1st A350-1000 due at MAN Saturday, for those interested, by all accounts it will only fit on 1 stand at the moment, so that could be interesting!
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Manchester Statistics - October 2018
Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown. No new destinations were served in October 2018 Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures) Amsterdam - 1,024,292 passengers Dubai - 1,015,907 passengers Two domestic statistics are currently missing from the CAA report for October. Belfast City, and Inverness are yet to provide figures Total passengers for these routes in 2017 were 24,847 - although the CAA site currently shows 66 passengers to Belfast City in October 2018. Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics Monthly passengers - 2,547,855 +5.96% Annual Total - 19,123,190 +0.73%% Moving Annual Total - 28,033,344 +1.06% Monthly Movements - 18,192 +2.05% Annual Movements - 130,950 -1.75% Moving Annual Movements - 200,495 -1.84% Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers https://i.ibb.co/RHnD4wz/Screenshot-98.png Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase. https://i.ibb.co/MNwNfnF/Screenshot-99.png Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic. https://i.ibb.co/WVJV6FR/Screenshot-100.png Comparison of top 25 destinations - October 2008 versus October 2018 https://i.ibb.co/tJRNKDq/Screenshot-102.png Major changes to Domestic traffic https://i.ibb.co/XtDs4xJ/Screenshot-103.png Belfast City and Inverness, have not reported figures for October. CAA statistics for October are provisional. |
Originally Posted by chaps1954
(Post 10320557)
The actual terminal is to come down but piers B and C are to remain
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...therefore once T1 is demolished there is considerable space to extend the main building of T3 and that 2 additional piers can be extended from T3 parallel with those of T2. Dreams, I know but logically could it work? |
They're spending £1Bn & that monstrosity that is pier B is staying ? Really? B & C both need to go.
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Laudamotion
Saw a post on another forum a couple of weeks ago saying that VIE-MAN would be added for summer 2019 operating Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday, however I can't find anything on the website. anyone know more? |
With three good airlines already on the route, would we need a 4th with what 10k pax per month? Highly doubt it
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ETIHAD
Looks like 787-10 will be coming soon! https://twitter.com/Airlineroute ETIHAD's 787-10 Dreamliner to serve Manchester on permanent basis from 01FEB19. For summer schedule from 31MAR19, service operated by 787-9 and -10, 1 daily each, instead of 787-9 and 777-300ER Regards 4ea0 replies 8 retweets 12 likes |
Some ETD 787-10 on various MAN flights from 8th December
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Air France re-absorbing Joon back into mainline.
So MAN will retain AF. |
Originally Posted by 160to4DME
(Post 10324000)
Air France re-absorbing Joon back into mainline.
So MAN will retain AF. |
Good to see United finally upsizing its Newark service for next summer, with a 767-300ER from 30 March, and 767-400ER from 22 May.
Source: Routesonline |
15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold..... I'll leave it there. |
Interesting observation. On one hand business are purported to be reducing business-class travel, yet business class cabins seem full. There are very limited seats for points redemption (BA release just 2 per long-haul flight). Is it the premium leisure traveller? I’m thinking of the 50/60+ with paid off mortgages, defined benifit pensions and kids through uni? |
Originally Posted by FFMAN
(Post 10329903)
15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold..... I'll leave it there. I'm sure the massive development of the city centre has increased the number of business types in and out of the area - did you know....there are over 60 cranes up in the city centre Crane spotting |
72 cranes the other day in city centre alone
Ian |
Originally Posted by Betablockeruk
(Post 10330117)
Will be interesting to know which flights?
I'm sure the massive development of the city centre has increased the number of business types in and out of the area - did you know....there are over 60 cranes up in the city centre Crane spotting Unscientific observations but I would say yes there are a few wealthy leisure flyers up front but there always has been. You'll find that front cabins on the full service airlines are still predominently business orientated if you end up chatting in the bars on those airlines that have social areas. It does seem that Manchester (the place) is booming though so no doubt that is a contributory factor.. |
The number of cranes is always a good indicator of a booming city https://www.intelligenthq.com/social...onomic-growth/
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It's alright saying 'we have non-stop flights to Los Angeles' but if they only go for a few weeks in the summer, they're not much better than holiday charter flights |
Quote : It's alright saying 'we have non-stop flights to Los Angeles' but if they only go for a few weeks in the summer, they're not much better than holiday charter flights
LAX is served for the full six months from May to end of October at 3 x per week this year and next year at 5x per week with MT and Virgin both on the route. About 10% of the MT MAN-LAX passengers are transferring over MAN from Europe and the UK with a number of code-shares. VS will be similar. At LAX with an MT ticket you can connect on to Jet Blue. So, yes it is seasonal for now, as is the trend for North America generally, but it is providing a regular scheduled service with a premium cabin and network connectivity. No frequent flyer etc but a whole lot more than a charter. Worth remembering that until 2016 we had no service at all to the US West Coast. |
Didn't really mean to pick on any particular route but just pointing out that whilst there is good choice of routes and service in the summer there is very little to be had in the winter. Sadly that doesn't cut it for business. I suspect the lack of choice in November placed me in the position of ending up flying stateside in economy when I (or rather the client) was prepared to pay for Business....but it wasn't available. Not good for business if you'll pardon the pun.
Also both TCX and VS tend to reserve a lot of their capacity in the premium cabins for their 'holiday' customers thus restricting the available space for pure airline customers. Worth remembering that until 2016 we had no service at all to the US West Coast. |
What have we done to upset Spicejet ?
There we were bumbling along nicely having had Spicejet appear 3 times delivering their new B737MAX's through Man, now all of a sudden, they are using Prestwick, with the last two transiting through there. Have we turned them away " due lack of space", or have they gone to somewhere with less hassle ? If it's the former, then it's a poor show yet again and will only get worse as the increase in airlines operating appears to be outpacing Stands available. One example as I understand it, is that Ryanair are finding it difficult to introduce more aircraft because of lack of Stands on T3 (Some may say good). I just say pretty poor planning by those in charge. Yet another example of infrastructure in this part of the UK not keeping pace with development. All well and good increasing terminal capacity but not if you can't park your aeroplanes ! |
I don't know about SpiceJet but Ryanair, or so I believe, is not just stand availability but also capacity within T3 and that problem is nor going to go away overnight (unless we suddenly lose flybe - which would be a disaster).
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Originally Posted by FFMAN
(Post 10329903)
15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold..... I'll leave it there. Looking to get to Nashville in in January was over £5K from Manchester - go to London and the same dates were £2.2K - so hopefully the temporary lack of capacity won't kill off the demand. |
Originally Posted by Adola69
(Post 10331412)
What have we done to upset Spicejet ?
There we were bumbling along nicely having had Spicejet appear 3 times delivering their new B737MAX's through Man, now all of a sudden, they are using Prestwick, with the last two transiting through there. Have we turned them away " due lack of space", or have they gone to somewhere with less hassle ? If it's the former, then it's a poor show yet again and will only get worse as the increase in airlines operating appears to be outpacing Stands available. One example as I understand it, is that Ryanair are finding it difficult to introduce more aircraft because of lack of Stands on T3 (Some may say good). I just say pretty poor planning by those in charge. Yet another example of infrastructure in this part of the UK not keeping pace with development. All well and good increasing terminal capacity but not if you can't park your aeroplanes ! I'm very sure they went where the fuel is cheap and you can park right by the door. |
Originally Posted by Nomoresteerage
(Post 10332488)
Bear in mind the huge capacity reductions going West for VS over the winter season - only 14 seats to either ATL or JFK daily over the winter season.
Looking to get to Nashville in in January was over £5K from Manchester - go to London and the same dates were £2.2K - so hopefully the temporary lack of capacity won't kill off the demand. I'm looking for alternative options for the next stateside trip (actually working on the SQ/UA option even though it would be self connect) |
Since Delta stopped - I use KLM for any westbound winter trips.
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Unfortunately I have a logic breakdown going in the opposite direction first. Besides it seems every time I get offered the KLM connection it involves getting that ridiculous 5.55am departure. No thanks.
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BA schedule for summer 19 reduced down to 6 daily Mon-Fri. BA1395 and BA1403 departures dropped. Surprising regarding the BA1403 as that's usually very premium heavy.
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Originally Posted by The96er
(Post 10332883)
BA schedule for summer 19 reduced down to 6 daily Mon-Fri. BA1395 and BA1403 departures dropped. Surprising regarding the BA1403 as that's usually very premium heavy.
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From memory BA reached a peak of about 12 weakday departures on man-lhr flights
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Since I've not seen an OAN having been issued for this change, although OAN 126/2018 is currently missing, I thought I would include details from the relevant NOTAM
Q) EGTT/QMXCL/IV/M/A/000/999/5321N00217W005 B) FROM: 18/12/10 16:00C) TO: 19/03/10 06:00E) TWY NA HAS RELOCATED 82M NORTH OF OLD LOCATION. TWY IS UNLIT. FOLLOW ME PROVIDED HN AND DURING LOW VIS OPS My understanding of this amendment is that the airport is temporarily using the new Pier One taxiway Kilo but under the old taxiway name. Any thoughts from anyone - maybe Roverman? |
Originally Posted by Scottie Dog
(Post 10333329)
Since I've not seen an OAN having been issued for this change, although OAN 126/2018 is currently missing, I thought I would include details from the relevant NOTAM
Q) EGTT/QMXCL/IV/M/A/000/999/5321N00217W005 B) FROM: 18/12/10 16:00C) TO: 19/03/10 06:00E) TWY NA HAS RELOCATED 82M NORTH OF OLD LOCATION. TWY IS UNLIT. FOLLOW ME PROVIDED HN AND DURING LOW VIS OPS My understanding of this amendment is that the airport is temporarily using the new Pier One taxiway Kilo but under the old taxiway name. Any thoughts from anyone - maybe Roverman? OAN 118. I agree with your assessment based on what has been said because I don't think Kilo will be complete before the new November Alpha comes into use. |
Originally Posted by viscount702
(Post 10333376)
Hi Scottie.
OAN 118. I agree with your assessment based on what has been said because I don't think Kilo will be complete before the new November Alpha comes into use. |
American Airlines plans Boeing 787 Philadelphia service in W19
Philadelphia – Manchester eff 03NOV19 787-8 replaces A330-200 (767 operates from 03OCT19 to 02NOV19) |
Originally Posted by comet 4b623PW
(Post 10333019)
From memory BA reached a peak of about 12 weakday departures on man-lhr flights
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Originally Posted by MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA
(Post 10333847)
If I remember correctly the peak 'Shuttle' was 12 per day plus back ups on the early morning and some evening flights
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Originally Posted by FFMAN
(Post 10332538)
Yep - I don't understand the Virgin policy. The 747 is the wrong plane in the winter. Waaay too much rear end capacity and not enough front end. The 14 UC seats in the Jumbo is around half (?) what you get in the A330 and for that matter the Delta 767s that used to run those routes. In my regular experience of both types, they didn't have any difficulty more or less filling them. They are suppressing their own demand...a strange business model.
I'm looking for alternative options for the next stateside trip (actually working on the SQ/UA option even though it would be self connect) For what it's worth, I was on VS127 on 23rd November and VS128 on the 28th, both flights had just under 400 passengers plus crew. It was noticeable whilst waiting for bags at MAN how many cases were for passengers who had connected at JFK off DL flights. |
Originally Posted by BHX5DME
(Post 10333949)
The frequency was always going to decrease as Manchester gets more and more long haul operators (Ethiopian & Jet for example), I can see the shuttle going completely at some point as MAN continues to attract new airlines and HS2 come online, also BA can use the valuable LHR slots to start additional routes ex LHR
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