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canberra97 21st Jun 2018 03:32

Great photo update as usual LTNman but what I find surprising is that the area where the new Multi Story is going to be built was never safeguarded for extra aircraft stands. What's the occupancy like in the existing Multi Story as I'm surprised that an additional one was actually needed but I'm sure that your give me an appropriate answer. (as long as it's not racist) And I'm joking with that last comment as I'm not soft and sensitive as others seem to appear on here!

LTNman 21st Jun 2018 05:41


Are we talking about (old) Alpha taxiway that was changed to Bravo earlier this year?
Sorry where Bravo crosses the existing bridge (was Alpha) it will be pushed to one side and then put back as the cut and cover tunnel progresses into the CTA as seen in this photo from 1998. Unlike this photo where the tunnel popped out after crossing what was then Alpha, the new cut and cover tunnel will carry on all the way to its new station. The ring road that was completed just over a year ago and has just been moved for the new hump will have to move a further two times before it reaches the hump to allow the tunnel to cross under the road.

For most passengers they will be thinking that the building work is now coming to an end. Little do they know!
https://i.imgur.com/soPwAfE.jpg

20 years later the temporary route for alpha can still be seen although part of its width was grassed over
https://i.imgur.com/xTvFnKU.jpg


What's the occupancy like in the existing Multi Story
It is rammed full. The priority parking which used to park on the top 2 floors has moved out although passengers still check in on the second floor due to the loss of the short term car park. The airport now charge a minimum of £8 for just 30 minutes to control numbers. As for safeguarding for stands look at the above post that shows the temporary drop off zone and now think of 4 or 5 stands facing the camera. The issue would then be could the terminal and CTA cope with the extra passengers as it will be maxed out with the existing stands.

Expressflight 21st Jun 2018 07:50

People do indeed need to be very careful of accusing others in print of racism or they may find themselves in trouble but in this case the accusation was so wide of the mark as to be silly. As we all are, LTNman is entitled to voice his opinions on all aspects regarding his home airport and if some find his remarks offensive they should protect their sensitivities by blocking him. I always enjoy his informative posts even if I don't agree with him on occasions and I doubt we will ever think as one regarding SEN!

LTNman 21st Jun 2018 08:45

I probably have very similar views about SEN but from afar. I try to see the bigger picture and also look at the weak links that should not be ignored because it is inconvenient, not that you actually ignore the big picture. Rumour, debate and information is what PPrune is all about. I was one of those that dismissed any thought of Ryanair coming to Southend so it is safe to say that folk should take all my posts with a pinch of salt as I know next to nothing.

Planespeaking 21st Jun 2018 08:53


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10178059)
I probably have very similar views about SEN but from afar. I try to see the bigger picture and also look at the weak links that should not be ignored because it is inconvenient, not that you actually ignore the big picture. Rumour, debate and information is what PPrune is all about. I was one of those that dismissed any thought of Ryanair coming to Southend so it is safe to say that folk should take all my posts with a pinch of salt as I know next to nothing.

Ah but you express your self confessed lack of knowledge with such authority!! Well done LTNman we would be poorer without you.

Expressflight 21st Jun 2018 09:57


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 10178059)
I was one of those that dismissed any thought of Ryanair coming to Southend so it is safe to say that folk should take all my posts with a pinch of salt as I know next to nothing.

I think most people dismissed any thought of Ryanair coming to Southend, me included and I had no inkling of it whatever until the announcement was made.

PAXboy 21st Jun 2018 16:54

I object. No one has been more negative about LTN than me!! Having used the airport since 1984, I cannot remember saying anything in it's favour from the first time I visited the (then) new terminal when it opened. With great saddness, I have to use my local and conveniently placed airport in August. I now try to use LHR whenever possible - and that is saying something.

Monkeytennis12345 22nd Jun 2018 04:40

Yesterday, whilst on the easy staff bus, there were two cars dropping off on the 'new' bus lane. They managed to block the lane and all for the sake of saving £3.00. This needs to be stamped out very quickly before the usual LTN chaos ensues.
And whilst I'm in rant-mode, what is it with the new arrival/departure doors now seeming to have become the new smoking areas? Even at 0400 in the morning, there were at least 20 people smoking and vaping. Now I'm a non-smoker (I know...we are the worst !) but I hope the airport are also going to deal with this as well. It really doesn't portray a good image for the 'New and Improved' LTN experience. I shall now crawl back under my stone in Hangar 89 !

LTNman 22nd Jun 2018 05:19

Smoking under the canopy was predicated here before it opened as it was inevitable. I have already had a moan about it and was told that even though it was banned it was unenforceable because of the shear numbers. The second canopy to open doesn’t even have no smoking signs not that it would make any difference. If you think it is bad now just wait until it starts to rain as many people do stand outside in the open. It is safe to say that the canopies serve no purpose apart from offering smokers protection from the elements.

i don’t think all the people dropping off in the bus lane are doing it to avoid payment as some just pull to the left at the first opportunity as that was the side of the drop off zone last week. It will be when you see people waiting to be picked up standing in the bus lane that you will know they are doing so to avoid payment. No doubt the camera car will be moved if it is decided there is more money to be made rather than monitoring the bus stop outside the Holiday Inn.

Buster the Bear 22nd Jun 2018 10:56

The DfT has rejected a call from the owner of Luton Airport for more East Midlands trains to call at Luton Airport Parkway station.

The station is currently served by Thameslink trains and just one East Midlands Trains service an hour. The airport wanted the DfT to increase East Midlands train services to four an hour in the new franchise, which is due to commence in August 2019.

EastMids 22nd Jun 2018 11:18


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 10179155)
The DfT has rejected a call from the owner of Luton Airport for more East Midlands trains to call at Luton Airport Parkway station.

The station is currently served by Thameslink trains and just one East Midlands Trains service an hour. The airport wanted the DfT to increase East Midlands train services to four an hour in the new franchise, which is due to commence in August 2019.

Excellent news - absolutely the right decision. East Midlands Trains carriages (with single doors at either end) are not particularly suitable for airport traffic where passengers often have large bags, whereas the Thameslink vehicles with double doors and wide vestibules are much better. Furthermore, East Midlands Trains journey times have recently been lengthened following the Thameslink upgrades and additional stops at Parkway would have just added insult to injury for its customers.

LTNman 22nd Jun 2018 12:13

The train service has been cut back over the years despite soaring numbers. When first opened there was a standard service of 9 trains an hour in each direction, this became 7 with the removel of 2 slow trains each hour that now start from St Albans. Now East Midland don’t stop during the peak.

Also noticed that the weekend service was halved when I used it due to operational issues with the so called improved timetable. At least Luton has an overnight service unlike most other London Airports.

Buster the Bear 22nd Jun 2018 19:39

I assume the new longer trains are able to carry significantly more passengers than previous rolling stock?

LTNman 22nd Jun 2018 20:10

If you stand up as the 3x3 seating or was 3x2 seating has been replaced by 2x2 seating to make more standing room but yes the trains are 50% longer
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/tran...-a3255236.html

Captain_Caveman 25th Jun 2018 20:30

So the Airport consultation document is online and they have whittled down all the options for expansion to the preferred option below....

https://futureluton.llal.org.uk/wp-c.../nsc_luton.pdf

Yahoo!® 25th Jun 2018 21:40

Shame they discounted option 3c so readily

Buster the Bear 25th Jun 2018 22:06

http://i63.tinypic.com/nyv1au.jpg

Falcon666 25th Jun 2018 22:22

So Wigmore Valley Park is mostly moving into Hertfordshire- only got to move the boundary slightly.That might prove interesting!!
Noticed in the Bartlett Square section (Page 92) they have a Multi Storey planned for next to Parkway Station and the Hotel.
Was that always planned as i haven't seen it mentioned before?

LTNman 25th Jun 2018 23:09

They will have a fight on their hands to pull this off. The planned business park that covered much of Wigmore Park was just a big lie to allow a planning application for a dual carriageway to serve a second terminal. Not only does the park disappear but so does a large county wildlife site. The car parking extends well into Hertfordshire and crosses what was supposed to be the new Wigmore Park, which according to a park Facebook page ends up being by the Fox pub at Darley Heights.

Dannyboy39 26th Jun 2018 06:15

Page 44 lists the scores for each of the options. All bar one scheme fails completely when it comes to carbon emissions. Surely if you have a -20 it should be completely disregarded, as it is “currently unworkable”.

It also looks like they have completely disregarded strain on the highway network.


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