 0.................... 59.64892
CATANIA (FONTANAROSSA)............... 7,345.............. 5,685............. 1,660..................... 69.395756
KOS.................................................... 14,167............. 9,023.............. 5,144.................... 68.775316
THIRA.................................................. 5,374.............. 5,152............... 222..................... 65.813021
BILBAO............................................... 6,505.............. 6,505.................... 0..................... 58,619849
LOS ANGELES...................................... 7,156.............. 7,156.................... 0..................... 57.864549
GDANSK.............................................. 4,470.............. 4,470.................... 0..................... 57.560804
COLOGNE............................................ 5,391.............. 5,391................... 0...................... 57.263711

CAA statistics for October are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - October 2017 (Part 4)

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

Foreign_airport……..Total_Pax 2016……..Total Pax 2017……% change
VIENNA………………….. 9,173……….…………….. 9,339……………….. +1.809659
BRUSSELS……………… 16,087……………………. 19,705……………….. +22.490209
BEIJING………………….. 7,564 ………………….….. 5,846.………………. -22.71285
PRAGUE………………… 13,892……………………. 13,960…….…………. +0.48949
COPENHAGEN………. 29,560……………………. 29,537……………….. -077808
HELSINKI………………... 8,893…………….……... 10,158……………….. +14.224671
PARIS (CDG)…………… 51,593……………………. 54,507…………….... +5.648053
DUSSELDORF…………. 17,196………..…………. 22,126……..……….. +28.669458
FRANKFURT MAIN…. 30,894……………………. 37,955….…………… +22.855571
MUNICH………………… 26,892..………………….. 27,927………………. +3.848728
HONG KONG………….. 10,462….………………… 10,720 ……….……… +2.466068
KEFLAVIK……………….. 11,746……………….…… 14,931….……………. +13,122206
DUBLIN…………………… 84,203……………………. 78,606………….……. -6.647032
MILAN (MALPENSA).. 15,582……………………. 13,945……………….. -10.50571
ROME (FIUMICINO).. 19,193..……………………. 9,585……………….. -50.05992
AMSTERDAM…………. 86,874…………………….. 91,455.……………... +5.273154
ISLAMABAD……………. 22,658..…………………… 15,695………………. -3073087
LISBON…………………… 18,601…………………….. 23,059………..…….. +23.966453
DOHA…………………….. 27,130…………………….. 24,510………………. -9.657206
JEDDAH……………………. 3,834………………………. 4,552……………….. +18.727178
SINGAPORE……………… 6,910………………………. 7,395……………….. +7.018813
MADRID…………………. 13,755…………………….. 14,227………………. +3.431479
STOCKHOLM (ARN)… 13,403…………………….. 14,270………………. +6.468701
GENEVA…………………. 14,077…………………….. 16,427….………..... +16.693898
ZURICH……………………. 9,471……………………….. 9,471 ………………. +8.699644
ABU DHABI…………….. 32,421……………….……. 33,606…..…………. +3.655038
DUBAI…………………….. 76,105.……………………. 82,959………………. +9.005979
ATLANTA……………….. 13,549…….…………………. 8,821………………. -34.89556
CHICAGO…..…………….. 8,662……………………….. 8,123………………. -6.22581
HOUSTON……………..…… .151……………………….. 5,122………………. +3292.053
NEW YORK (JFK)……… 34,807…………………….. 38,425………..……. +10.394461
NEW YORK (NEWARK). 9,098………………………. 9,530………………. +4.748296
PHILADELPHIA………… 11,415……………………… 11,337……..………. -0.683311
HEATHROW……………. 58,123……………………… 55,201……………… -5.02727

CAA statistics for October are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - October 2017 (Part 5)

Comparison of top 25 destinations - October 2007 versus October 2017

Foreign airport...........................October-07...........October-17
PALMA.............................................. 85,365...................... 68,727
HEATHROW....................................... 83,031..................... 55,201
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 72,178..................... 70,946
MALAGA............................................ 64,078..................... 54,706
ALICANTE........................................... 62,322.................... 68,245
DUBLIN............................................... 60,975.................... 78,606
FARO.................................................. 51,173..................... 41,850
AMSTERDAM..................................... 46,107..................... 91,455
DALAMAN.......................................... 44,810..................... 33,863
PAPHOS.............................................. 42,995..................... 36,177
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 42,195...................... 54,507
DUBAI................................................ 40,613...................... 82,959
SANFORD.......................................... 37,447....................... 6,627
LARNACA........................................... 37,371...................... 19,620
GATWICK........................................... 35,662....................... 1
ARRECIFE........................................... 33,031....................... 43,763
ORLANDO.......................................... 31,825....................... 51,126
FRANKFURT....................................... 29,565....................... 37,955
LAS PALMAS...................................... 27,018....................... 32,381
MALTA............................................... 26,710....................... 20,772
SHARM EL SHEIK................................ 26,242....................... 0
CHICAGO (O'HARE)............................ 23,398........................ 8,123
BODRUM............................................ 22,362....................... 7,630
IBIZA................................................... 22,297....................... 25,048
BELFAST CITY...................................... 21,243....................... No Data

CAA are statistics for October are provisional.


Manchester Statistics - October 2017 (Part 6)

Major changes to Domestic traffic

Edinburgh - 9,236 +11.82952%
Glasgow - 5,992 +69.64892
Newquay - 8,179 +45.19794

Guess MON gone helps a lot but in fairness they have accepted a lot more this year than in 2016.

I can't imagine the numbering sequence is an accident...

Virgin Atlantic site now shows A330-200 on the bookings, and seat selection shows it will retain a full Air Berlin cabin during its initial March-May flights.

Chaps you might be reading a tad too much into the Cathay flight numbers. It’s literally just gone daily after changing to a *smaller* aircraft. Great to see Cathay back but I’d want to see them defend what they’ve taken on, as a business, they see growth more in Dragon than mainline which continues to almost bleed brand new equipment to across KA.
They’ve really gone for it recently with a fifth LHR being joined by daily MAN and relaunching LGW. That’s a LOT of additional capacity.

CX. Not to mention a new DUB service. I am pretty sure I've read very recently that CX were going to 10 weekly from Dec 2018 with the 3 extra services arriving 1715 & departing 2015, however, I haven't seen that from a direct source (yet). I'll be in HKG later this week- so maybe I can find a source over there (?)

The 11 weekly flights start 6th November with evening flights Tue/Thu/Fri/Sat.