Originally Posted by supermarine
(Post 10147438)
Looking fine on my computer, daily flights on the Qatar booking website. I really do not think there is a problem. Try again.
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10147711)
There is a problem. According to thier website they've taken an axe to the schedule 2 weeks after launching it! Embarrasing!
I am getting the same, 3 a week in June then back to 4 all summer and back to 3 a week in the winter. I was going to be mean and claim to have seen the minibus bringing the pax up to BHX for the departure but actually it seems a 50 seat coach would have done it!!!! To provide some balance BHX and EDI loads have been poor for ages so there is hope - just. Pete |
crikey whats the average load, does anyone know?
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Originally Posted by cwlwatcher
(Post 10147722)
crikey whats the average load, does anyone know?
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Originally Posted by HDP
(Post 10147986)
My father flew CWL-DOH last week and the economy cabin had 22 passengers. His return in November has a schedule change of +1 day due to the frequency reductions. Might end up flying back into LHR if it doesn't get better!
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10148023)
Did he fly in on a Tuesday? As it seems the morning flights have been cut.
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Be interesting to find out how many sun 'n sand economy pax have ever heard of Qatar or know where it is. Dubai they all know but the rest of the area??????
needs massive advertising and deals until word of mouth takes over |
Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
(Post 10148080)
Be interesting to find out how many sun 'n sand economy pax have ever heard of Qatar or know where it is. Dubai they all know but the rest of the area??????
needs massive advertising and deals until word of mouth takes over The negativity though isn't good for the airport as Cardiff is trying to shake off the negative image that it has. |
It looks like those cut frequencies have been restored.
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10148295)
It looks like those cut frequencies have been restored.
Centre cities |
Originally Posted by Centre cities
(Post 10148400)
Looks like 5 a week in he winter to me.
Centre cities |
Cardiff now appears on the Virgin Holidays website and they are selling holidays to the Far East, Middle East and Africa using Qatar Airways and KLM for the flights.
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Originally Posted by Heathrow Harry
(Post 10148080)
Be interesting to find out how many sun 'n sand economy pax have ever heard of Qatar or know where it is. Dubai they all know but the rest of the area??????
needs massive advertising and deals until word of mouth takes over Let's see how summer is. Keep in mind right now there are no school holidays for a good few weeks yet and people are not yet used to scheduled long haul from Wales. With the seats only being on sale for a few months prior to the launch, many people going to the places they may do so with QR will likely have booked a lot longer in advance with other carriers. Promoting or even expecting DOH to be a destination in itself is a bit of a stretch. Hardly anyone will go to DOH to holiday. I have had 2 (intentional) long stop overs there over the past 2 or so years, it's fine for a day or 2, but more than that and you're limited. But then DOH is not really sold as a holiday destination, even QR only promote it themselves as a stop over deal for a night or 2. The world cup may change that if more tourist orientated infrastructure is developed. That aside, I'm sure there are more than a few Welsh people working in Qatar who will now use this to come home, many of which may help sustain the J class seats. Cargo may develop into something big too with it cutting out a journey down the motorway from BHX or LON. It's far too early to judge the route IMO. |
I totally agree with edi local, it will more than likely take 9 to 12 months before we see what the passenger numbers will be. Majority of people book long haul travel 6 to 10 months in advance. |
.... but it was launched, advertised and bookable 6 months+ before first flight? |
Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10151103)
.... but it was launched, advertised and bookable 6 months+ before first flight? I honestly cannot believe the negativity on here surrounding QR/CWL. It's a huge boost for Wales and just because it's not been at 100% capacity for the first few weeks people are on a downer. Things take time to gain a foothold! If it was up to some of you I genuinely think you'd have had them packing up and shipping out a week after the launch. |
Well said !!! Totally agree with you |
Originally Posted by edi_local
(Post 10152806)
Doesn't change the fact that as of yet QR have not yet been at CWL for the peak season. That is still yet to happen. In a few weeks when the schools are out, the figures will climb. There will be a dip once the school holidays are over, another spike in October and then November is a traditionally dead month for leisure travel from the UK before the Christmas and New Year peak again. That is generally how it goes in this country, but no doubt people will be screaming about low figures again come Autumn.
I honestly cannot believe the negativity on here surrounding QR/CWL. It's a huge boost for Wales and just because it's not been at 100% capacity for the first few weeks people are on a downer. Things take time to gain a foothold! If it was up to some of you I genuinely think you'd have had them packing up and shipping out a week after the launch. The CEO QR has looked at this for numerous years, he should be applauded for having the vision to take this decision. |
What was the story about Winter QR frequency ? Can only seem to book on 4 days looking in November |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10153098)
What was the story about Winter QR frequency ? Can only seem to book on 4 days looking in November |
What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00? Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights. Any have any ideas ? |
Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
(Post 10154924)
What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00? Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights. Any have any ideas ? |
Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
(Post 10154924)
What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00? Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights. Any have any ideas ? |
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
(Post 10154924)
What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00? Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights. Any have any ideas ? |
Interesting read on the BBC, new domestic flights being explored from CWL......MAN, LBA, ABZ, NQY, GLA, HUY, NWI, INV and a London link again.....all as PSO routes (without the APD) tax. its stating from Spring 2019 subject to attracting airlines.....no doubt J31, J41, SF3 & D38 sized aircraft...interesting read though. Going over old ground again but Wales need to control the APD as Scotland currently does then this will benefit the country (Wales) and CWL |
Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
(Post 10155847)
Going over old ground again but Wales need to control the APD as Scotland currently does then this will benefit the country (Wales) and CWL |
Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10155907)
Scotland doesn't
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Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
(Post 10155847)
Interesting read on the BBC, new domestic flights being explored from CWL......MAN, LBA, ABZ, NQY, GLA, HUY, NWI, INV and a London link again.....all as PSO routes (without the APD) tax. its stating from Spring 2019 subject to attracting airlines.....no doubt J31, J41, SF3 & D38 sized aircraft...interesting read though. Going over old ground again but Wales need to control the APD as Scotland currently does then this will benefit the country (Wales) and CWL |
Originally Posted by fjencl
(Post 10156324)
Starting in Spring 2019 it will be interesting to see what airlines come forward to operate all these services.
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Originally Posted by bycrewlgw
(Post 10156358)
even with the lack of APD and the ‘modest marketing budget’ surely there’s no market for some of these flights? Aberdeen, Manchester maybe Leeds but come on Humberside? Norwich? If London can’t work even with APD then I can’t see the others even without. |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10156519)
The only way i could see Humberside and Norwich being viable is if Flybe sold them as positioning flights to operate sun routes out of those airports which they currently do with Exeter and Norwich.
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Originally Posted by Jay Sata
(Post 10156933)
Who would want to fly from Rhoose to Humberside or Norwich? |
Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
(Post 10154924)
What’s with the Atlas Air flight to Chicago (ORD) that’s showing on the airport departure board for 28/05/2018 at 02:00? Atlas Air are primarily a cargo airline but they do also operate some charter / adhoc flights. Any have any ideas ? |
Originally Posted by jon01
(Post 10157091)
B763 N767MW arrives on 26 May from Denver (evening)
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10157047)
I'm sure someone would. Last time Norwich operated i think it averaged about 700 people a month who used the service.
The route was not a success and handled (CAA stats) 130 passengers in April that year, 185 in May and 102 in June. It was then axed. https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business...newest-8518024 |
Originally Posted by MerchantVenturer
(Post 10157306)
In 2015 LinksAir that operated the Cardiff-Anglesey PSO route decided to extend it to Norwich (CWL-NWI sector non PSO). It operated one NWI rotation from CWL daily.
The route was not a success and handled (CAA stats) 130 passengers in April that year, 185 in May and 102 in June. It was then axed. https://www.dailypost.co.uk/business...newest-8518024 |
I find surprising that they should suggest a subsidised routes to GLA and ABZ when there is an unsubsidised route to EDI.
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10157316)
I'm sure i read in an article about them scrapping the route that they were only getting 700 passengers a month on the route and that wasn't making them money.
Air Wales tried a route from CWL via Norwich and Dublin for a while in late 2004 into 2005. It was only a couple of days a week from memory and a look at CAA stats showed it carried fewer than 600 passengers during 2005. |
Originally Posted by inOban
(Post 10157331)
I find surprising that they should suggest a subsidised routes to GLA and ABZ when there is an unsubsidised route to EDI.
Glasgow seems to go up and down with Flybe. One season it's daily then the next it goes 4 weekly and then 5 weekly. Scotland hasn't seen much growth from Flybe with EDI staying at 12 weekly at GLA up and down compared to Ireland where between Dublin and Belfast there has been growth in frequencies. If Flybe base a 4th aircraft then I'd have thought they'd or the WG would want to operate a route like Glasgow at 12 weekly and no doubt no APD would help with that. If they do add more Scottish flights i really hope Inverness gets included as well. |
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