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MUFC_fan 24th Jun 2009 12:37

Take your pick - over the past 12 months banks have amazed us across the globe!:ok:

Extreme case but you know what I mean.;)

racedo 24th Jun 2009 12:48

MUFC

Yeah do know what you mean BUT given the straits the banks are in plus one of the main reasons why bankers going back and forward in Mergers and Acquiistion deals and that is dead at the moment then this service could be a dog.

It is a good idea BUT what number of seats are required to be filled for it to break even ?

If you work on assumption there is no huge time saving, not much on cost, little on flexibility as one service a day then what is the Unique Selling Position ?

Carnage Matey! 24th Jun 2009 12:56


Tough luck on anyone else who doesn't have such a corporate backing, BA has lost interest in you, their target market is elsewhere. Public transport service my a**e.
Are you suggesting BA, a private company, should provide seats on a small, executive JFK service from LCY for peanuts so that Joe Skint can travel on it? Even though they aren't sharing any of the start-up risk that MegaBank is by block -booking seats in advance? Maybe I can try that line on BMW and see if they'll give me a big fleet car buyer discount on a 3 series?

If you don't like the price why not head to LHR where there are plenty of bargain bucket fares and two for one offers in Club World available.


Originally Posted by racedo
If you work on assumption there is no huge time saving, not much on cost, little on flexibility as one service a day then what is the Unique Selling Position ?

The time advantage is in getting from the wharf to the airport faster, 15 mins before the flight, and not having to clear immigration in the huge queue at JFK. It's also a smaller, less busy quieter cabin, superior service, and enjoys internet connectivity so you can actually keep working if you need to. Nobody takes a fligt so they can spend time hanging around airports, this service minimises that wasted time.

racedo 24th Jun 2009 13:30


The time advantage is in getting from the wharf to the airport faster, 15 mins before the flight, and not having to clear immigration in the huge queue at JFK. It's also a smaller, less busy quieter cabin, superior service, and enjoys internet connectivity so you can actually keep working if you need to. Nobody takes a fligt so they can spend time hanging around airports, this service minimises that wasted time.
Exactly how much time do you save ?

The internet connectivity stuff etc are all nice to have BUT you may find its not really wanted as Execs can and do treat it as down time.

You still have to land in Snn and that will take 1-2 hours reckon on average from wheels down to back up.

Groundloop 24th Jun 2009 14:00


You still have to land in Snn and that will take 1-2 hours reckon on average from wheels down to back up.
1-2 hours to refuel an A318 and clear a mere 32 pax through US immigrations - you're having a laugh!

MUFC_fan 24th Jun 2009 14:39

Racedo, get real.

Lets take HSBC Tower in London for example - world's biggest company according to Forbes so will have big offices at both destinations.

It is true to say that the LHR outbound flight is actually quicker than the LCY inc. transit (all three airports are contraint on slots so probably shorter than timetabled). Yet as Carnage said, it has a superior service, more of a personal service plus the extremely quick time on the ground at LCY and JFK. It really is a better product.

Plus...the return flight kicks the arse of an LHR flight:ok:

Most people are saying 'never go to LHR it's cr*p, yet now they want them to go there!:confused:

racedo 24th Jun 2009 16:30


1-2 hours to refuel an A318 and clear a mere 32 pax through US immigrations - you're having a laugh!
That is the time you will lose V a direct flight from LHR.

It will not be done in less than an hour and taking average 1-2 hours is not unreasonable.

racedo 24th Jun 2009 16:35

MUFC

There are elements that will appeal BUT you assume that people will necessarily want to get back into LCY and then go home from there, I'd suggest probably not.

Its the assumption people will stay in office until just before flight and then race back in after flight.........think human body will disuade many people of that idea after a very short term.

I think service is 3-4 years too late.

MUFC_fan 24th Jun 2009 16:52

Exactly - that is the whole point:confused:

BA are marketing it as being able to work one day in NYC then pop on a plane, sleep and get straight into work in central London, not Heathrow

Cyrano 24th Jun 2009 18:36


BA are marketing it as being able to work one day in NYC then pop on a plane, sleep and get straight into work in central London, not Heathrow
OK, but if I were a potential passenger contemplating just that, you know what would dissuade me? The lack of arrivals facilities including showers. The idea of getting off an overnight flight and going straight to the office is not an appealing one - I'd choose LHR just for the shower. Oh, sure, maybe my office has showers. Maybe there's a health club nearby I could use. But that adds to the hassle.

davidjohnson6 24th Jun 2009 18:57

Pretty much all large banks in London have a few showers somewhere in their main building. Furthermore, the facilities management team in the building will often reserve a shower if somebody senior sends an email in advance.

HZ123 24th Jun 2009 18:58

There will be a small arrivals club lounge that will have this facility with an attendant. We did try this once before at LHR with a lady to press your suit while you showered and shaved. It turned out she was also offering additional services to start the day.

davidjohnson6 24th Jun 2009 20:13


It turned out she was also offering additional services to start the day.
Tea, coffee, cornflakes, orange juice, pain au chocolat ? Is that the kind of thing you mean ?

CarbHeatIn 24th Jun 2009 21:01

Did BA consider operating it into La Guardia considering the International side of things has been dealt with at SNN? Something in the recesses of my mind about flights out of LGA to destinations greater than a certain distance are banned?

MUFC_fan 24th Jun 2009 21:45

I think it is a distance thing - 2500m radius?

Hotel Mode 25th Jun 2009 08:11

Within 1 day of going on sale there appears to be no availablity on certain days LCY-JFK and single digits most other days.

Ametyst2 27th Jun 2009 15:33

From 25th October flights to Gibraltar, Malaga and Pisa will move from Gatwick to Heathrow. A Daily Gatwick to Pisa service will operate alongside the Heathrow flights for Summer 2010. Gatwick to Varna also becomes a Summer only service.Gatwick flights to Alicante, Barcelona, Krakow, Madrid, Malta and Palma will be discontinued from 25th October and will not be re-introduced for Summer 2010.Heathrow to Barcelona will be increased from 5 to 7 Flights a Day.

nivsy 27th Jun 2009 22:43

BA chop and change the Gibraltar service back and forward from LHR and LGW.

However having a quick search for November sees the fare showing at 160 pound each way - surely an error or has the Walsh Crowd just simply lost the plot and dont want to carry any pax anymore on this route....

EasyJet thanks for the service you provide to Gatwick - and in most cases the prices that go along with it. Still wish GB Airways were flying though.......


Nivsy

PAXboy 2nd Jul 2009 01:56

I've searched this thread but could not find the answer to this.

WT+ on the 744:
Are there laptop power points?
If so - of what kind?

Thanks.

Globaliser 2nd Jul 2009 08:07


Originally Posted by PAXboy (Post 5034931)
WT+ on the 744:
Are there laptop power points?
If so - of what kind?

Yes, in every seat; Empower-compatible. See this page.


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