Wellcome to this great county!
 

Looking at your posts I bet your a fibbing manc without a map!lol. Well done for choosing Leeds though - you're very nearly in the middle there. Sorry mods - getting off track so I'll shut up for a bit.

Regards,

Leeds App.

Actually worked at Yeadon for 6 years until the Cargo agent I worked for moved off airport, like most did. So am well acquainted with the route from Halifax.

As has been mentioned many times in the past and the point I was making is what lets LBA down is the road network.

As for where I fly from I use both Leeds and Manchester dependant on destination and price and availability.

I think you were unfortunate to have had a two hour journey from Halifax to the airport unless your Tomtom isn't all that good. :rolleyes: I regularly travel from near LBA in Yeadon to Manchester and it normally takes around 45 to 55 minutes except in peek rush hour between 0730 and 0900 and 1630 and 1800 when it takes around 80 minutes. In all honesty, even if I lived near the M62 in say Leeds, it would still take me the about 80 minutes in rush hour to get to Manchester airport because of congestion on the M62. So the Motorway theory is floored as far as I am concerned.

I was driving castleford-manchester airport on a daily basis for work. It took me anywhere from 60-90 minutes, longest time took 3hrs 17 minutes though

New From EDI
 

La Rochelle and Toulouse from Edinburgh for summer 08.


Big T

anyone know when the schedule for MAN-BCN will be announced or when will it go on sale ?

Have The 767's Turned Up Yet ?

As per, all seems to have gone quiet on the subject of 767's after all the hype. I hope some more info will come around soon.

"Have The 767's Turned Up Yet ?"

Yes, the captain was Lord Lucan and the copilot was Shergar :}

Newcastle-Cork
 

Any idea on how loads are doing?:confused:

Expansion at Man? - erm, not quite!
 

I see, having just tried to book a return trip to Amsterdam next year, that good old Jet2 have decided to pull the Man service. It looks like there are no ops from January 2008 onwards. Marvellous, there's another day out ruined!
Looks like the "Orange" theme will have to be adopted now - what tosh!!:(

Adola said...
I see you are in Cheshire, so does that make you closer to LPL or MAN?

Here in sunny (:hmm:) Norfolk, NWI gives us the choice of KLM or Flybe for AMS - Flybe cheaper, but only once a day, KLM with a bit more choice!

Have flown Jet2 MAN-AMS a few times before I moved down here, though, with no problems at all.

Jet 2 and Dalaman & others
 

Can anybody answer why J2 has'nt/does'nt fly to Dalaman. Has this would appear to be apopular destination from lba over the last 5 years or so,Reading elsewher huy will have 5 flt per wk with 3 on same day.
Likewise Malta, the former yugoslavia Drubrovnik, pula etc these used to fly lba many yars ago

Bulgaria/ Romainia etc as theres a growing population of these from them joining of the EU just as the polish contingent from the war and EU membership...

When you have a finite number of airframes and overnight parking stands, it is not possible to operate every route around. Choices have to be made and the 8 new routes for S08 from LBA must have appealed to LS more then the likes of Malta, or Bulgaria etc. It is simply a question of which route do you sacrifice to serve Bulgaria. As more airframes become available in the future, then who knows, and the list of possible future candidates for destinations could be very long, both within Europe and beyond.

When the airline orders new aircraft expect more bases, routes etc. as the airline will undergo a major expansion - abroad and at home.

It is just when they will order new aircraft...:ugh:

It seems that LS had the idea of diverting an inbound BCN flight the other week at the last minute before approaching LBA.:rolleyes:

The Captain informed the Pax that he had being told to Divert to MAN by Ops, To have the 757 ready to take out a delayed FAO flight!!

The 'Bewildered Pax' were then bussed back to LBA arriving back some 2 hours later than expected.:=

The Pax had nothing offered, Or information whatsoever.

What a dirty trick!:*

Is Jet2 getting too 'comfy' with MAN??:hmm:


After all it was 'born' in Yorkshire.:D

Don't think so...look at the routes that have been given-up ex MAN (some never started such as Warsaw)....I suspect they are having harder times over the hill than at LBA. This is bad for the performance of the airline as a whole - anyone that claims to be a supporter of LBA ought not to be wishing ill on their ops at MAN for this reason.

The recent route announcements confirm LBA as the biggest base and even if / when the long haul toe is dipped in the waters - and most people seem to think this will be from NCL - I don't think LBA will be far behind.

Regarding the BCN div to MAN....yes not pleasant for the LBA pax, but there were probably very good reasons to get what was (I believe) a heavily delayed FAO flight out. Good reasons being a flight cancellation / a sub / or hotac being provided.

"Jet2" has to way up it options, does it inconvenience and delay 230 pax for 2 to 3 hours or 400 plus on the Faro flights for 12 to 20 hours?
I know what l would have done, sorry LBA.
You have to know the whole picture, in this case the divert was done l guess because Faro shuts at night, hence the time l quoted 12 to 20 hours.
Then you will have the pax the next day delayed while Jet2 tries to get its network back on time, so you see it's 230 or many hundreds inconvenienced.
This statement is based on common sense as l don't work for Jet2 or even know the facts, it is only my opinion.

FAO closes at night, so diverting the BCN to MAN would save time in getting the A/C positioned from LBA to MAN.

BYAI -

you say the pax were not given any information whatsoever . However previously you state the captain informed the pax that they were diverting and the reason why.:ugh::ugh:

I wonder what you would have wrote on here if you were on of the FAO pax that got rescued from a major delay :=

I fly with Jet2 a few times a year, and they actually sent me a questionaire about what I thought of a 'premium' upgrade a few months ago.
From what I remember, they were proposing £35 per person per sector for:
*Priority Check-In
*Fast track security
*VIP Lounge
*Free newspaper
*Free meal-deal
*Seats at front of the cabin

I told them I wouldn't be interested... but it looks like they've had a play around with the idea anyway.
On the feed-back form I suggested throwing in leg-room would be more a pull than a free paper! Also, come on... seats at the 'front' are hardly a plus are they? You can get them for nothing at check-in!

Profit warning today from the owners of Jet 2, expect expansion at a slower pace.

Indeed

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u...ing.3257791.jp

This was foreseen, according to a chum of mine. It's not a surprise. They've hopped on the back of a few unexpected ventures since forecasting last year, so the expenditure went out the window and they ran with it.

All very opportunistic. Let's hope they're being careful.

Had a sneak preview of the Premium cold meal today. It's a crispy salad with pasta and slivers of meat. A large piece of baguette as well. Fairly strong dressing, which will be an advantage in retaining the taste at altitude. despite my initial skepticism, it's actually very acceptable. Fairly decent portion size as well.

(Note to Moderators: this is not an advert it's a consumer response)

Dart Group announcement
 

The recent route expansion announcements regarding LBA and on the flip side of the coin the retrenchments that are occurring at places in northern England that aren't LBA (for want of a better phrase), I believe, give a clue to where the company is making money and where it isn't!

The hints (elsewhere) that some of the current MAN 737 fleet being brought to Yeadon to support this route expansion rather than adding more (737)frames would also seem to confirm that first belief.

Is the announcement of Jet2plus on the Canary routes a test of some sort of premium product that might be offered on the much talked-about long-haul services? One longhaul unit at NCL and the second elsewhere?

Discuss.

I reckon the 'plus' service has to be a test of an upcoming premium offering, and it's good news for a market sector that's on the eve of a critical period, where only those who adapt will survive in the long-term.

I applaud Jet2 for all the poking and repositioning they do. They're clearly looking to push the UK lo-co model into new territory in their adopted regions. It's a refreshing change from the trials and tribulations of some of their competitors... e.g. if the Dublin route doesn't work within a month, then sack off the airport altogether.

Even though the company has its detractors, Virgin Blue has done and is still doing a similar thing in Oz. OK, there's more competition over here, but VB are meeting the demands of leisure and business customers within their network and now they're taking their offering over the pacific. Jetstar are following suit, but seem to be focussing their long-haul aspirations on Asia.

With Jetstar and VB looking more and more to longhaul in OZ, along with Air Asia X (or whatever it's called this week) linking Asia to europe and OZ, it's only logical for UK and other european lo-co's to look towards growing the model.

No-one's saying it'll definitely work, but expansion to more distant shores is the key to self-preservation for lo-co companies the world over and perhaps the only option for sustained growth of any kind beyond the next few years for european lo-co's. Might as well get started now.

Current lo-co restrictions hurt on long-haul (OK, it's not strictly long-haul, but I've done the 5 hour Darwin and Perth to Singapore routes with Tiger... don't bother if you're over 6ft), so common sense dictates that a 'plus' service will be considered by lo-co punters on journeys of 5 hours or more.

Any chance of some 'quick change' larger aircraft, to bolster revenue by ferrying cargo, or is that lunacy?

Intresting times ahead at JET2.:ooh:
With quite a few of the 73's moving to LBA whats happening with the crew? Are they being moved over to the 75's?
What about changing the dual based BLK/MAN to LBA/MAN :}

Bartelby

Not a big issue really.....2 MAN 73's to LBA.....1 75 to MAN (Where from...? Poss NCL?)
With the issues of the under crewing this summer looks like no effect to the MAN based 73 Capts....looks like the "contract" Capts will have to move with the a/c !("IF" they choose to return!).
Company has asked for a few MAN 73 F/O's to "volunteer" to relocate to LBA but that is probably unlikely due to the number of F/O's in holding pools with other airlines !
As for where the 75 crew are coming from....????
As for "dual basing"......I feel "UK BASED" anyway !!

a300boy
 

Dont worry at Manchester you will be seeing a lot of the 757s this winter when they divert from Leeds due to not being able to use Cat 2 or 3 at our little mountain aircraft carrier. Maybe that is why the 737s are coming back to Leeds to improve the chances of passengers arriving at there chosen arrival point which is good for our adopted yorkshire airline.

Well I'm certainly surprised at this analogy. Other than both airlines are Loco's as I see it they have ZERO in common ! I've used VB & they have a slick product that has great national presence & recognition and in terms of service, their product is even better than legacy carrier QF. So in the Aus market then presumably VB can take comfort from the stregnth of their domestic route network in supporting overseas LH expansion. Insofar as Jet 2 are concerned you have simply a 'point to point' operation with the many obvious disadvantages that this presents.:ugh:

"Well I'm certainly surprised at this analogy. Other than both airlines are Loco's as I see it they have ZERO in common ! I've used VB & they have a slick product that has great national presence & recognition and in terms of service, their product is even better than legacy carrier QF. So in the Aus market then presumably VB can take comfort from the stregnth of their domestic route network in supporting overseas LH expansion. Insofar as Jet 2 are concerned you have simply a 'point to point' operation with the many obvious disadvantages that this presents."

Jesus, man! That's the point of my post.

If Jet2 follow elements of the VB model, they'll be onto something. Longhaul, domestic offering (i.e. going beyond the point-to-point remit), a basic frequent flyer program, etc.

And you're wrong. VB is not a lo-co any more. They've evolved and morphed the traditional lo-co model into a unique model that has the best of both worlds.

VB have got into such new territory now that they're actually launcing a lo-co - how does that fit into your blinkered European-centric perspective?

Here's a news source quote for you:

"Virgin Blue announced in May-07 that it was considering launching a “super low cost” subsidiary. The carrier would operate B737s and offer “extremely” cheap fares on domestic operations. At the time of the announcement the carrier stated that the new subsidiary could be in could be in place within six months – which means an announcement is probably due very soon. This would be the world’s first low cost subsidiary of a low cost airline."

I fly VB all the time when I'm in Oz (the freedoms of dual nationality... thank-you Mum) and I remember their humble beginnings and how they capitalised on the fall of Ansett. Jet2 - or any other UK lo-co for that matter - probably aren't going to get such a windfall, but they've grown in their own way already, so it's largely mission accomplished on that front.

Jet2 - with their 757s and rumoured 767s - are well placed to be the UK lo-co that breaks the mould, just like VB did. Whereas the parallels are by no means exact (as I mentioned before by saying obvioulsy there's more competition over here), it should come as no surprise that other regions will start learning from the VBs innovations.

Change. Eek! Frightening.

Wish I hadn't bothered to comment as clearly we both see an overseas success that we both have experience of, the difference is that whereas you keep on dreaming, I've taken a reality check! ;) Before you go back in at the deepend & have another pop, it may be wise to get an update on the 'rumoured' 767's, which may be proving to be yet another obstacle in the development of your percieved expansion.

I don't see why Jet2 obtaining 767's should be so shocking?

Surely a Lo-co obtaining 757's, as they did a couple of years ago must of seemed a bigger announcement. Please correct me (as I'm sure you will) but didn't that make them the only UK Lo-Co airline to have an airctaft as large as that. I did hear from someone that it was a cheaper option than buying new 737-800's at the time.

Getting more pax on for similar operating costs has obviously worked out well on the popular european summer destinations.

Every UK 757 operator, with the exception of Thomas Cook I think, uses both fleets.

If Jet2 are moving into the jet2holidays.com charter enviroment with a clearly growing market in the north of the UK then aquiring 767's seems, to me, to be a natural progression.

A man that speaks sense!

What is wrong with LS obtaining 767s?! EZY broke the mould 10 years ago...why not LS revamping aviation again?

Absolutely nothing !:ugh:What I was eluding to was that their acquisition may not be proving as straight forward as some perceive.

757 and Cat III
 

A300Boy makes good sense as to why some 737s are leaving Manchester to Leeds. The 737 can use the Cat III at Leeds while Jet2 757s are not allowed to use Cat III at Leeds (while they can at Manchester). The 757s can float too long on landing due to the humpback profile of the runway at Leeds. A little bit ironic in a way, as once firmly on the ground, the 757 can out brake a 737 any day.
So, I think it looks like a sensible move to allow for the winter weather.

As I understand it the move of the 737s from LBA to MAN is a plan for next summer and is motivated by the network plans for each base, rather than any ad-hoc weather related issues this winter. If anything there will be more 757 activity this winter at Leeds considering the addition of Las Palmas and the plans for GVA & CMF.

Compared to this summer, Summer 08 will see at least 5 extra 757 sectors from LBA (ACE x 2, PFO x 2, HER x 1). The timings mean this cannot be accommodated without either adding an extra 757 or by downsizing a selection of this summer's sectors to BCN, FAO, AGP, ALC, PMI & MJV back onto the 737 fleet. In addition, the Leeds 737s will need to pick up the recently announced expansion into Madrid, Hamburg, Geneva, France etc. So, 2 extra 737s seems reasonable and given Jet2's somewhat iffy track record on 737 routes out of MAN it's no real surprise this is where they are coming from.

MAN does need an extra 757 though to cope with ACE and TFS which will operate in the summer in 2008 and also (I presume) to avoid leasing in a -400 series 737 for the 3rd consecutive summer. BFS also looks like it needs a 757 for S08 so net growth of 2 x 757 s in these bases. If the speculation then is that Jet2 will lease one 757 from a UK charter operator and will strip one out of NCL to provide the other, then agreeing exactly what will happen at NCL next summer is likely to be a bottleneck for everything else.

A300boy
 

I am sure 682ft amsl has his facts to support his views he normally posts well informed information,and my observations were only tongue in cheek not factual. I only hope that the 757 Cat 3 at Leeds issues are fixable otherwise I fear that the excellent overall image of Jet2s reliability will be tarnished by diversions that operating 737s into Leeds would avoid. As far as next summer is concerned is it not true several routes operated at present are to have reduced frequencies ie Prague, which will give spare capacity for these extra destinations which in some cases are only weekly or twice weekly.