There appears to be alot of noises coming from a tread in T+C's from the bmi pilots quite rightly looking at legal action with reference to their 3 year paydeal being revoked. (in an appauling fashion I must say)
What about the bmibaby lot??? Not heard too much except from an email that everyone received from NT. Maybe if 'we' make some more pilots redundant they will honour the bmi payrise :ugh: What a mess...:( |
Just because you donnot know about something does not mean it is not happening:=
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~It was a sort of lifo at base with other criteria, Balpa did not agree.
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Is anyone aware of any forthcoming end of lease retirements from the Baby fleet?
jethro jethro's UK and Ireland Airline Fleet Listings |
Will that not leave baby with not enough aircraft for the summer routes or is the operation planned with 18 aircraft? Will they leasing two Airbus from mainline again for the summer?
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Everyone suggested that the summer programme was worked out for the aircraft remaining after the winter handbacks, that was before the unexpected high demand for med routes materialised. However, with the additional routes and rotations I wouldn't mind betting we'll see big brother "helping us out" over the summer especially when the inevitable tech problems start. If it happens it will no doubt mean a further reduction at baby next winter as crews and aircraft (costs) are more easily cut and then replaced on a "helping you out basis" by mainline again next summer. It looks like the plan from where I am uncomfortably sitting that the baby management have lost control of the company, that's if they ever had much anyway.
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It looks like the plan from where I am uncomfortably sitting that the baby management have lost control of the company, that's if they ever had much anyway |
WW have no one to blame but themselves. Knackered aircraft, horrible schedules, appalling timekeeping, pretty cheap and nasty on board (although the crew do the best with what they have to work with) AND they are not that cheap to fly with. No wonder they are loosing market share. Brian I have now voted with my feet and have no intention of returning either personally or for the many Czech family flights I book each year. Also with respect to losing market share, over the past few weeks I have been nothing short of spammed by WW marketing and special offers; the last time this happened was with Speed Ferries just before their news broke... |
I notice that once again WW are about to move to their distinctly unappealing summer schedule. As it stands I'm having to travel with Flybe on Saturday because WW don't operate a service on Saturday. Then the Friday afternoon (16:55) EDI-BHX flight is about to morph into an evening flight (19:15). Most the people on this flight are commuters of one sort or another who (like me) won't appreciate arriving home at the end of the evening on a Friday. I for one will be voting with my feet and joining a busier Flybe flight at a far better time. Oh for the days of BA/BA Connect....
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BMI Baby BHX - EDI
Businesstraveller
Only guessing to a certain extent but the problem with operating two flights a day the 1500 (as it was) was far too early as a last northbound. This has recently changed to 16.00/16.30 but still a little early for day returns from EDI. The pax figures suffered and now that there will be only four based aircraft from the end of the month running a tight schedule they have needed to tweak the timings of some flights and certainly EDI is not great. Could EDI, GLA and BFS end up as Regional like the Aberdeen? Pete |
Bmi Baby
See Bmibaby in gone from noc to glasgow route. If they d'ont watch the noc to man & Bhx route they will be gone as time keeping and canceling of route pax will and do fly gwy to man and bhx on shannon route so get up or get out
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'Could EDI, GLA and BFS end up as Regional like the Aberdeen?'
Now if the Baby routes from BHX became BMI Regional like Aberdeen is about to become, that would be great. It would go some way to replacing the loss of a proper domestic carrier when BA/BA Connect pulled out of BHX. I won't hold my breath though. |
BMI Baby Canx Cardiff to Almeria route
Can anyone shed any light on BMIBaby cancelling the Cardiff to Almeria route May-Oct09.
I have telephoned them today and they have confirmed that they will not be operating the routes and have stopped selling any more tickets, but they insist that I will be travelling. Are they going to try and fob me off with another destination - Malaga, a 3 and a half hour drive away or Alicante a 4 and a half hour drive away? Neither of which I want! Or can I be optimistic and hope that they are going to charter a private jet for me and my family :D !!!!!!! |
i would ring them and ask who is operating the route....
If they insist that you are travelling on the route, the contract must be in place for the operation of the route and they should advise you how you are getting there.... If they can't tell you, i wouldn't trust that you are going if i'm honest!! |
SHOCKER !! :cool:
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Its not available on their website anymore either :(
If you are looking for an alternative Ryanair - STN easyJet - LGW Monarch - BHX, MAN |
WW might just re-allocate you on an EMA - Almeria flight.
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Now, now polkadotwellies, don't exagerate!
Airport to airport:
Malaga - Almeria 2.75 hours (will be even quicker when they complete the motorway) Alicante - Almeria 3.25 hours Don't forget Murcia - Almeria 3 hours I have driven these routes many times when there are no, or no suitable Birmingham - Almeria flights! Bet Baby offer you East Midlands - Almeria! |
BmiBaby New Routes?????
looks like WW are going to be operating a few new routes, it shows on the Air DB as
CWL-DUB DUB-EDI EDI-FCO interesting.... |
DUB-EDI and EDI-FCO sound stupid to me, taking on FR on their home turf.. CWL-DUB is a good move though.
8028410q |
Where these flights operated for the Six Nations rugby that have crept back into the system?
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Bmibaby never operated such flight from Cardiff for the 6 nations but they may had seen the extra flights offered into BRS by Ryanair and by Dublin at CWL and thought they would give it a shot, Similar to what they have done on the BFS?
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It's for the 6 nations in 2010.
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So they're planning to be around until at least 2010 then ;)
Perhaps this is the direction the airline will head for in the future, reduced focus on scheduled operations and more focus on ad-hoc charters, flying for tour operators and contract work, didn't Aer Arann recently go down this road? I'm not so sure though that their tired fleet is particularly suited to such work without internal refits though |
I'm not so sure though that their tired fleet is particularly suited to such work without internal refits though
Gayfriendly You clearly haven't been on a baby aircraft for some time then? but i do agree that they are a bit long in the tooth for 3rd party charters, i think you will see more ad hoc sports flights like the MAN Oporto last week. |
It's a very good idea and i think the amount of extra revenue they picked up in this years 6 nations flights due to their new t & c's and charges they have decided to make the most of it. I hope that these are on top of the extra flights usually operated to during these days.
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Inkjet,
To be fair no I haven't been on a Baby flight since last summer, July 2008 - flew BHX-MAD on an internally tatty and quite dirty aircraft, they have been refitting their fleet since then I take it? Good luck to Baby if they go down the 3rd party charter route, with the right aircraft and product this could be a good moneyspinner, I think Titan do quite well out of this line of work? |
GayFriendly
I think you'll find Titan is going to have problems this year when you have the likes of bmi mainline entering the charter market and effectively undercutting them. Titan ain't cheap, when it comes to AOG/ad hoc etc.
I think airlines will have to be pretty desperate before they call the likes of Titan for assistance. |
Thats why they call Titan and the likes when its desperate. Also dont forget that there are three airlines out of the system compared to last year. XL, EAAC and Flightline. There is also a culture shock from operating a schedule service to being up and ready to operate in an hour. I think you will find Titan have a good mix on there flying.
Sorry getting away from Baby. |
BMI Baby Interiors
I fly on BMI Baby pretty much every week. Some interiors are fairly decent (leatherette upholstery) but most are pretty tired (are they old Britannia interiors?). Last week I was on the front row at 2A - next to 2B which had its seat base missing - how bad does that look to all the boarding PAXs? Oh, and to add to the quality experience the inside casing for my window fell out - classy! :ok:
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Businesstraveller
Sorry to hear about the seat base, the cabins on most have been refitted over the winter together with new paint and larger logo, the fact remains that they aren't spring chickens and the number of cabin defects reflect that. They start off OK but the hammer and abuse that they get takes its toll, some of our fleet will carry over 750 pax a day each and they aren't all size 10's
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Happened to travel from BHX to NOC recently on a Friday was about 50 pax on board. Had a look at the CAA stats for January through to March, MAN & BHX to NOC down between 30 & 50%. They must be losing their shirts on these routes. Is this symptomatic of their overall network?
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In a word , NO !
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bhx-noc
iwhak
I am not sure where you are getting the load factors from for the BHX-Knock service. March CAA Stats show 3295 pax. If this is divided by the number of sectors which was 38 (I noted all BHX's daily departures down to work out average pax per flight). My figure has tallied with acarsd with 26 sectors operated by the 733 and 12 by the 735. I make it an average of 87 per flight and a load factor of 60%. February was worse at 67 per flight and about 50% load factor January was 61 per flight or 43% load factor. It is not great and possibly Baby's worse peforming route from BHX and I would say if there was another a route to go it would be Knock but having said that they have released seats for sale next winter. Pete |
Sweetie 76, have you ever flown on board a Titan 737 vip a/c on a charter ?
The interiors,service and catering are in a different league to what Baby could offer. They may be expensive ,but thats the market they are pitching at. |
freightdoggy dog
Titan's VIP interior is very plush and works well for corporate charters, but with only 131 seats on 737-300 the cost per seat is much higher than Jet2 or bmibaby config of 148 (737-300) or 131 (bmibaby 737-500) on a corporate charter it doesn't matter because in most cases you won't have more than 80-100 guests anyway, but going down to the Med or winter ski charter these flights are often fully booked, even if they don't all turn up!
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Olton Pete
Had you read my post I never referred to load factors. I travelled on the route, load was very poor. Looked at the CAA stats and year on year it is way down. I've no axe to grind, just asking the question. Appreciate you looking deeper into it thanks! |
bhx-noc
iwhak
Sorry, I see where you are coming from. However part of the reason for the drop is that baby have been operating between 10-20 less sectors per month per the punctuality stats but you are right it is still in freefall. 60 services operated in March 08 compared to 38 this year. Even without the Easter pax in this years figures it is still about 15% drop in load factor. January was less of a drop from 50% to 43% load factor but still not good as fares were low. In fact the load you have described is awful for Friday, one route to watch. Pete |
Bhx - Noc
Big drop from the days when MyTravelLite carried 100K on the route with an A320. But there was a lot less capacity into the North of England in 2003, and I guess Ryanair's EMA route has eaten into the numbers.
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Since about 2003 roughly EMA has always had a NOC route, bmibaby operated it, and FR now operate, so either way, there has been flights from EMA and BHX has been able to still expand on that, My travel lite probably got 100K because there was no NOC flight for about a year at EMA before FR took over.
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