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TSR2 7th Sep 2013 18:08


if the annual pax figure can reach 5m which is a critical figure to attract new routes.
I think the 5 million mark may have more to do with the airport getting a bigger cut from the retailers than new routes.

highwideandugly 7th Sep 2013 19:04

Passenger figures
 
am i right in saying..its relly only 2.5 million departing passengers? still good compared to my lego airport at dtv!!

TSR2 7th Sep 2013 20:04


am i right in saying..its relly only 2.5 million departing passengers?
Yes, you are correct

Jamesair 7th Sep 2013 20:21

That of course applies to every airport...the figure represents the total throughput of the airport.

Ph1l1pncl 10th Sep 2013 12:20

Jet2
 
On the East Midlands thread they are saying with the new routes announced they have now overtaken Newcastle for next summer with the number of routes from the airport. Is Newcastle due to have anymore route announcements or is summer 2014 finalised for the airport? Are we still having 6 based aircraft or 7?

Jamesair 10th Sep 2013 15:06

The timetable as is (without Cork, Krakow and Prague requires 6 aircraft...rumours still persist about another a/c or 2 plus new routes.

JND6198 11th Sep 2013 15:24

Incident
 
Apparently a LS 733 hit a flock of birds departing NCL. Returned safely to land, but did cause 2 flights to divert and some delays.

EDIT: It was LS353 to Krakow

BoeingGTi 11th Sep 2013 16:25

Replacement aircraft has just arrived from EDI G-GDFE - Anyone know why BA1333 is delayed almost 3 hours after arrival? Got some friends on board who may miss a connection

JND6198 11th Sep 2013 16:31

Thats not a replacement aircraft, that was the aircraft that was diverted after the incident. It flew to EDI and has just returned to NCL. Also the BA was holding for quite a while earlier waiting for clearence to land so that will have caused some of the delay.

BoeingGTi 11th Sep 2013 16:35

ah my mistake, just surprised so long to turnaround as it landed before 4 I think

JND6198 11th Sep 2013 16:40

Yeah it does seem like a long time, but a EZY a319 was diverted to MME and that got back to NCL at around the same time as the LS, ohh and I hope your friends make their connections down in London.

BoeingGTi 11th Sep 2013 16:42

Doubtful, Heathrow departure is at 7:30 :mad:

weird day at NCL

JND6198 11th Sep 2013 16:47

Yeah its unusual but things like this do occasionally happen. But it was a good job by the LS pilots to get back down safely. :)

BoeingGTi 11th Sep 2013 20:56

could not agree more!

GrahamK 16th Sep 2013 13:35

August Provisional Stats:

Gatwick: 6982 -4%
Heathrow: 42698 +4%
Aberdeen: 2136 +22%
Belfast City: 4446 +19%
Belfast Int: No figs
Birmingham: 336
Bristol: 13603 +5%
Cardiff: 872 -27%
Exeter: 3016 -7%
Isle of Man: 496 -5%
Jersey: No figs
Newquay: 753 + 27%
Southampton: 7901 +4%

Selected Int figs:
Copenhagen: 1561
Paris CDG: 12639 -23%
Dusseldorf: 2858 -29% Miles behind the GLA service, which saw more pax on a single daily service than NCL got on 2 daily last year!
Dublin: 11887 -17%
Amsterdam: 32146 +33%
Stavanger: 2009 -13%
Prague: 2529 - 30%
Krakow: 3590 -11%
Dubai: 18544 +40%


12 month rolling figure for the airport is 4.39m +1.2%, not including the missing figs for JER and BFS

10 DME ARC 17th Sep 2013 10:45

DXB 40% up!! WOW :D

funny no one commenting on a good rise...mmmmm:hmm::hmm:

HH6702 17th Sep 2013 15:02

DXB 40% up is very good indeed an long may it continue!!!

Can we see this route hit 20,000 pax a month before the end of December 2013??

Looking at the DUS figures it just shows that certain routes need to be double daily for good figures. Once daily is no good for connections or business trip! Lets hope we can keep the route but long term if it doesn't go back to double daily I can see this route being dropped all together !

EK77WNCL 17th Sep 2013 21:28

Brilliant news about Emirates, 40% is astounding! Too bad they have never, do not and never will make money from Newcastle. They'll probably pull out in a few months :rolleyes::ugh: In all seriousness I don't know where the naysayers get all their "info" from. 6 years later people! 6 years!

Anyway, hopeful we may break 5 million pax this year. Would be good to see again soon.

VickersVicount 17th Sep 2013 21:33

57% increase in seats, but just a 40% increase in pax.... Mmm ;)

OltonPete 17th Sep 2013 22:33

Dubai
 
August pax 18544 divided by 62 sectors which equals 299 per flight.

Designated aircraft B77W 428 seats giving an August load factor 69%.

What happened in reality was 7 x 77L, 16 x 3-class 77W's and just 8 x 2-class 77W's, which actually brought the load factor up to around 83%.

I think most would agree a load factor on EK of 83% is pretty good and the only worrying aspect is nearly three quarters of the flights were down-graded from the "usual" aircraft.

As I am sure 10 DME ARC can confirm Ramadan affected the early part of August with BHX also receiving a few three class 77W's although the load factor was over 90% as was Glasgow and Manchester.

Definitely will be interesting to see how EK develop further in the UK outside of London although I am sure they will pleased to get NCL almost up to 300 per flight.

Pete

JonnyH 18th Sep 2013 08:59

TCX6109 is delayed by 6 hours this morning. Tech issues with YL-LCL. It'll be interesting to know if it does actually leave at the re-arranged slot of 13:00.

Skipness One Echo 18th Sep 2013 11:02


57% increase in seats, but just a 40% increase in pax.... Mmm
How exactly would you plan on carrying a 40% increase in passengers without using larger equipment? There is an unvoidable jump in size when using larger equipment, over time one expects load factor to rise accordingly, as Glasgow is finding.

10 DME ARC 18th Sep 2013 11:36


57% increase in seats, but just a 40% increase in pax.... Mmm
What do you want?? :confused::confused:

Olton - Yes Ramadan effect hits big time, Dubai empties in summer as well. From what I can gather Emirates really pleased with the route, it was certainly very full coming back to DXB last Wednesday with a few lucky punters being upgraded joining us in J.

JonnyH 18th Sep 2013 19:00

The other Smartlynx plane, YL-LCH, has came up to operate this evenings flight to Rhodes after LCL's 9 hour delay.

EK77WNCL 18th Sep 2013 22:20

I suppose using the 3 class 77W's is better anyway, brings the load factors up and of course, IF we ever het the rumoured 2nd daily flight (and possibly the DXB-NCL-JFK route) I'd hope we might get first class which, obviously would mean it would always be a 3 class aircraft.

GrahamK 19th Sep 2013 08:48

A lot more 2 class 77Ws being used so far this month.

Kev 1 19th Sep 2013 11:46

EZY London Gatwick - Newcastle
 
Seems certain this service will commence as of March next year for Summer '14. A quick look at the EZY schedules shows the early morning Bristol rotation being done by a Bristol-based aircraft during the week, meaning the normal NCL-BRS-AGP-NCL aircraft will now route as below:

NCL-based aircraft: NCL-LGW-AGP-NCL
LGW-based aircraft: LGW-NCL-AGP-LGW

There are also a few gaps in the evening schedules for a second daily flight to LGW, though not every day so could be a mix of LGW-based aircraft, or just a 2nd daily rotation on certain days.

Cheers

Kev

HH6702 19th Sep 2013 13:28

Thanks for the update. Hopefully we may get some other new routes too

EK77WNCL 19th Sep 2013 23:33

It will be good to see some affordable fares return to the NCL-LON route since we lost STN and I'm sure LGW will be successful for them. Should make connections to other LGW routes much easier, might finally get to GIB!

CentreFix25 20th Sep 2013 07:40


NCL-based aircraft: NCL-LGW-AGP-NCL
LGW-based aircraft: LGW-NCL-AGP-LGW
Simple yet very effective utilisation of their aircraft, meaning an early flight in both directions.

There's sure to be an early evening flight too, to make it a viable business service. Although my bet would be a LGW or NCL machine doing both legs.

nighthawk117 20th Sep 2013 08:44

VC-10 flypast?
 
Apparently it is the last ever flight of an RAF VC-10 today, before the aircraft are retired and replaced with Voyagers.

After their mission they will complete a flyby of Newcastle, Warton, RAF Conninsby, RAF Marham, Birmingham, RAF Lossiemouth, RAF Leuchars, and Prestwick.

Anyone know what time they are due to overfly each airport?

EDIT: There are two NOTAMs out for NCL:

H4801/13 (NAVW)
N55°02.00 W001°41.00 5nm
Friday, 20 Sep 2013 12:15 to 12:45
Elevation: SFC - 3300
FLYPAST BY SINGLE VC10 ACFT WI 5NM RADIUS 550217N 0014123W
(NEWCASTLE). 13-09-0582/AS 1

H4800/13 (NAVW)
N55°02.00 W001°41.00 5nm
Friday, 20 Sep 2013 11:05 to 11:35
Elevation: SFC - 3300
FLYPAST BY SINGLE VC10 ACFT WI 5NM RADIUS 550217N 0014123W
(NEWCASTLE). 13-09-0582/AS1

KNIEVEL77 20th Sep 2013 08:48

Newcastle Airport have tweeted that it will be with us at 12.30 today.

NCIS 20th Sep 2013 14:14

VC-10 Flypast
 
Hi All - RAF VC-10 ZA147 made an on time fly-by down Runway 25 at Newcastle this afternoon. Pic: VC-10: ZA147/F VC-10 K3 Newcastle Airport | Flickr - Photo Sharing! The down side is that I first saw it as East African Airways 5H-MMT more than 43 years ago! Cheers.

skyman771 20th Sep 2013 20:25

NCIS

The down side is that I first saw it as East African Airways 5H-MMT more than 43 years ago! Cheers.
Certainly not a down side but a priviledge! LHR in the late 60's, lived down there & remember it well. Take away Airbus & Boeing & the place no longer has a lot going for it...............:(

shearer5 23rd Sep 2013 13:45

DUB jumbo
 
would any of you good folk know if (and when) the Dubai air wing 744 is in this week?

many thanks

GrahamK 24th Sep 2013 07:02

Thon Antonov 74 is a weird looking aircraft is it not?

Jamesair 26th Sep 2013 21:09

JET2 SUMMER 2014
 
Krakow is now on sale for summer 2014 at 2 weekly (M and F) down from 3 this summer and Prague at 2 weekly (M and F) same as this summer. Cork is still not bookable

NCIS 27th Sep 2013 14:45

San Marino registration
 
A Gulfstream V turned up today with the registration T7-TIL, which it seems is registered in San Marino, a tiny state that doesn't have a airport! Pic: Gulfstream: T7-TIL Gulfstream V Newcastle Airport | Flickr - Photo Sharing! To reply to other posts there is a lot of talk about the UAE 747/737s but no hard news. And the Ukrainian An-74 was back today and should be a regular visitor for a short while. Cheers.

GrahamK 27th Sep 2013 17:37

Do Jet2 not realise they've been operating to Prague and Krakow for a few years now? Very weird press announcement on their website...:suspect:

EK77WNCL 27th Sep 2013 20:16

NCIS, do you know when we can next expect the An74?


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