Originally Posted by Letsflycwl
(Post 10925217)
Be interesting to see EZY reaction I guess, they’ve more of less saved BRS and made it what it is today, so imagine they will not be impressed at all. First FR and now Jet2...... would be amazing to see some “W” patterns through CWL to test the water as a result of this and to threaten BRS after all they’ve invested and done for BRS.
That’s why airlines like easyJet, Ryanair, TUI and now Jet2 are prepared to operate a significant presence at a small airport site perched on top of a mist-laden hill, with a ski-jump size runway, poor surface connectivity in the middle of a Green Belt. Jet2 is partly a replacement for the former three-aircraft Thomas Cook operation anyway. TCX’s programme was never fully replaced by other airlines, especially its Greek and Turkish programme. As for easyJet saving BRS - it has certainly paid a major part in the airport's growth - but it had already been saved by the time GoFly (soon to be acquired by easyJet) arrived in 2001. The real saviour was a a charismatic individual called Les Wilson who was appointed MD in 1980 at a time when the city council-owned airport was a loss-making, economic basket case supported by the long-suffering Bristol rate payers, of whom I was one. There were periodic local demands for its closure in the 1960s and 1970s. Les, whose arrival might well have been the last throw of the dice, recognised the potential of the catchment, as incidentally did Barbara Cassani (Go’s CEO) and her team twenty years later, and set about turning around the airport’s fortunes. Tragically he was killed in a motoring accident in 1995. By 2000 the airport had been growing steadily for many years and passed the 2 mppa barrier that year with its only low-cost carrier being Ryanair to Dublin, that also operated a CWL-DUB service then. There should be no problem with aircraft parking at BRS next year. Five new stands have been built in the last few years, with more to come if the airport’s planning appeal is successful. Furthermore, the previously-based three Thomas Cook and five/six flybmi aircraft are now out of the picture, albeit larger aircraft could not use all the stands occupied by the small flybmi Embraers. BRS’s real problem will arise if it loses its planning appeal and is stuck with a 10 mppa cap indefinitely. Had the pandemic not intervened the BRS management was projecting the 10 million annual cap being reached by the end of 2021 - it had reached a 12-month rolling total of nearly 9.2 million in February this year before the virus made its presence felt. Perversely the pandemic might have helped BRS in the sense that it now has more time to ride out the appeal procedure, which could take a while, without the possibility of having to turn away business because its annual passenger cap had been reached. Ryanair and TUI began some expansion at CWL (and at EXT) pre-pandemic and but for the emergency that might well have continued. It still might once aviation begins to get back to normal, or even sooner if the Jet2 arrival really does lead to some adjustment in travel patterns across Severnside. In any case if BRS is permanently capped at its current level an entirely new scenario will emerge in the South Wales/South West England aviation sector within the next few years. The Welsh Government and its airport company will certainly be watching with great interest - they both formally objected to the BRS planning application that was rejected by the local authority early this year. |
Sadly for the planespotters there will be no non based airline operating for TUI for S21. The Monday PMI that was down as for a non based other airline has been shifted into the last evening slot on Mondays. I had hoped they'd go 3 weekly with TFS.
In summary 43 weekly departures 2 destinations lost Sharm el Sheikh and Naples, 3 based aircraft. For Summer 2020 i believe there was supposed to be 47 weekly departures. Palma de Mallorca 6 weekly Ibiza 3 weekly Dalaman 3 weekly Antalya 2 weekly Lanzarote 2 weekly Tenerife 2 weekly -1 weekly flight Malaga 2 weekly Alicante 2 weekly Rhodes 2 weekly Kos 2 weekly Corfu 2 weekly Menorca 2 weekly Paphos 2 weekly Zante 2 weekly Bourgas 1 weekly Larnaca 1 weekly Heraklion 1 weekly Keffalonia 1 weekly Gran Canaria 1 weekly -1 weekly flight Enfidha 1 weekly Reus 1 weekly Dubrovnik 1 weekly Faro 1 weekly |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10929807)
Sadly for the planespotters there will be no non based airline operating for TUI for S21. The Monday PMI that was down as for a non based other airline has been shifted into the last evening slot on Mondays. I had hoped they'd go 3 weekly with TFS.
In summary 43 weekly departures 2 destinations lost Sharm el Sheikh and Naples, 3 based aircraft. For Summer 2020 i believe there was supposed to be 47 weekly departures. Palma de Mallorca 6 weekly Ibiza 3 weekly Dalaman 3 weekly Antalya 2 weekly Lanzarote 2 weekly Tenerife 2 weekly -1 weekly flight Malaga 2 weekly Alicante 2 weekly Rhodes 2 weekly Kos 2 weekly Corfu 2 weekly Menorca 2 weekly Paphos 2 weekly Zante 2 weekly Bourgas 1 weekly Larnaca 1 weekly Heraklion 1 weekly Keffalonia 1 weekly Gran Canaria 1 weekly -1 weekly flight Enfidha 1 weekly Reus 1 weekly Dubrovnik 1 weekly Faro 1 weekly |
Originally Posted by CWL757
(Post 10929862)
Bittersweet really, whilst the non based was great for planespotters, it's good to see TUI purely using its own metal at CWL. It's also great to see the 3 a/c base is still happening, just a shame about SSH,NAP and The canaries being decreased though.
The loss of Egypt and the only Italian route is regrettable but I believe SSH is supposed to be operating in 2022 and hopefully when the cruise industry picks back up Naples will return. One good thing is that Dubrovnik wasn't cut as well. Hopefully in the long run we might see a 4th based aircraft eventually but for now 3 will do nicely! |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10930011)
It is a shame we won't see the likes of Freebird or Albastar or Norwegian next year but it's not surprising as considering everything going on with Covid19.
The loss of Egypt and the only Italian route is regrettable but I believe SSH is supposed to be operating in 2022 and hopefully when the cruise industry picks back up Naples will return. One good thing is that Dubrovnik wasn't cut as well. Hopefully in the long run we might see a 4th based aircraft eventually but for now 3 will do nicely! |
Originally Posted by yeo valley
(Post 10930072)
Reading on the BHX thread Norwegian wont be around next year.How true this is or someone jumping the gun i dont know,but time will tell.
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Do we know if TUI will be basing some SWG airframes here next year?
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Originally Posted by CWL757
(Post 10930180)
Do we know if TUI will be basing some SWG airframes here next year?
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max
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10930215)
If the Max is in service by then I doubt it.
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"English airports to benefit from new £100m covid support package"
https://t.co/qxz4WGcD9f It'll be interesting to see what the Welsh government does as this politically could untie their hands a bit in providing financial support for CWL. |
Vueling Alicante route is suspended from 7th January until 2nd March.
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10934003)
"English airports to benefit from new £100m covid support package"
https://t.co/qxz4WGcD9f It'll be interesting to see what the Welsh government does as this politically could untie their hands a bit in providing financial support for CWL. Plus CWL has always been in a positive position overall as they are publicly owned and therefore has the public purse on hand, unlike many other airports. Just a shame at this stage they have absolutely nothing to show for having this "upper hand". https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-loan-17843878 However, I would find it very difficult for Westminster to justify giving support to English airports that have multi-million/billion dollar offshore private owners... |
Originally Posted by fanrailuk
(Post 10934748)
The Senedd has always provided financial support to airlines in the form of "marketing" - or that's how they claim to have given the support in the past :rolleyes:
Plus CWL has always been in a positive position overall as they are publicly owned and therefore has the public purse on hand, unlike many other airports. Just a shame at this stage they have absolutely nothing to show for having this "upper hand". https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...-loan-17843878 However, I would find it very difficult for Westminster to justify giving support to English airports that have multi-million/billion dollar offshore private owners... The WG only has a marketing agreement with Qatar Airways. Any other agreements are between airport and airline. If Teesside is anything to go by maybe the WG will give the airport some sort of grant to pay their business rates for the year. |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10934770)
The Senedd hasn't ever given a penny to Cardiff Airport or airlines. The Welsh government has made a loan facility available to the airport as it's owner and has extended that most recently pre pandemic to which was going to used for things like runway resurfacing and replacement of ILS part of that money was diverted to be used by the airport for the pandemic. This loan is overseen by the Development bank of Wales and scrutinised by Senedd committees.
The WG only has a marketing agreement with Qatar Airways. Any other agreements are between airport and airline. If Teesside is anything to go by maybe the WG will give the airport some sort of grant to pay their business rates for the year. |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10934770)
The Senedd hasn't ever given a penny to Cardiff Airport or airlines. The Welsh government has made a loan facility available to the airport as it's owner and has extended that most recently pre pandemic to which was going to used for things like runway resurfacing and replacement of ILS part of that money was diverted to be used by the airport for the pandemic. This loan is overseen by the Development bank of Wales and scrutinised by Senedd committees.
The WG only has a marketing agreement with Qatar Airways. Any other agreements are between airport and airline. If Teesside is anything to go by maybe the WG will give the airport some sort of grant to pay their business rates for the year. |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10934770)
The Senedd hasn't ever given a penny to Cardiff Airport or airlines. The Welsh government has made a loan facility available to the airport as it's owner and has extended that most recently pre pandemic to which was going to used for things like runway resurfacing and replacement of ILS part of that money was diverted to be used by the airport for the pandemic. This loan is overseen by the Development bank of Wales and scrutinised by Senedd committees.
The WG only has a marketing agreement with Qatar Airways. Any other agreements are between airport and airline. If Teesside is anything to go by maybe the WG will give the airport some sort of grant to pay their business rates for the year. |
Originally Posted by caaardiff
(Post 10934808)
Didn't the WG effectively charter Flybe under the Blackbird agreement?
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Originally Posted by supermarine
(Post 10934841)
hahaha dream on.
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Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10934924)
No the deal was between the airport and the airline.
Regardless of who's name was on the contract, its about who was pulling the strings. |
Originally Posted by PDXCWL45
(Post 10934926)
Dream what? Do you want to dispute anything i said because it's all factually correct.
The Senedd hasn't ever given a penny to Cardiff Airport or airlines. The WG only has a marketing agreement with Qatar Airways. |
No the Senedd is the Parliament it's not the government.
Are people saying that the Palace of Westminster are giving £100 million of support to English airports. No because it's not the UK government is giving the money. Cardiff Airport has had money from the Welsh government in the form of a loan facility which has been increased over time. With the UK government giving money to English airports hopefully that'll mean the Welsh government will now consider doing the same with probability of less political fall out. |
I think you are splitting hairs - one way or another Parliament approves all Government expenditure. Conversley, Parliament has no way of giving money to anybody other than through the mechanism of government.
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Not splitting hairs. The Senedd does not own Cardiff Airport the Welsh government does. The Senedd overseas the Welsh government and it's action's and holds the WG accountable but it doesn't give money to the airport. That comes from the government.
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Wherever the money is coming from CWL needs some good news about routes. I said on another forum CWL was looking like a Teeside and was shot down - even Teeside is getting some good news
now ! I think any road to recovery is looking like a very long one without some creativity and aggression from the management team. Maybe they have something up their sleeve ? I still maintain that only FR can turn things around (quickly) once the vaccine (and hopefully recovery) gets rolled out. Still can’t see QR coming back - even if still on sale. |
I might not agree with PDXCWL45 about everything, but at least he can spell Teesside.... :ok:
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