Being brutally realistic, what would serve the region best, an under utilised and loss making airfield or 400 houses to help ease the chronic shortage of housing in the UK?

Leaving aside for the moment the imperative of how much the land owner (Peel) could make our of the sale of the land for it's shareholders!

Plenty of places to build houses in the North East - not many places to connect into significant export markets.

But what will best serve the region doesn't really come into the equation.

Strange £90m turning up not long before the next election. Road built by Christmas then.

A large amount of money has just been spent on a new 3ft fence, wooden poles with two wires and a barbed wire top ringing the airfields outer edges.

Well thats it, & we know where many of these will be built & we may even have a nice new access road thrown in...:E

Thought that was a plate of peas or beans!:ooh:

Comical! Clearly he wouldn't give a date, but should be able to come up with something better than that :yuk:

Yeah but how it looks and how it is are two different things thankfully.

Doris has done a damn sight more damage to the airport over the years than what Peel have, two faced :mad:

Too right there Robert over the years dear Doris has stopped cargo flights, holiday flights and she and her NIMBYs wrecked the original South side development because she thought there were going to be numerous 747s every day.

Presume the locals won't vote her out in the next elections!

Oh Beafer, if only you knew the truth.

You could almost say Doris is responsible for Peel owning the airport.

Nicely put EGHQ :D

Does anyone know how much Peel are being given to build the new road and drain systems on the south side of DTV Airport? The total figure for the gov money was £90m but how much are Peel being gifted?
This sounds a familiar story of Peel dealing with local councils, and house building plans Salfordonline News

SALFORD COUNCILLORS CALL IN PEEL HOLDINGS GREEN FIELD SELL OFF IN WALKDEN - Salford Star - with attitude & love xxx
Peel are used tp getting what they want, and know how to work the system for free road money.
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DTV is just a small piece of their UK master building plan. They have no interest in keeping DTV open. They are property developers.
Look at the broader picture DTVAirport.

B:mad:cks Northbound, I am looking at the broader picture

Northbound, I am looking at the broader picture
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Which is??????????

DTVAirport
One may appreciate that "possibly" due to your position then you are not in a position to breach confidences and to an extent I am sure that most posting on this forum accept that.
HOWEVER you continue to utter numerous innuendos that you are never able to back up even in retrospect & unfortunately are mostly b:mad:cks. To an extent I have some sympathy with you & indeed all at DTV however statements such as do nothing other than support my observations.
As it happens I believe that Beefer has it more or less spot on. It's all about timing, something that Peel are extremely adept at, unfortunately something that you will eventually find is to your detriment.

A genuine effort to turn the airport around which is going to very soon start yielding some fruit and an airport that is still going to be here for decades to come contrary to what some might think, and I base that statement on knowledge and not hope.

Spot on, and you've answered your own statement as it's not that I am not able to back up what I say, it's that I'm simply not allowed.

DTVAirport - with the greatest respect, we've been hearing for years about how the airport will be relaunched and how the airport is in discussions with aviation companies

So far there's been a bit of growth in aircraft scrapping while passenger numbers are at the lowest level for 40 years while Newcastle is in robust health. Until some significant event takes place (actions, not just words) I'm staying with the doubters on this...

Okay granted I can appreciate that, but rest assured things are in the pipeline.

This however I cannot agree with, I flew from there earlier this month and it was dire, I mean really really dire, they've lost a lot of traffic themselves, it's just not as noticeable due to their size to begin with. Also, I wouldn't say an annual loss in excess of £8m adding to debts of £300m+ is healthy, ok a major regional facility like that is never going to go pop and they will theoretically just continually get re-financed, however it is still there, it's a major negative, and as far as debt goes that's not something we have to worry about.

Appreciate that the best form of defence is often attack but care to expand on these comments?

in what way? NCL usually scores well in surveys against other UK airports of its size

lost some, gained some - but really....

and I don't think somebody in the Peel glasshouse should start throwing financial stones! (and lets face it, unless you're on the inside of both organisations, who really knows?)

DTVAirport- and there you go again, more pro DTV "jingoism" though this time "flipped"!
Say what you mean or simply shut up !!!

I meant in terms of traffic, I will admit the terminal experience was spot on.

Are you sure?
 

Dtv...think your figures a bit out of date also.they were refinanced last year and don't think they are making an operational loss...not like our DIRE lot!

No I did take all that into account

DTV - I've PM'd you.

V_J

Said pipeline is not on current airport land. It was on land that they might of used for the alternative access to the South side.

Just read this latest uttering re APT from the "Airport Boss" Unsure as to where he was speaking from, though some of the associated text is laughable. To be quoting reports that improvements in runway capacity down London could create a demand for up to 4 flights a day by 2050 !!! is pretty much irrelevant, unsubstantiatable, & bizarre, irrespective as to which ever airport one is considering.
Presumably this is the same "Airport Boss" who professed in not being an accountant, to be unable to provide any assurances that with having regard to a “published” £3.6M financial loss was unable to comment as to if / when Peel may cut their losses and close this operation.
All must agree that such losses are unsustainable, though it is as to what to do to address this loss that opinions differ. The only thing that is certain is that which has taken place historically to date.

Unfortunately the action in the deliberate reduction of civil aviation related activities, does not align itself with the necessary reduction in overheads with which to turn the operation around. As such as commented by many, then as an action in itself it is irrational unless considered as part of a much larger scheme.

The irony of all this is that there is (for Peel) indeed a larger scheme, they have presented a version, believe it if you wish, for public consumption. However common financial sense is that if you have a profitable scheme with a non profitable aviation cost centre, then consideration has to be given to the improvements in returns by either closure or disposal. The later would not appear an option if only because of its incompatibility w ith alternate uses for the site as a whole, leaving the more likely closure.
Throwing additional funds into site accessibility make little sense if the perceived objective was to create & assist growth in airline pax no.’s. They do make significant sense if the site is considered for an alternate development use be it residential or commercial. The main winners being Peel themselves, who will see the value of airport land increase dramatically.
As to how all of this will be seen by the current local residents is anyone’s guess but I guess that Doris & the other “nimbys” on the local parish council have little to worry about proposed aviation activity in 2050. You reap what you sow! As they say………..

Boris to replace Hague
 

In some quarters 'Boris' is being suggested as a possible replacement for Hague

Could this mean DTVA being promoted as additional London runway???

PZU - Out of Africa (Retired)

Passenger Figures June
 

Nothing unexpected.

Amsterdam down 2% (8303)
Aberdeen up 11% (2995)

airport total down 11.7% month for month and down 8.6% for year
June 12149 total

Movements down 7.7% month for month and down 1.8% total for year.

Looking like 2014 will bring in circa 145,000 passengers? worst since when??

Never mind Peel(and DTV) have a plan.....:D

Worst since
1972 162,000
1971 136,000

Looks like there plans working

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. The plan has not had time to have full effect.

DTVAirport
how long do we have to wait for the plan to work
40+ years to build it up and less than 10 years to bring the airport to it`s knee`s
will it take 40+ years to build it back up or will it become another housing estate :p

DTVAirport
As I keep pointing out then you continue to say bog all of anything relevant , whilst continuing to take comfort in a plan which you yourself appear unable to substantiate.
Why not simply take a real world view and pick out some specific references that will able you to quote objective data to illustrate and reinforce your points.
Unfortunately judging by what has been uttered by you over the past 12 months then insofar as I am able to recall then you have not actually made a single comment that would suggest that you have a greater clue than "Doris" up the road.
N.b. "I'm party to secret info that I can't divulge" angle, seems to me to be the fantasy of a hopeless under achiever & dreamer!

Give him a break....
 

Sky man. You talk a lot of sense..but give dtv some slack...it's his airport,his dreams and maybe his future.We all have been somewhere similar in the past?

The penny will drop soon enough and it will be a sad day for all of us.

I think we all know there is no future as an international airport...some aviation activity may continue but I fear the future is bricks and motar.

It's sad but true, the more houses that are built, the less chance of aircraft noise being tolerated by those living in them. Leading to objections, public inquiries etc, etc., result....restrictions on the operation of the airport.

Let's get some things straight - aviation is one of the slowest-progressing industries in the world, nothing happens overnight not just for DTVA but anywhere, and here you all are expecting a long-term plan which was announced barely a few months ago to be reaping fruit practically overnight?! That being said, given the fact that the load factors have been consistently UP all year so far bar this mere 2% drop on KLM which *may* be a one-off, you could say the plan is already having a positive effect.

You've taught me well then?

And not everything is as it seems. All I have to do is wait...

The Masterplan - from memory, it was something along the lines of:

• Reduce costs by binning 'costly' big airlines like Thomson, Balkan Holidays, MOD charters - still baffling to me, but tick in the box
  
  
• Encourage business relevant short range regional flights - KLM/Eastern flights have been maintained with some modest growth, but no new developments yet - jury still out
  
  
• Encourage existing/additional aviation related businesses - Sycamore quiet, no significant growth in other resident co's although Cobham/SERCO state they are happy, Skydive company attracted (how busy are they?), no other additional companies attracted (we'll ignore the exotic agricultural enterprise!)- jury still out
  
  
• Housing development to fund additional development - still at the planning stage but considerable local opposition although local authorities seem on board. Like others, I don't see how significant housing so near to the terminal goes with continued aviation activity - jury still out
  
  
• Long term investment in infrastructure to encourage aviation related businesses - after repeated RGF failings, finally obtained some 'pump priming' Govt funds. While I've no problem with such investments, Peel do give the impression it wouldn't be happening without somebody else paying - jury still out

anything I've missed, got wrong?

Yes

Driven all visiting General Aviation away by introducing mandatory handling and over bearing security staff.

Mickey Kaye watch this space on general aviation.

Skydive only operate at weekends weather permiting
with a turn around of approx 1hr between drops