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spannersatcx 27th Nov 2018 14:06

1st A350-1000 due at MAN Saturday, for those interested, by all accounts it will only fit on 1 stand at the moment, so that could be interesting!

Scottie Dog 27th Nov 2018 20:56

Manchester Statistics - October 2018

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

No new destinations were served in October 2018

Million passenger routes (Rolling annual figures)
Amsterdam - 1,024,292 passengers
Dubai - 1,015,907 passengers

Two domestic statistics are currently missing from the CAA report for October.
Belfast City, and Inverness are yet to provide figures

Total passengers for these routes in 2017 were 24,847 - although the CAA site currently shows 66 passengers to Belfast City in October 2018.

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics/MAG statistics

Monthly passengers - 2,547,855 +5.96%
Annual Total - 19,123,190 +0.73%%
Moving Annual Total - 28,033,344 +1.06%

Monthly Movements - 18,192 +2.05%
Annual Movements - 130,950 -1.75%
Moving Annual Movements - 200,495 -1.84%

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers

https://i.ibb.co/RHnD4wz/Screenshot-98.png

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.

https://i.ibb.co/MNwNfnF/Screenshot-99.png

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

https://i.ibb.co/WVJV6FR/Screenshot-100.png

Comparison of top 25 destinations - October 2008 versus October 2018

https://i.ibb.co/tJRNKDq/Screenshot-102.png

Major changes to Domestic traffic

https://i.ibb.co/XtDs4xJ/Screenshot-103.png

Belfast City and Inverness, have not reported figures for October.

CAA statistics for October are provisional.

MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA 28th Nov 2018 07:09


Originally Posted by chaps1954 (Post 10320557)
The actual terminal is to come down but piers B and C are to remain

I can't see how piers B and C from T1 can remain, from the pictures shown Pier D on T2 will extend out to the satellite of Pier C on T1. From looking at Google Earth the centreline of T2 would extend directly to the main building of T3, therefore once T1 is demolished there is considerable space to extend the main building of T3 and that 2 additional piers can be extended from T3 parallel with those of T2. Dreams, I know but logically could it work?

TURIN 28th Nov 2018 21:24


...therefore once T1 is demolished there is considerable space to extend the main building of T3 and that 2 additional piers can be extended from T3 parallel with those of T2. Dreams, I know but logically could it work?
I think that was the prefered option but was deamed too expensive and disruptive.

Mr A Tis 29th Nov 2018 08:50

They're spending £1Bn & that monstrosity that is pier B is staying ? Really? B & C both need to go.

jfy1999 29th Nov 2018 11:02

Laudamotion
 
Saw a post on another forum a couple of weeks ago saying that VIE-MAN would be added for summer 2019 operating Tuesday/Thursday/Saturday, however I can't find anything on the website.

anyone know more?

FFMAN 29th Nov 2018 13:47

With three good airlines already on the route, would we need a 4th with what 10k pax per month? Highly doubt it

fjencl 29th Nov 2018 14:16

https://ifn.news/posts/small-planet-...y-authorities/

4eyed anorak 29th Nov 2018 16:40

ETIHAD

Looks like 787-10 will be coming soon!

https://twitter.com/Airlineroute
ETIHAD's 787-10 Dreamliner to serve Manchester on permanent basis from 01FEB19. For summer schedule from 31MAR19, service operated by 787-9 and -10, 1 daily each, instead of 787-9 and 777-300ER
0 replies 8 retweets 12 likes
Regards 4ea

Suzeman 29th Nov 2018 17:33

Some ETD 787-10 on various MAN flights from 8th December

160to4DME 29th Nov 2018 21:12

Air France re-absorbing Joon back into mainline.

So MAN will retain AF.

roverman 29th Nov 2018 22:32


Originally Posted by 160to4DME (Post 10324000)
Air France re-absorbing Joon back into mainline.

So MAN will retain AF.

Magnifique! I remember the last ever AF Caravelle operating AF962/963 in March 1981 as the type was retired from the fleet. Ear-piercing RR Avons and that classic paint scheme which was never updated like the B727s which replaced it. AF are one of MAN's longest continuously-running flag carriers. Vive la France mais 'Non' a Joon! Pardon my French.

Logohu 1st Dec 2018 06:35

Good to see United finally upsizing its Newark service for next summer, with a 767-300ER from 30 March, and 767-400ER from 22 May.
Source: Routesonline


FFMAN 7th Dec 2018 01:55

15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold.....
I'll leave it there.

brian_dromey 7th Dec 2018 08:09

Interesting observation. On one hand business are purported to be reducing business-class travel, yet business class cabins seem full. There are very limited seats for points redemption (BA release just 2 per long-haul flight). Is it the premium leisure traveller? I’m thinking of the 50/60+ with paid off mortgages, defined benifit pensions and kids through uni?

Betablockeruk 7th Dec 2018 09:23


Originally Posted by FFMAN (Post 10329903)
15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold.....
I'll leave it there.

Will be interesting to know which flights?

I'm sure the massive development of the city centre has increased the number of business types in and out of the area - did you know....there are over 60 cranes up in the city centre Crane spotting

chaps1954 7th Dec 2018 09:31

72 cranes the other day in city centre alone

Ian

FFMAN 7th Dec 2018 11:13


Originally Posted by Betablockeruk (Post 10330117)
Will be interesting to know which flights?

I'm sure the massive development of the city centre has increased the number of business types in and out of the area - did you know....there are over 60 cranes up in the city centre Crane spotting

I'll just say that one was going east and one was going west. I was surprised at the Westbound tbh but then I reflected for a while and realized that actually there are pretty limited options going that way in the winter months for full service flying. If the airport is to be taken seriously as a true gateway going forward, that will have to change. It's alright saying 'we have non-stop flights to Los Angeles' but if they only go for a few weeks in the summer, they're not much better than holiday charter flights

Unscientific observations but I would say yes there are a few wealthy leisure flyers up front but there always has been. You'll find that front cabins on the full service airlines are still predominently business orientated if you end up chatting in the bars on those airlines that have social areas. It does seem that Manchester (the place) is booming though so no doubt that is a contributory factor..

pabely 7th Dec 2018 11:39

The number of cranes is always a good indicator of a booming city https://www.intelligenthq.com/social...onomic-growth/

Betablockeruk 7th Dec 2018 12:12


It's alright saying 'we have non-stop flights to Los Angeles' but if they only go for a few weeks in the summer, they're not much better than holiday charter flights
100% agree - last month, managed to get £385 return on NZ and the trains behaved, but would happily pay the extra to avoid the stress.

roverman 7th Dec 2018 16:22

Quote : It's alright saying 'we have non-stop flights to Los Angeles' but if they only go for a few weeks in the summer, they're not much better than holiday charter flights


LAX is served for the full six months from May to end of October at 3 x per week this year and next year at 5x per week with MT and Virgin both on the route. About 10% of the MT MAN-LAX passengers are transferring over MAN from Europe and the UK with a number of code-shares. VS will be similar. At LAX with an MT ticket you can connect on to Jet Blue. So, yes it is seasonal for now, as is the trend for North America generally, but it is providing a regular scheduled service with a premium cabin and network connectivity. No frequent flyer etc but a whole lot more than a charter. Worth remembering that until 2016 we had no service at all to the US West Coast.

FFMAN 8th Dec 2018 00:04

Didn't really mean to pick on any particular route but just pointing out that whilst there is good choice of routes and service in the summer there is very little to be had in the winter. Sadly that doesn't cut it for business. I suspect the lack of choice in November placed me in the position of ending up flying stateside in economy when I (or rather the client) was prepared to pay for Business....but it wasn't available. Not good for business if you'll pardon the pun.

Also both TCX and VS tend to reserve a lot of their capacity in the premium cabins for their 'holiday' customers thus restricting the available space for pure airline customers.


Worth remembering that until 2016 we had no service at all to the US West Coast.
There still isn't for most of the year

Adola69 8th Dec 2018 23:47

What have we done to upset Spicejet ?

There we were bumbling along nicely having had Spicejet appear 3 times delivering their new B737MAX's through Man, now all of a sudden, they are using Prestwick,
with the last two transiting through there.

Have we turned them away " due lack of space", or have they gone to somewhere with less hassle ?

If it's the former, then it's a poor show yet again and will only get worse as the increase in airlines operating appears to be outpacing Stands available.

One example as I understand it, is that Ryanair are finding it difficult to introduce more aircraft because of lack of Stands on T3 (Some may say good). I just say pretty poor planning by those in charge.

Yet another example of infrastructure in this part of the UK not keeping pace with development. All well and good increasing terminal capacity but not if you can't park your aeroplanes !

Scottie Dog 9th Dec 2018 08:12

I don't know about SpiceJet but Ryanair, or so I believe, is not just stand availability but also capacity within T3 and that problem is nor going to go away overnight (unless we suddenly lose flybe - which would be a disaster).

Nomoresteerage 10th Dec 2018 12:45


Originally Posted by FFMAN (Post 10329903)
15-20 years ago flying business class ex MAN could be a relatively lonely experience.....
Twice in the last month, I've not been able to get seats up front on the flights I wanted due to them all being sold.....
I'll leave it there.

Bear in mind the huge capacity reductions going West for VS over the winter season - only 14 seats to either ATL or JFK daily over the winter season.
Looking to get to Nashville in in January was over £5K from Manchester - go to London and the same dates were £2.2K - so hopefully the temporary lack of capacity won't kill off the demand.

boredintheairport 10th Dec 2018 14:08


Originally Posted by Adola69 (Post 10331412)
What have we done to upset Spicejet ?

There we were bumbling along nicely having had Spicejet appear 3 times delivering their new B737MAX's through Man, now all of a sudden, they are using Prestwick,
with the last two transiting through there.

Have we turned them away " due lack of space", or have they gone to somewhere with less hassle ?

If it's the former, then it's a poor show yet again and will only get worse as the increase in airlines operating appears to be outpacing Stands available.

One example as I understand it, is that Ryanair are finding it difficult to introduce more aircraft because of lack of Stands on T3 (Some may say good). I just say pretty poor planning by those in charge.

Yet another example of infrastructure in this part of the UK not keeping pace with development. All well and good increasing terminal capacity but not if you can't park your aeroplanes !

Why the use of personal language 'we'? Why the personal investment as though it's a personal affront?

I'm very sure they went where the fuel is cheap and you can park right by the door.

FFMAN 10th Dec 2018 14:21


Originally Posted by Nomoresteerage (Post 10332488)
Bear in mind the huge capacity reductions going West for VS over the winter season - only 14 seats to either ATL or JFK daily over the winter season.
Looking to get to Nashville in in January was over £5K from Manchester - go to London and the same dates were £2.2K - so hopefully the temporary lack of capacity won't kill off the demand.

Yep - I don't understand the Virgin policy. The 747 is the wrong plane in the winter. Waaay too much rear end capacity and not enough front end. The 14 UC seats in the Jumbo is around half (?) what you get in the A330 and for that matter the Delta 767s that used to run those routes. In my regular experience of both types, they didn't have any difficulty more or less filling them. They are suppressing their own demand...a strange business model.
I'm looking for alternative options for the next stateside trip (actually working on the SQ/UA option even though it would be self connect)

Mr A Tis 10th Dec 2018 14:27

Since Delta stopped - I use KLM for any westbound winter trips.

FFMAN 10th Dec 2018 17:12

Unfortunately I have a logic breakdown going in the opposite direction first. Besides it seems every time I get offered the KLM connection it involves getting that ridiculous 5.55am departure. No thanks.

The96er 10th Dec 2018 23:57

BA schedule for summer 19 reduced down to 6 daily Mon-Fri. BA1395 and BA1403 departures dropped. Surprising regarding the BA1403 as that's usually very premium heavy.

Blakedean 11th Dec 2018 00:22


Originally Posted by The96er (Post 10332883)
BA schedule for summer 19 reduced down to 6 daily Mon-Fri. BA1395 and BA1403 departures dropped. Surprising regarding the BA1403 as that's usually very premium heavy.

Anyone know what the peak number of daily flights BA had to Heathrow was?

comet 4b623PW 11th Dec 2018 07:24

From memory BA reached a peak of about 12 weakday departures on man-lhr flights

Scottie Dog 11th Dec 2018 16:09

Since I've not seen an OAN having been issued for this change, although OAN 126/2018 is currently missing, I thought I would include details from the relevant NOTAM

Q) EGTT/QMXCL/IV/M/A/000/999/5321N00217W005
B) FROM: 18/12/10 16:00C) TO: 19/03/10 06:00E) TWY NA HAS RELOCATED 82M NORTH OF OLD LOCATION. TWY IS UNLIT. FOLLOW
ME PROVIDED HN AND DURING LOW VIS OPS

My understanding of this amendment is that the airport is temporarily using the new Pier One taxiway Kilo but under the old taxiway name.

Any thoughts from anyone - maybe Roverman?

viscount702 11th Dec 2018 17:13


Originally Posted by Scottie Dog (Post 10333329)
Since I've not seen an OAN having been issued for this change, although OAN 126/2018 is currently missing, I thought I would include details from the relevant NOTAM

Q) EGTT/QMXCL/IV/M/A/000/999/5321N00217W005
B) FROM: 18/12/10 16:00C) TO: 19/03/10 06:00E) TWY NA HAS RELOCATED 82M NORTH OF OLD LOCATION. TWY IS UNLIT. FOLLOW
ME PROVIDED HN AND DURING LOW VIS OPS

My understanding of this amendment is that the airport is temporarily using the new Pier One taxiway Kilo but under the old taxiway name.

Any thoughts from anyone - maybe Roverman?

Hi Scottie.

OAN 118. I agree with your assessment based on what has been said because I don't think Kilo will be complete before the new November Alpha comes into use.

roverman 11th Dec 2018 17:48


Originally Posted by viscount702 (Post 10333376)
Hi Scottie.

OAN 118. I agree with your assessment based on what has been said because I don't think Kilo will be complete before the new November Alpha comes into use.

N-A is the temporary designator for Kilo until that is released from its present duties at Re-designation Phase 2 in early 2020. The N-A designator is then redundant. It has escaped media attention but the taxiway brought into use yesterday is the first genuinely new piece of airfield concrete (at least part of it is) of the MAN-TP development.

Betablockeruk 12th Dec 2018 09:10

American Airlines plans Boeing 787 Philadelphia service in W19


Philadelphia – Manchester eff 03NOV19 787-8 replaces A330-200 (767 operates from 03OCT19 to 02NOV19)
Credit @Airlineroute

MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA 12th Dec 2018 10:15


Originally Posted by comet 4b623PW (Post 10333019)
From memory BA reached a peak of about 12 weakday departures on man-lhr flights

If I remember correctly the peak 'Shuttle' was 12 per day plus back ups on the early morning and some evening flights

BHX5DME 12th Dec 2018 12:21


Originally Posted by MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA (Post 10333847)
If I remember correctly the peak 'Shuttle' was 12 per day plus back ups on the early morning and some evening flights

The frequency was always going to decrease as Manchester gets more and more long haul operators (Ethiopian & Jet for example), I can see the shuttle going completely at some point as MAN continues to attract new airlines and HS2 come online, also BA can use the valuable LHR slots to start additional routes ex LHR

116d 12th Dec 2018 12:24


Originally Posted by FFMAN (Post 10332538)
Yep - I don't understand the Virgin policy. The 747 is the wrong plane in the winter. Waaay too much rear end capacity and not enough front end. The 14 UC seats in the Jumbo is around half (?) what you get in the A330 and for that matter the Delta 767s that used to run those routes. In my regular experience of both types, they didn't have any difficulty more or less filling them. They are suppressing their own demand...a strange business model.
I'm looking for alternative options for the next stateside trip (actually working on the SQ/UA option even though it would be self connect)

If it wasn't for the RR engine issues on the 787's, I suspect we wouldn't be seeing 747's operating MAN-JFK/ATL.

For what it's worth, I was on VS127 on 23rd November and VS128 on the 28th, both flights had just under 400 passengers plus crew. It was noticeable whilst waiting for bags at MAN how many cases were for passengers who had connected at JFK off DL flights.

TURIN 13th Dec 2018 12:11


Originally Posted by BHX5DME (Post 10333949)
The frequency was always going to decrease as Manchester gets more and more long haul operators (Ethiopian & Jet for example), I can see the shuttle going completely at some point as MAN continues to attract new airlines and HS2 come online, also BA can use the valuable LHR slots to start additional routes ex LHR

Well that's thirty years off so no worries.


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