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Jet2Leeds 9th Oct 2007 18:07

jet2 plus
 
from 28th Oct on all flights to the canaries,

Jet2 will launch jet2 plus,
for the £25 extra on top of your fee:

Security Fast track
Seating in the front cabin
Priority Check in
VIP lounge access
Premium in flight meal (chicken outbound / tuna inbound)

Jet2Leeds 9th Oct 2007 18:29

As far as next summer is concerned is it not true several routes operated at present are to have reduced frequencies ie Prague

Donny forum says prague and Jersey cancelled next year so this would beef up if anything these routes imperticular

Man - 733 to LBA & LBA's & 752 to Man
Sounds very sensible both on a the issue of Cat 2/3 issues and if there getting the loads

Does Begg the Q of 76's thou from LBA Bar good summer weather

Plus these new routes would'nt think they will fill a 752 to start with = will need the rigs to cover rotation/destinations covered within 24hrs say

Jet2Leeds 9th Oct 2007 18:41

Mergers
 
Not Sure where to post is one ??
With the Mergers of Thomson & First Choice. And I believe My Travel & Thomas Cook
Does one feel there may be some Good Fall out for J2 as it were for takeing on routes that may be deemed by there new management as not worthwhile
within there bigger picture etc etc

harrogate 9th Oct 2007 20:13

"Absolutely nothing !What I was eluding to was that their acquisition may not be proving as straight forward as some perceive."

So what? Procurement issues in this era of corporate beaurocracy, red tape and financial ineptitude are the blight of progress in just about every industry. And all airlines are suffering procurement problems - it's not unique to Jet2. The lack of certain types of aircraft on the global lease market are causing longer waits for new aircraft. In fact, airlines wanting new aircraft in the next 5-7 years unarguably have the biggest headaches of all as demand far outstrips production capacity. Another significant problem for airlines the world over is the ever growing global shortage of pilots. But, everybody's pretty much in the same boat on all counts here.

Mr Skyman - You seem about as shackled to convention as it is possible to be, but in our domestic industry in which that attitude is seemingly endemic, I'm not surprised.

Things change. The Lo-co model WILL evolve in Europe. It's commercially insane to think otherwise. What's more, it's highly likely that Jet2 will make a contribution to fundamental change in the UK and european market far beyond their stature.

It's impossible for the industry to carry on as it is - the route innovation that the companies are currently (and have been for the past decade) cycling through is a finite concept. It's a drawn-out learning curve where all of these companies with a very similar product are collectively learning from each other and contributing to a vast knoweldge-pool. This could well be a commercial gift for those who are savvy enough to learn from it most effectively. And quickest.

The 'winners' will be the ones that push our brand of lo-co (lo-co is definitely not the same the world over, to the extent that lo-co as a term is fast becoming very vague and useless) into new territory and open up doors that have been closed to operators of the current model. I absolutely promise you that this will happen. It's so obvious that I feel condescending in even typing it.

The subject is my vocation and the intricacies of lo-co is my specialism, for what it's worth. Jet2 - with their shortcomings and limitations (as all lo-co's have... some more than others, and each being unique), have already shown a capacity to evolve the model by altering a primary - the primary -feature: type variation. I'm not talking about phasing from one-type to another as others have done. I mean that Jet2 are building a model based on different types for different needs. I know I'm stating the obvious there, but the result is that they are a lo-co, but not as we in the UK know it.

Jet2's prodding and manouevering seems to demonstrate a commercial comprehension beyond that of their competitors - or at least, beyond the dare of their competitors at the moment. On the face of it, more fool the bigger players for still not entirely latching onto what is written in the stars for the industry as a whole. However, I sense their hesitance may be cautionary, and even wise.

It's by no means rosey for Jet2, because they may be the fall guy and although they are showing signs of being a key catalyst for model change, walking through the unchartered territory might kill them. The bigger players maybe holding back, safe in the knowledge that they can committ greater capacity and investment (by way of their size) to the evolved way, should it prove viable. Jet2 could be everyone's guinea pig, which may or may not work out well for them.

The comparisons to VB are clear and definitely commercially founded, if not parallel or faithful to the VB business model as a whole. I also know for a fact that the UK industry is looking and learning a lot from lo-co in Australia and several other key lo-co markets globally. That goes without saying anyway.

I'm entirely unibiased. I don't have a vested interest in Jet2, although I do have a vested interest in the industry - it's how I feed myself and pay my mortgage.

MUFC_fan 9th Oct 2007 20:41

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7036384.stm

Quite interesting.

Mr. Meeson - new aircraft are needed by Nov. 2009 or your airline will be increasing it's prices!

Good to see that the government has heard the voices and has acted accordingly - come on Cameron - what do you say to that!:}

Obviously, there is alot to do by 2009 for many airlines, but if LS is wanting to grow at a rate it currently is, then they need to replace their guzzling 733s soon!

I think the 752s would pass the test wouldn't they? Aren't they still the greenest single-isle a/c per seat or something like that on short/medium haul routes? Or is it either the A321/B739ER?

682ft AMSL 9th Oct 2007 20:50

I've not seen any detail on the proposals, but it all we've got to on is the link above, it states that the tax is;
" to encourage more efficient use of planes"
not
" to encourage use of more efficient planes"

Channex101 9th Oct 2007 22:02

Shouldnt be to much of a prob when the 737NGs arrive then should it?!

GrahamK 10th Oct 2007 14:34

Blackpool-Ibiza announced today for S08

MUFC_fan 10th Oct 2007 18:15

AMS and DUS also added to the S08 from LBA.

The routes are leaking out slowly!

Still MAN and NCL to come!

Also noticed that the EDI-Avignon flights will route via LBA twice a week next summer (Tues&Thurs) of the three weekly flights (other flight will be on Saturday which is still non-stop.

flybar 14th Oct 2007 15:02

£540 return with Jet2 to Paris next weekend
Market forces or profiteering??

pwalhx 14th Oct 2007 16:00

Market forces of course, is any other airline offering cheap flights, I bet not

MUFC_fan 14th Oct 2007 16:13

Cheapest from the North West is EZY from LPL.

AF, LS and LS are all charging within £100 of each other (when selecting the appropriate flight times).

If you are travelling to Paris next weekend, you have no chance of getting a cheap ticket wherever you fly from!

TSR2 14th Oct 2007 18:37

EZY from LPL out on Friday return Monday £316.11 return

BigT2207 14th Oct 2007 20:23

From LBA Saturdays flight is already full




Big T

DONTTELLTHEPAX 14th Oct 2007 21:02

Ryanair PIK-BVA std 0640 £9.99

Johnny F@rt Pants 15th Oct 2007 09:27

PIK - BVA, wouldn't that be Scotland to Paris:confused:

Are Scotland involved in the rugby final...........thought not:\







:}

andy mach 1 15th Oct 2007 09:55

PIK flights maybe of use to English or South African fans living in Scotland or the very north of England as we all know that Scotland did not get to the final!!

exrotarybooty 15th Oct 2007 13:39

Flybar

Tickets, not for a jet2 flight but to attend the match, are now exchanging hands for £5000; Market forces or profiteering??

I guess a hotel room would be a tad more expensive than usual if there was one available. ;)

ERB

Mike Rowburst 15th Oct 2007 22:53

JET2 - NG or not NG?
 
So,
Having found out that Jet2's quest to get pilots qualified on the 737NG failed before the first recruits had even got past the simulator.......was it the management pulling the plug on progress or had the students become over enthusiastic? Will Jet2 ever get a newish aircraft? Answers (or guesses) on a postcard.....:ugh:

Vicarious 16th Oct 2007 15:09

Guys, any idea what's going on with Jet2 and Faro? Have they stopped serving the airport to do other things?

silverhawk 16th Oct 2007 15:12

Winter schedules start soon

TSR2 16th Oct 2007 15:28

Vicarious
 
Faro is on sale from Blackpool for Summer 08 so I would think other airports will follow shortly.

ryan2000 16th Oct 2007 21:03

Jet2 Cork
 
Heard that Cork maybe getting an additional Jet 2 service.

MUFC_fan 16th Oct 2007 21:05

That will probably be LBA.

Would love it to be BLK though - threetimes weekly, very nice!:}

aeulad 16th Oct 2007 21:28

My money is on Blackpool to Cork.

Regards

Mike

en2r 16th Oct 2007 23:16

I'd guess LBA-Cork, however could Edinburgh-Cork be a possibility? Aer Arann do very well on the route despite some very cheeky fares.

POL1W 17th Oct 2007 08:10

I wouldn't think it was going to be LBA-ORK, as Aer Arran are going daily on the route from November I believe. Possibly could be Blackpool. A nice short sector to slot in between something else maybe.

silverhawk 17th Oct 2007 13:12

Probably due to the airframes in question not standing up to scrutiny.

GoEDI 31st Oct 2007 16:52

What's all this talk of a B752 moving from NCL to EDI? Can't see that being neccessary with the current route network on offer from EDI.

Channex101 31st Oct 2007 16:57

Not sure but NCL is loosing 1 757. Both are in NCL now but only 1 is needed. STN crew are currently being checked out on 757 as well so could one be heardin their way? 1 extra 757 to join the fleet in Apr.

commit aviation 31st Oct 2007 20:45

3 LBA 3 MAN 1 BFS & 1 NCL for winter.

I believe C checks called every 18 months on 757s so the 2 that had C checks last winter and the 3 aircraft that joined the fleet spring 07 will all need work from the middle of summer 08!! So maybe 757 number 9 will be needed mainly to help out with maintenance....

2Planks 1st Nov 2007 15:02

VLC seems to have dropped from favour for next summer. 2007 LBA 4 per week, NCL 3 per week and MAN daily. 2008 LBA 3 per week. Any ideas (vested interest!).

Uncle Monty 1st Nov 2007 15:42

Does anyone know if Bergamo has been dropped from Belfast for summer 08?

It has disappeared from the destinations served list from Belfast.

tristar500 1st Nov 2007 18:49

I think Jet2 are becomming the 'jewel in the crown' of low cost carriers...

WHY?

* Jet2 have slowly built up their fleet, consistently and in keeping pace
with demand.

* Using the right aircraft for the route in question.

* Having the aircraft work day and night might not be ideal, but it brings in
money and by having the right people at the helm, especially in Flt Ops and
Flt Planning, and Engineering this usually isnt a problem for the day flights.

* Concentrating on their own market. UK / European destinations.
This is the reason why Jet2 differ from other low-costs, and why Jet2 will be a success.

Expansion will no doubt follow but with caution and when it does, it will also be successful.

:ok:

MUFC_fan 1st Nov 2007 19:25

I totally agree with what you say but also, there are some other points needed to be made:

1. LS jump into routes without taking the appropriate research.
2. They seem to avoid routes that seem blatently obvious!
3. After starting a route, they give no time for it to blossom if it is a poor starter.

Just think, if Dr. Ryan took that attitude 15 years ago and just gave up on MOL and Ryanair, then we wouldn't be flying around for 1p everywhere! Any-EZY would rule the skies!:eek:

Anyway, I think LS will be the next 'big boy' out of the UK lot. WW and ZB aren't doing much anywhere and LS have started to tap into the LCC unknown - 752, XL partnership, possible long haul, holiday company etc.

Bring on EZY and FR!:}

MANBLK 2nd Nov 2007 08:49

XL partnership? What's that about?

TSR2 2nd Nov 2007 09:08

XL Partnership
 
Jet2 Holidays are to use XL Airways for the long(er) haul routes during summer 08. Not so much a partnership, just utilising capacity of XL.

Binder 2nd Nov 2007 10:00

Jet 2 also differ from other LCC's.

They have just about the oldest average fleet age.

Easy/Ryan 2.5 years.
BMIbaby 12 years
Jet 2 16 years!

At some point this will become a burden won't it?

Binder

wawkrk 2nd Nov 2007 10:33

Jet 2 also differ from other LCC's.
They have just about the oldest average fleet age.
Easy/Ryan 2.5 years.
BMIbaby 12 years
Jet 2 16 years!

Ryanair have only just phased out the 732!
Jet2 started with newer aircraft than Ryanair.

MANBLK 2nd Nov 2007 11:04

Phew re XL. I heard it was 50 MYT seats per week to Egypt.

Maybe PM is waiting until the world is awash with surplus aircraft. No point in buying now at top price.


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