According to V-Flyer, the Manchester - St. Lucia flight on VS will end at the start of the next summer season.

"Creating tomorrows airport"- 10 year plan
 

An in-depth look into the airports 10 year development strategy.

RIGHT SIZING EACH TERMINAL

- Move towards co-location by sector
- With the right facilities for the right sector
- At the right price
Terminal One - Full service/scheduled
Terminal Two - IT & C / Leisure outbound
Terminal Three - Short haul European

AIRPORT DEVELOPMENT PLAN

Significant investment in terminal, airfield, car parking and utilities infrastructure.

- Duel taxiway Delta
- Pier B demolition and rebuild.
- Upgrade West/East stands
- Code E/F parallel taxiways
- T2 West pier extension
- Pier C refurb and vertical segregtation
- T1/T2 Link
- T3 carpark extension
- Ringway road diversion
- T3 East apron
- Code F/C parallel taxiways
- Duel taxiway Juliet demolition of pier A
- Additional Runway crossing oposite T3

PIER B: rebuild

- Airside road inder pier
- All stands to be served airbridges
- Vetical segregation arrivals corridor over departures
- Domestic and international arrivals horizon segregation
- New 2-story A380 lounge integrated into the design of the pier

PIER B: image attached

TERMINAL 1 PIER C

- Maximise number of T1 contact stands
- Dual taxiway delta over remote stands to maintain Pier C as a double sided pier
- New arrivals corridor over existing pier to segregate departing from arriving passenger

TERMIAL 3 & PIER

T3 APRON EXTENSION
- New head of stand road if single central taxiway
- Area safeguard for code D2 stands
- New head of stand airside road
- Taxiway capacity to be investigated
- Four code D2 or 787-300 stands possible

DELIVERY PROGRAMME
Above complete by 2017

END
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i have read throught the 10 year plan and created a bullet-point document as seen above, from my point of view the plan looks promising, excitied by the proposed images of T3 pier, this will make T3 the same size as T2 if not bigger. Pier B looks very interesting, a very modern design to incorporate the A380!

Finally we have duel delta taxiway, this will ease conjestion early morning, plus good to see pier C being overhauled in the process.

G-STAW

That makes no sense whatsoever!

What a FANTASTIC contribution to the thread from Veulo. How he must have have dwelt long and hard to compose such a marvellous and erudite comment. I'm sure that he'll soon be put forward for a Pulitzer prize.
If not I'd like to nominate him for being a prize :oh:

The point of his post being to prove that he MUST subscribe to Womans Own.

Oh dear I seem to have descended into my own Tit-for tat bashing.

Bovvered, am I - naah.

Thanks for the effort G-STAW.:ok:

Shame we're not going to see extension of V in the next 10 years but suppose cost/benefit analysis has justified the exclusion.

bmi are doing 4 Jeddah flights in November/December according to the airline route updates blog

G-Staw, just wondering if there are any start dates for any of these.

As far as im aware the T1/T2 link will need to be inplace before any work can start on B-pier, maybe even C-pier.

Not sure what tht means, T3 A pier demolition ie 141/142/143 gone?
Or something to do with the taxi way Juliet.

What about the new Tower, or the 10 year plan only include the Termials?

In reality I doubt if any major projects are started until financial markets stabilize.

MAGs thrifty ways over the last few years have probably been for the best.As a Manchester tax payer, I am glad they (MAG) havent saddled themselves with new multi billion terminals. Instead money has been spent on essential operational areas ie taxiway repairs outside and retail and security improvements inside.

I heard that the new control tower has been put on hold .

Further contraction at Man.
Looks like PIA down to 4 a week total from Jan 09.

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DETAILED DRAFT DELIVERY PROGRAMME

TERMINAL 1

T1-T2 LINK DESIGN;BY 2009 CONSTRUCTION; BY Q3 2010
T1 PIER C DESIGN;BY 2008 CONSTRUCTION; BY Q3 2011
T1 DOMESTIC RETURN DESIGN; BY 2008 CONSTRUCTION; BY Q4 2009
T1 PIER B(A380 LOUNGE) DESIGN;BY 2009 CONSTRUCTION; BY Q2 2011
T1 PIER B REFURB DESIGN;BY 2009 CONSTRUCTION BY Q2 2011
-------------------------

TERMINAL 3 (EAST)

T3 PIER DESIGN;BY 2009 CONSTRUCTION; BY Q2 2012
T3 LANDSIDE EX DESIGN;BY 2009 CONSTRUCTION; BY Q2 2012
T3 RETAIL REFURB DESIGN;BY 2009 CONSTRUCTION; BY 2013
T3 AIRSIDE WORK DESIGN;BY 2010 CONSTRUCTION; BY 2011
---------------------------------

OTHER ON-GOING PROJECTS

T3 BUSINESS LOUNGE DESIGN; BY 2010 CONSTRUCTION; BY 2011
T3 MULTI-STORY EXT DESIGN; BY 2011 CONSTRUCTION; BY 2012
T1 SUBSTATION RELOCTN DESIGN;BY2010 CONSTRUCTION; BY 2011
T3 LANDSIDE SUB RELOCTN DESIGN;BY 2010 CONSTRUCTION;BY 2011
AIRFIELD TWYS/STANDS DESIGN'BY2008 CONSTRUCTION;BY 2017
T3 OBC(SOUTHERN FRONT) DESIGN;BY 2008 CONSTRUCTION; BY2008

END
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PS nothing on new tower construction

G-STAW

These long term plans will be affected by more than just the money markets in my view. Considering the likely continued contraction in the charter market (still a significant proportion of MAN's traffic), the increasing reliance on lo-co's - and the inherent low fees associated with them, and MAG's apparent desire to spend a not insignificant sum on acquiring a piece of the action at LGW, I wonder how much room the company will have financially to invest in its existing assets in the short - medium term?

Giving credit where it's due, mind, the money spent on the new security search area in T1 has delivered a big improvement although the total lack of natural light from the check-in area through to beyond duty free must be quite depressing for the staff working there!

Depressing !!

Eee, Whin I wah a lad, wid do 18 hours a day, down int bowels of T1 baggage area, never seeing sun for weeks !

And at end of shift we ad t sweep up wi our tongues :)

how does one get hold of the document?

'how does one get hold of the document?'

IM the man with the plan..........G-STAW.

MM

At first glance that looks a good plan. All of those works are needed and will make the airside environment and customer service better.

It's a tall and expensive order though, and some challenging timescales. I hope their project management skills are up to it, or will they be using MADL?

MAN777

You do realise that you have written your post in 'a Yorkshire' accent and not best 'Cheshire' as should be. ;)

Born Cheshire, work in Manchester, live on Lancashire / North Yorkshire border, I have a real identity crisis going on !!:confused:

they are not widely available, i have been given permission to "note-only".

your childish behavior has surfaced once more, btw an aircraft awaits your brush and binliner.........

G-STAW

I thought T2 west Pier extension was due to start next year. Is that still the plan because I note that it is mentioned in the plan but no date

G-STAW

You seem to be the only poster on here to have
inside infomation on the 10 yr plan, so naturally
one would assume that contacting you would be
the best bet for further knowledge.

Im so very sorry if this course of action has caused
you any amount of trouble.

I respect your position - in that you only want to
reveal tit-bits in your own time.

As to it being 'childish' - I thought that it might
help - so please except that it was a genuine
effort on my part to be - of help.

MM

i may of taken your post the wrong way, or didnt understand, anyhow i apologise. in regards to releasing tid-bit of info, this is due to time....

I have posted this info on here for people like you and others to have a detailed insight into the happenings of MAN, which in normal curcumstances would not be on general release.



ps. i dont mind questions being asked at all, thats exactly why i posted the document.



G-STAW

From Crains (www.crainsmanchesterbusiness.co.uk)

"Manchester Airport gets kudos at forum
Manchester Airport’s marketing strategy has been recognised at an aviation industry gathering in Malaysia. The airport was highly commended in the OAG Routes Airport Marketing Awards at a gala dinner at the 14th World Route Development Forum in Kuala Lumpur."

Depressing library picture of busy T2 line up with AC, CX and AI.

little update on the new tower...

"plans have been haulted"-thats directly from the NATS supervisor when i spoke to him in the tower today.

he said that,they dont mind keeping their current position,but atm they have no backup establishment in case of a fire.

G-STAW

Has it not surprised anybody that MAN has no direct link to Vienna?

I noticed as I looked through the SkyEurope website (an airline which was apparently in one of the worst positions BEFORE Silverjet, Eos et al went bust). I noticed that they don't have any links from their base in VIE to any UK/EIRE airport?

I know during the current economic climate it is more about hanging on to what you have got opposed to spreading it out, but if they were to start links from VIE to destinations in the UK/EIRE (MAN, BHX, DUB), there may be a small market for it.

At the moment though, AMS/LHR/CDG/FRA are our destinations if we want to go onto Austria at the moment from MAN.

Vienna
 

Sky Europe fly to Bratislava, which sounds very exotic but is very near Vienna. About 50 minutes drive; and they used to put a bus on - don't know if they still do.
It might be quicker taking that option than changing at the destinations you mentioned.

The Sky Europe Bratislava route is probably why nobody else wants to get back on the VIE route.
Air Berlin did a very good connection via STN for a while, but the STN & VIE ex STN flights are now both gone.
Austrian had pencilled in a return to MAN-VIE in 2006 but have since confirmed they no longer any interest in the route.
I use Lufthansa or SWISS if I need to go to VIE.

Perhaps FlyNiki will be interested when they have their new E190s next May/June?

There are still good buses from BTS to VIE to tie in with the MAN flight's arrival at BTS.

It wasn't that long ago that BACX had a direct service on the EMB145s to VIE. Now that FlyBe have taken over from BACX, it seems that they only serve certain Austrians destinations for ski/hiking type purposes at certain times of the year. And then Austrian/Tyrolean come to MAN for a few weekends per year as well on ski routes.

BACX direct to VIE was also horrifically expensive. Maybe thats why the operation ended. BA direct from MAN to VIE was £120 more expensive than going via LHR. I wound up going via MXP with Alitalia. It was the same price for two people to go with Alitalia than one person with BA via LHR and as for the direct price from MAN with BACX then you could go to Atlanta with DAL for less.

I think this was a cynical ploy with BACX to force pax to go via LHR to protect their precious LHR slots.

Steve

LS announce DLM services for next summer.

BA Prices
 

Standard BA ploy Steve. I have done a few MAN-MAD trips & prices via LGW/LHR were ALWAYS cheaper than on the BACX direct flights.

As for VIE, pre BACX ERJ service,it wasn't that long ago that Lauda operated a CRJ200 twice a day & for the most part they were always pretty full.

Always more expensive to go direct
 

Standard industry practice surely? People expect to be incentivised for taking a longer, indirect routing. Direct flights always likely to be more expensive.

According to the Ryanair thread, the airline has today announced a new scheduled service between MAN and CAGLIARI.

Ryanair
 

Shed

I don't think it is announced yet but it has appeared in the UK version
on the FR site (in the OLCI), which is usually a very good sign.

Pete

Appearing on front page of their website now.

Starts 29th March 2009.

Starts 1 April

Twice a week (Wed & Sun) arr 16:25 dep 16:50. That'll help keep that passenger figures up... :E

Every little helps. Two 738s per week operating for 6 mths gives total capacity of about 21000 seats. Which is roughly equivalent to half what Air Nostrum could carry on a daily service to MAD over a complete year.

I recollect that it's meant to be 4 new destinations per seasonal timetable change, so I reckon that 3 more routes will be revealed over the coming weeks.

It will indeed help, but at average FR loadfactors 21000 seats equates to around 17800 pax which is roughly the same capacity as a return J.41 serice every day. Not really going to help fill the void being left by the capacity reductions on the IT front and not the level of new business MAN should be aspiring to. At the end of the day by encouraging the loco's MAN is in danger of helping put the final nails in the coffins of the 'full fare' carriers it should be trying to attract and support if it wants to truly be a regional hub.

Have to disagree with your last statement Andy. A "full fare" airline will struggle to regularly fill aircraft at MAN if it is perceived that the ticket price is over inflated. There may well be the greatest concentration of wealth outside London within 5 miles of the airport, but those people on the whole, as well as the rest of the population of Greater Manchester and surrounding area are not prepared to pay over the odds for a plane ticket.

In fact, the only feasible chance of a regional hub is if the airport embraces the lo-co's. BA have retrenched to LHR - I would not be surprised if they chose to scale back the eurofleet at LGW even - the rest of the UK has to go to London to travel BA. BMI are still operating out of the regions, but have very valuable slots at LHR that they need to protect, so their emphasis quite rightly is there for the time being. FlyBe are about the closest to operating MAN as a hub and there is room for a.n.other.

The other issue, of course, is the question regarding "hubs"...is that really the most workable solution to aircraft management? Time will tell.