After the terminal development has been completed it will be a ton of taxi fuel instead of 600kg as the queue to cross 23R and at the 23L threshold will be even longer at 7am in the morning.
Manchester made a big error when the 2nd runway was built to close for true dual use operations. But that is so typical of the UK, transport development is so often half hearted and does not look far enough into the future. The 3rd Runway at Heathrow needs better transport links if it is to serve a large part of the Country, not only road's but HS2 needs to call at the airport and connect with HS1 at St Pancras/Kings Cross giving access to the Midlands and East of England as well as a direct link for trains from Reading and the West to call on the way into the Paddington. But Manchester is no better, some of the express trains from Crewe and further South should be diverted to serve the airport as well, along with a link to North Wales. Unfortunately, or perhaps fortunately this Country is London biased. If we live outside of the South East then we are 2nd class citizens but at least the illegal immigrants do not know of nor wish to come to the Midland shires.:ok: British Airways are also equally London biased, in Germany Lufthansa operate long hall from both Frankfurt and Munich. BA could have developed longhaul from Manchester in the 90's/00's but they lacked real foresight and retreated to Heathrow instead. |
Originally Posted by Council Van
(Post 9556217)
Manchester made a big error when the 2nd runway was built to close for true dual use operations. But that is so typical of the UK, transport development is so often half hearted and does not look far enough into the future.
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Just a stir the pot, MAN could now apply to build a 3rd runway (purely take off) parallel to the M56 similar to the southern take off runway at FRA. It could be sold on the fact of less properties to knock down, less noise polution to the residents of Knutsford etc and alleviate the crossing of 23R at peak times
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Andy Burnham is a candidate for the Mayor of Manchester, and a Labour one at that, so I wouldn't expect him to say anything else. As far as MAG is concerned I suspect they are quietly pleased that the Government has opted for the most undeliverable proposal of all. The pollies and lawyers will still be arguing the toss about LHR R3 long after MAN's terminal redevelopments have been completed. It would be surprising if there were not plenty of legal delays but I wouldn't put my money on R3 never happening. What the impact on MAN, if any, would then be is not clear, but in the meantime it's up to MAN to strive to continue the momentum of growth in services while at the same time ensuring infrastructure improvements provide a reasonable passenger experience until the TP is complete. |
True but maybe other MPSs and Media should have spoken up as well rather than giving the S EAST a free run. |
Grayling is riding up North on his white stallion today and will be out seducing the local media with promises of mega spend in the North or ringfenced slots for Heathrow. ..
"Whisper it, they already have them, 20 odd high fequency flights already in place to Manchester Leeds Newcastle. The airports that don't have them don't need them. Liverpool passengers are 35m mins from Manchester. Humberside use Amsterdam Teeside see above The North needs spend TODAY not some transparent #### about Hs2 and a mega spend 30 years over the horizon! Oh and don't let them disguise normal annual budget maintenance as some sort of "special spend treatment " they are doing this on M4 ! |
Grayling is riding up North on his white stallion today and will be out seducing the local media with promises of mega spend in the North or ring-fenced slots for Heathrow. Do we know if his tour takes in Manchester or is he more interested in proclaiming those ring-fenced runway slots at the 3 airports you mention? This was his message back in August:- http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....yling-11711914 As regards the airport, it would be rather appropriate in the immediate aftermath of the LHR decision, if Air China would officially announce MAN-PVG. Is it any closer? |
If we live outside of the South East then we are 2nd class citizens but at least the illegal immigrants do not know of nor wish to come to the Midland shires. British Airways are also equally London biased, in Germany Lufthansa operate long hall from both Frankfurt and Munich. BA could have developed longhaul from Manchester in the 90's/00's but they lacked real foresight and retreated to Heathrow instead. As for MAN, losses on regional short haul were eye-watering once EZY and FR came along and did the same job for way less, regional flying went loco. That would have left MAN with standalone long haul with no feed competing with US carriers and ME3 who have major hubs at the other end. VERY hard to make money. If MAN was more like MUC, then fair point, alas it's wayyy to close to the SE for that analogy to work sadly. Believe me, it's not like BA then BMI didn't try. VS succeed, perhaps because they have lower costs and are much more leisure focused. Whether BA could replicate the success VS have with DL on their JV with AA, I suspect that boat has sailed. |
FRA to MUC is only a 2hr 45min drive down the A3-A9 Autobahns with the cities of Würzburg, Nürnberg and Ingolstadt inbetween, less time than it takes driving LHR to MAN. Stuttgart is a similar distance between FRA and MUC.
Frankfurt is a banking and services hub similar to London, Munich is more industrial and similar to the surrounding area of Manchester. LH can make 2 hubs work, why can't BA? |
Heathrow and Manchester
Simple answer is the UK is SE centric. Heathrow in my opinion will never get a third runway it's an environmental health hazard in the making. I would much prefer to fly direct from Manchester if possible or Schiphol.
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If the UK was to adopt a more Germanic approach and de centralise it would sort out many of the problems that plague and split this country.
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Good luck decentralising London.........
Originally Posted by MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA
(Post 9556637)
FRA to MUC is only a 2hr 45min drive down the A3-A9 Autobahns with the cities of Würzburg, Nürnberg and Ingolstadt inbetween.
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Originally Posted by Andy_S
(Post 9556774)
Good luck decentralising London.........
It's a distance of 250 miles. Good luck doing that in 2hr 45min........ |
No 70mph speed limit helps. Seriously If Heathrow actually opens a new runway it's Gatwick, that will suffer immediately. The BA beach fleet will run home to mamma asap Cathay Pacific straight into its preferred airport.Then you have easyjet, who no doubt wish to expand and start flights from Heathrow depending on how the landing fee issues progress. I can't see any legacy carrier operating long term from Gatwick if the Heathrow runway materialised Emirates, would leave asap as it's simply slot sitting and waiting for more LHR openings. BA never really wanted to succeed with Manchester be it using the wrong equipment, timings etc which is a great shame as BA could have been as successful as other airlines that have come in since the retreat of BA to festung LHR.
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off topic: trains from FRA to MUC need 3:15 hours, by motorway/Autobahn it's nearly 400 km so 3 to 4 hours by car
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2.45 is a reasonable time for the 390km from the junction of the A3/A5 at Frankfurt airport to the Messe at Munich, there are few speed limits below 130, most of the route is derestricted. I will be driving the route in 2 weeks but am limited to 210kmph as I will have my winter tyres fitted LOL
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Originally Posted by MAN2SIN2BKK2FRA
(Post 9556951)
2.45 is a reasonable time for the 390km from the junction of the A3/A5 at Frankfurt airport to the Messe at Munich, there are few speed limits below 130, most of the route is derestricted.
You may feel that's reasonable, but many wouldn't. |
I'm sure how long it takes to drive from Frankfurt to Munich is fascinating for some but can we please get back to topics that affect MAN.
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It all depends whether you have slicks, mediums or hard tyres........hang on........sorry I am falling asleep re this subject......wake me up when we get back to Man aviation matters.
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Originally Posted by Trav a la
(Post 9556768)
If the UK was to adopt a more Germanic approach and de centralise it would sort out many of the problems that plague and split this country.
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