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Reversethrustset 23rd Apr 2018 11:59

Hasn't the funding been discussed to death over the last 3 years? It isn't anything new.
Flybe have 4 x 175 deliveries this year into next year. CWL is performing very well and when the 195s go it'll be performing even better, the fact that the funding is helping massively is largely irrelevant, the time when it will matter is when the deal comes to an end in 7 years time, only then we'll see the strategy of both parties.

ATNotts 23rd Apr 2018 13:54


Originally Posted by Reversethrustset (Post 10127611)
Flybe have 4 x 175 deliveries this year into next year. CWL is performing very well and when the 195s go it'll be performing even better, the fact that the funding is helping massively is largely irrelevant, the time when it will matter is when the deal comes to an end in 7 years time, only then we'll see the strategy of both parties.

In point of fact, although FlyBe have orders for 4 additional E175s, only one, according to Jethros, is for delivery in 2019. The other 3 have no fixed delivery dates as yet, and have probably been deferred.

It has also been stated publicly that the current management at FlyBe is reducing it's fleet, and that can only impact less well performing routes. Whether any of these prove to effect Cardiff only time will tell. How anyone outside FlyBe can state categorically that the Cardiff base is doing well, or badly, is beyond me. Anyone with insider knowledge shouldn't be posting it here. Bums on seats aren't a measure of how well routes are doing, it's the revenue that is crucial. I wish CWL no ill will whatsoever, but sometimes allowing the head to over rule the heart is a good policy.

PDXCWL45 23rd Apr 2018 19:07


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10127718)
In point of fact, although FlyBe have orders for 4 additional E175s, only one, according to Jethros, is for delivery in 2019. The other 3 have no fixed delivery dates as yet, and have probably been deferred.

It has also been stated publicly that the current management at FlyBe is reducing it's fleet, and that can only impact less well performing routes. Whether any of these prove to effect Cardiff only time will tell. How anyone outside FlyBe can state categorically that the Cardiff base is doing well, or badly, is beyond me. Anyone with insider knowledge shouldn't be posting it here. Bums on seats aren't a measure of how well routes are doing, it's the revenue that is crucial. I wish CWL no ill will whatsoever, but sometimes allowing the head to over rule the heart is a good policy.

Can only look at the evidence on hand and that suggests the Flybe operation is growing and doing well. Only Flybe and the airport will have the finer details and they aren't going to release it to the likes of me!
As for the future only Flybe and the airport know IF they'll continue to add extra aircraft as was mentioned in a press article earlier in the year and what extra frequencies they'll add and what new routes if any they'll add or are looking to add. If i'm correct it'll be around September time that we'll find out if they are going to add a 4th aircraft and if they'll keep expanding.

Reversethrustset 25th Apr 2018 03:46

I wouldn't take what's posted on Jethro's as gospel for what happens in reality, after all, it's a 1 man band upgrading his website based on what information he gets. It's very good but there's nothing official about it so when you say they've probably been deferred, well that just proves the point I've just made, Jethro's doesn't know everything. It's almost as bad as going to Wikipedia for hard facts.
For the record, if you're referring to me personally (which you must be because you quoted me) how do you know I'm outside Flybe? Well I'm not, I've worked at Flybe for a long time and no insider or confidential information has ever been posted by myself. Stating CWL is performing well does not constitute posting sensitive information. If I told you the inner workings of the business then I'd agree with you, but to just say "it's performing well" doesn't matter one jot to anyone. Let's just say I know what I'm talking about regarding it performing well, how do I know this? I have been told by someone higher up, and the ONLY thing I was told is exactly that, it's performing well, those exact words, nothing more, nothing less. Also do you honestly believe I think the measure of performance is about bums on seats and not revenue, seriously? That's like telling a 50 year old how to cross a road.

yeo valley 25th Apr 2018 06:53

Guess we will find out rougly how they doing when funding runs out.

PDXCWL45 25th Apr 2018 07:08


Originally Posted by yeo valley (Post 10129486)
Guess we will find out rougly how they doing when funding runs out.

Why does everyone assume there is a continuous subsidy? It could just be a lump sum at the beginning of the deal.

Reversethrustset 25th Apr 2018 09:22

Well the deal has 7 years to run, so sit back a while. Remember too that the deal was for 2 aircraft, well it now has 3 and there's rumours of a 4th, so yes, it must be all about the funding why it's doing well. I'm pretty sure there's some sad and pathetic people on here that actually wants it to fail.

caaardiff 25th Apr 2018 09:35

No-one really knows the deal but the general perception is the WG are leasing 2 aircraft and have decided on the routes those aircraft will operate with a view of connecting South Wales to various cities with some extra capacity on 'sun' routes. Anything above that I would expect BE are operating on their own back with their own financial involvement. Given that it's grown to 3 and maybe soon 4 aircraft would give confidence that the routes BE are operating on their own merit have commercial viability and can work well in conjuntion with the other 'city' routes that may well be taking longer to mature. Yes the big question is what happens with those routes at the end of the deal, which is several years away.

SWBKCB 25th Apr 2018 10:35


No-one really knows the deal but the general perception is the WG are leasing 2 aircraft and have decided on the routes those aircraft will operate with a view of connecting South Wales to various cities with some extra capacity on 'sun' routes
Really? Would love to see the "state aid" justification for that approach.

caaardiff 25th Apr 2018 11:05

Given that it's been running for 3 years it doesn't seem to have been an issue so far...

PDXCWL45 26th Apr 2018 08:15

Icelandair from Akureyri is due in at 13.15 and it looks like its going to be a 757 200. It's then due to depart to Keflavik at 14.15
Nice to see something different at the airport !

Jersey32D 26th Apr 2018 13:20


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10130474)
Icelandair from Akureyri is due in at 13.15 and it looks like its going to be a 757 200. It's then due to depart to Keflavik at 14.15
Nice to see something different at the airport !

Atlantic Airways were in yesterday on a charter from Vagar with an A320.

PDXCWL45 26th Apr 2018 13:24


Originally Posted by Jersey32D (Post 10130731)
Atlantic Airways were in yesterday on a charter from Vagar with an A320.

They are back again on the 29th as well.

Severn 30th Apr 2018 23:42

First Qatar Airways flight to Cardiff
 
The first Qatar Airways flight from Doha to Cardiff (QR323) on Tuesday 1st May is scheduled to be on A7-ALU, A350-941XWB.
This particular aircraft is brand new, being delivered to Qatar only a week ago on the 24th April 2018. Since then it has been to Malé twice, Amman, Kuwait, Geneva and Zurich.
It is configured with 36 Business Class and 247 Economy seats. The B787-8 aircraft which will be used on the route going forward will have 22 Business Class and 232 Economy seats.

TOM100 1st May 2018 06:51

Wonder what the loads will be like ?

ATNotts 1st May 2018 07:05


Originally Posted by TOM100 (Post 10134880)
Wonder what the loads will be like ?

Whatever they are going forward one thing you can be sure of is that today's loads won't be a true indicator - probably hoards of politicians, dignitaries and journalists among the fare paying public.

PDXCWL45 1st May 2018 07:16


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10134887)
Whatever they are going forward one thing you can be sure of is that today's loads won't be a true indicator - probably hoards of politicians, dignitaries and journalists among the fare paying public.

Carwyn Jones, Alun Cairns and Roger Lewis are all on the inaugural flight. No doubt there'll be some Qatari dignitaries as well.

ATNotts 1st May 2018 07:43


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10134897)
Carwyn Jones, Alun Cairns and Roger Lewis are all on the inaugural flight. No doubt there'll be some Qatari dignitaries as well.

Plus "hangers on" from the tourist boards, travel industry, freight industry, key potential manufacturing cargo clients - wouldn't be surprised to see Simon Calder if he can find his way beyond the M25!

PDXCWL45 1st May 2018 07:53


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10134914)
Plus "hangers on" from the tourist boards, travel industry, freight industry, key potential manufacturing cargo clients - wouldn't be surprised to see Simon Calder if he can find his way beyond the M25!

If Calder turns up then Cardiff knows it's hit the big time! LOL

bycrewlgw 1st May 2018 08:11


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10134919)
If Calder turns up then Cardiff knows it's hit the big time! LOL

i hope not, he can stay there lol

PDXCWL45 1st May 2018 15:31

The first Cardiff to Doha flight took off ontime with just under 200 passengers onboard. Great seeing the A350 here! A lovely looking plane!

GayFriendly 1st May 2018 18:07

Well good luck CWL with QR. A new era for the airport.

Their LF's from BHX, EDI and even MAN have not exactly been stellar of late so I wouldn't worry too much about loads, it seems that QR operate quite differently to most other airlines in this respect. BHX (my local) has been stuck in and around the 70%-80% LF area for a while now.

LAX_LHR 2nd May 2018 08:27


Originally Posted by ATNotts (Post 10134914)
Plus "hangers on" from the tourist boards, travel industry, freight industry, key potential manufacturing cargo clients - wouldn't be surprised to see Simon Calder if he can find his way beyond the M25!

and no doubt the self appointed ‘worldwide influencer, airline analyst and travel expert’ Alex Macheras would have gotten a freebie too, as he hangs on the QR coat tails too.

Skipness One Echo 2nd May 2018 08:44


The B787-8 aircraft which will be used on the route going forward will have 22 Business Class and 232 Economy seats.
This shows how much faith QR have in the route that they didn't decide to launch with one of their more controversial "going backwards" aeroplanes.

canberra97 2nd May 2018 13:11

Qatar Inaugural Flight
 
Just out of curiosity does anyone know why the inaugural Qatar A350 flight didn't use an AirBridge rather than steps?

nsherrin15 2nd May 2018 13:45

Steps had always been planned for the inaugural flight for publicity purposes (pictures of staff, local politicians on stairs etc). The 788 that operated the flight today is currently attached to the airbridge!

canberra97 2nd May 2018 22:34

Thanks for the information it's appreciated.

VickersVicount 5th May 2018 12:02

Well how is QR service going after first few days? No hitches, anectdotal good loads?

PDXCWL45 5th May 2018 12:15


Originally Posted by VickersVicount (Post 10138709)
Well how is QR service going after first few days? No hitches, anectdotal good loads?

From what I've heard it seems to be doing ok. Cargo hold full, loads between 50 to 70% with good uptake in the business class cabin. Still early days and the route needs to mature which will take time but the early signs are positive.
Qatar and the airport also did a great video of the launch!
https://youtu.be/luuntlCstGg

flyerboy 6th May 2018 12:17

I really don't where you're getting your information but I'm afraid it's so wrong. I think you should wait until the statistics are published before you get too excited. At the moment your source is leading you up the garden path.

PDXCWL45 6th May 2018 12:24


Originally Posted by flyerboy (Post 10139464)
I really don't where you're getting your information but I'm afraid it's so wrong. I think you should wait until the statistics are published before you get too excited. At the moment your source is leading you up the garden path.

If you have info that i don't then would you care too share it?

bycrewlgw 7th May 2018 02:45


Originally Posted by PDXCWL45 (Post 10139468)
If you have info that i don't then would you care too share it?

Course he doesn’t, anyone who does have this info from the inside wouldn’t publish it on a forum. You only have to look at his previous posts to see that everything is doom and gloom.

shamrock7seal 7th May 2018 06:33

Doubt he is on the inside - he is crazy about BRS that's all.

I have no data but I believe that regional UK airports to Middle East is going to be a feature in the next few years. Just look at the capacity being offered from the main airports. Some overflow is bound to happen and should be sustainable.

Emirates, Turkish & Etihad could all be candidates for further UK regional growth only airport runway length will limit the potential.

PDXCWL45 7th May 2018 07:03

I think Qatar will launch Belfast eventually and i wouldn't be surprised if they launch a Yorkshire airport as well in the long term. I do think one of the attractions of Cardiff for Qatar is cargo so i believe that will be a factor in their decisions of which airports they'll look at.

Haldane90 7th May 2018 13:46


Originally Posted by shamrock7seal (Post 10139983)
Doubt he is on the inside - he is crazy about BRS that's all.

I have no data but I believe that regional UK airports to Middle East is going to be a feature in the next few years. Just look at the capacity being offered from the main airports. Some overflow is bound to happen and should be sustainable.

Emirates, Turkish & Etihad could all be candidates for further UK regional growth only airport runway length will limit the potential.

No chance Etihad will be flying to regional airports in the UK anytime soon IMO. The airline is undergoing cut backs worldwide including EDI and with the bad investment choices it made i cant see any signif expansion from them any time soon. Qatar and Turkish are best bet for regional airports with suitable aircraft.

I hope Qatar do well at Cardiff.

PDXCWL45 10th May 2018 11:50

The 1.5 million passengers mark has been reached.
www.cardiff-airport.com/news/2018/05/10/cardiff-airport-hits-1-5m-milestone/

PDXCWL45 15th May 2018 11:10

First Qatar diversion was this morning due to fog. It diverted to BHX and the outbound operated from there.

Severn 15th May 2018 11:52

Some very odd movements on the Qatar schedule/booking system currently.
I first looked at the website timetable which is only showing 5x weekly CWL-DOH as of the beginning of November (Mo, Tu, Th, Fr, Sa) up to the end of March. (Nothing bookable after that point). Wasn't this route supposed to be daily after mid-June onwards throughout the Summer and next Winter?
Then I decided to look for some test-bookings on the Qatar website and I can only seem to book direct flights from CWL-DOH 3x weekly (We, Fr, Sa) from now until 18th June, and then 4x weekly (Mo, We, Fr, Sa) onwards through the Summer until November.
From the 29th October it seems to go 3x weekly (Mo, Fr, Sa) through the Winter...
On the days where it's not going direct it is giving me the option of going via EDI with flybe.

Has anyone any insight into whats going on? If this is the case that the flights have been cut then my trip to Oz in November to and from CWL on a Thursday is going to be royally screwed...

supermarine 15th May 2018 13:36

Looking fine on my computer, daily flights on the Qatar booking website. I really do not think there is a problem. Try again.

Severn 15th May 2018 14:27


Originally Posted by supermarine (Post 10147438)
Looking fine on my computer, daily flights on the Qatar booking website. I really do not think there is a problem. Try again.

Then it's time to get a new computer.
Were you looking at the timetable maybe? Try booking a direct flight on the Qatar website on the 7th August, 9th August or 12th August..... these days do not have direct flights and instead offer a 1-stop via Edinburgh with Flybe.
Like I said, after the 18th June there are only 4x direct flights to DOH a week.


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