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davidjohnson6 9th Jun 2018 11:42

Luton to Vigo has tickets on sale for the summer peak at Iberia's website

Falcon666 9th Jun 2018 12:01

Thanks David,
They must have gone on sale late and took a bit of finding in the search engines.

davidjohnson6 9th Jun 2018 12:17

Falcon - it has puzzled me as to why Air Nostrum would decide to put flights from Luton to Spain on sale so late in the spring. They are not a startup airline and LTN-VGO has been operating each summer for the last three years - you would think a decision on their network and aircraft availability would be made at an earlier stage in the year.

That said it is indeed concerning how the orange and purple brigades are becoming dominant at Luton. Ryanair and TUI are becoming little more than bit players

FFHKG 9th Jun 2018 14:37

I think you will find that Air Nostrum are struggling for aircraft this summer, some internal CRJ flights have been downgraded to ATR's - a change that affects my flight up to MAD in a couple of weeks - and they are also using Canaryfly aircraft on some routes.

compton3bravo 11th Jun 2018 07:22

If Vueling are not continuing I wonder if the green airline in the same group might step in with those juicy slots with Dublin, Cork or Shannon, just a thought.

toledoashley 11th Jun 2018 07:57


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 10170265)
If Vueling are not continuing I wonder if the green airline in the same group might step in with those juicy slots with Dublin, Cork or Shannon, just a thought.

Would the early slot work for US connections? That's the only reason why I think the green airline would do it.

Spanish eyes 11th Jun 2018 08:06

Views from the terminal are somewhat limited these days so a quick trip to the car park roof revealed just how busy the airfield was first thing today. Just another day I guess.

Both photos taken within a minute of each other.

https://i.imgur.com/gtxT7Lb.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/4dmdBrJ.jpg

LTNman 11th Jun 2018 13:51

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/...-a3860131.html

compton3bravo 11th Jun 2018 15:36

1.49 million passengers in May, that is going some considering the amount of disruption during the month due ATC strikes and poor weather across Europe.

LTNman 11th Jun 2018 16:53

May is a Spring figure but times 1.49 million by 12 and the airport is just about at capacity.

dvc 12th Jun 2018 12:31

I could notice that all 3 handling companies were well understaffed to cope with that amount of pax most days last month. On top of that the number of delays caused by late couches serving remote stands has increased. June so far seems to be similar to May. And obviously the road to terminal is big traffic jam on daily basis now. Also comparing the increase to previous years I can already see the chaos happening later in the year.

Buster the Bear 12th Jun 2018 15:50

The European Commission (EC) has given the green light for UK global investment manager AMP Capital Investors and Spanish airports operator Aena Internacional to acquire joint control of London Luton Airport.

In April, private investment firm Ardianannounced plans to sell its 49% stake in the airport to AMP Capital.

At the time, AMP Capital said it would continue to develop Luton in partnership with Aena.

On June 11, the EC issued a statement approving the deal.

“AMP Capital, belonging to the corporate group of AMP Limited of Australia, is active in infrastructure investment and management services, and controls Newcastle International Airport as well as Leeds Bradford Airport in the UK. Aena Internacional is majority-owned by the Spanish statutory corporation ENAIRE and is active in the management of airport infrastructure. The Commission concluded that the proposed acquisition would raise no competition concerns because of the limited impact it would have on the market,” the Commission said.

Since Ardian acquired 49% of Luton in 2013, more than £160 million ($223.3 million) has been invested in the north London Airport. Over that time, passenger numbers have grown from 9.7 million to 15.8 million in 2017, making Luton one of the UK’s fastest-growing airports.

LTNman 12th Jun 2018 15:53

I would think the latest temporary drop off zone will be open by the end of June. Drivers that have got used to getting in the left hand lane for the drop off zone will soon have to get into the right hand lane. So who looks at a road signs when you know where you are going? Those picking the left hand lane will end up on the service road.

For those with even short memories when the existing drop off zone opened it was expected to fix the chronic traffic congestion but it actually made the situation worse. In the first few days the traffic queue almost touched the M1 and set a new record. Lets just say the airport management where somewhat shocked at what was happening. This was in part due to a temporary pedestrian crossing from the short term car park and the infamous pedestrian crossing in the drop off area that still causes chaos today.

The new zone has no pedestrian crossings but 5 cul-de-sacs with half the kerbside in the first bay for disabled drop off. Again all traffic wishing to enter any of the 5 cul-de-sacs will have to filter into a single lane on the ring road. No doubt for the first few days a man will be directing traffic who will cause more queues as drivers stop to ask directions thus bringing the airport to a standstill.

Touch of deja vu for the airport in that every car leaving a cul-de-sac will be held up by a car queuing to enter bays 2,3,4 or 5. It will no doubt have the feel of the traffic layout from a few years back where they even tried traffic lights on the roundabout in the CTA before the traffic flow was reversed. Seems someone has a short memory as I link once again it will all end in tears.

Planespeaking 12th Jun 2018 15:53


Originally Posted by dvc (Post 10171343)
I could notice that all 3 handling companies were well understaffed to cope with that amount of pax most days last month. On top of that the number of delays caused by late couches serving remote stands has increased. June so far seems to be similar to May. And obviously the road to terminal is big traffic jam on daily basis now. Also comparing the increase to previous years I can already see the chaos happening later in the year.

Well perhaps you should contact 'sofas are us, or even couches are us' However which ever handling company is short of coaches should be given a severe talking to!!

dvc 12th Jun 2018 16:47


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 10171481)

Well perhaps you should contact 'sofas are us, or even couches are us' However which ever handling company is short of coaches should be given a severe talking to!!

Did I actually type couches? :) Airport Ops do coaches, so it's nothing to do with any handling company.

Falcon666 12th Jun 2018 18:22

LTNman,
You won't have to wait that long, according to the Airports website the new drop off area will be opening this Thursday.

LTNman 12th Jun 2018 22:09

When has anything opened on time at Luton? Actually this is already 3 weeks late.

Due to the closeness of the temporary road that went around the third core and walkway the pavement is incredibly narrow just before the subway. Expect to see passengers queuing just to use the pavement.

gilesdavies 13th Jun 2018 14:02

With Ryanair opening a new base at Southend, I wonder what this could mean for Luton?

The LTN base has been stagnent for around 5-6+ years with no new capacity and routes occasionally chopped and changed.

Could they eventually move Luton ops to Southend and extend that base further?

Only thing I can see preventing that is Michael O'Leary not wanting to hand peak morning runway slots and aircraft parking spots which are finite, to the likes of easyJet or Wizzair at Luton to easily expand! But in all seriousness with an airport like Southend having plenty of capacity, they could easily absorb Luton's Ryanair ops in addition to the routes and three aircraft just announced there.

Maybe just offering Luton a smattering of routes from other bases like Dublin and the popular Spanish routes.

I wonder when Ryanair's current agreement ends and if this could be a warning shot?

Falcon666 13th Jun 2018 14:32

Giles, I don't think anybody at the Airport will be having sleepless nights about it.
Ryanair haven't really taken LTN seriously regarding expansion although they did hit 5 based for one year a few years back.
Not sure why this is so , maybe relates to relationships in years gone by! maybe LTN just doesn't want to be held to ransom in pricing.
As you say the slots would be snapped up anyway.
i am wondering more about SEN possibly diluting STN catchment in Essex and surrounding areas for RYR.
Whatever RYR will be getting a sweet deal at SEN.
LTN does need a couple more airlines operating though, they can't seem to retain them. Transavia, Atlas Global and now possibly Vueling to name a few.

Planespeaking 13th Jun 2018 14:43


Originally Posted by gilesdavies (Post 10172157)
With Ryanair opening a new base at Southend, I wonder what this could mean for Luton?

The LTN base has been stagnent for around 5-6+ years with no new capacity and routes occasionally chopped and changed.

Could they eventually move Luton ops to Southend and extend that base further?

Only thing I can see preventing that is Michael O'Leary not wanting to hand peak morning runway slots and aircraft parking spots which are finite, to the likes of easyJet or Wizzair at Luton to easily expand! But in all seriousness with an airport like Southend having plenty of capacity, they could easily absorb Luton's Ryanair ops in addition to the routes and three aircraft just announced there.

Maybe just offering Luton a smattering of routes from other bases like Dublin and the popular Spanish routes.

I wonder when Ryanair's current agreement ends and if this could be a warning shot?

I would have thought there is still capacity at STN for growth, but LTN is beginning to show real problems in all kinds of areas, it has severe congestion problems, both in the air and on the ground, which could seriously impact on future development. SEN has space, but as far as FR is concerned perhaps it is just an opportunity to exert economic pressure elsewhere . Time will tell.


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