The airline probably can only garantee 3t on each flight, but if the space is availiable they will carry more.

Updates...
 

Just had an annual development meeting in work. Lots of things discussed including a new 10 year development plan for the Terminals and Airfield but as these are still in the early planning stages, it is probably best not to discuss the proposals at this time. All I will say is, massive overhauls are planned for the T1 piers and also for T3. What I can tell you for definate is, as of July, the current outbound control in T3 will be closed permanently and the new domestic security area will be extended and all T3 departing passengers will use this.

With regards to routes, I have the following information. Oasis Hong Kong have been in town and had several discussions with the airport. At the minute talks are ongoing and the management say the chances of a June launch are 50/50. Elsewhere, EZY have specified they want to operate from T3 but the airport have currently been unable to allocate them this terminal as it will require another airline moving out. And WW are stalling over the announcement of new routes because of lack of slot availability at the proposed destinations. Unfortunately, which destinations they are looking to launch was not disclosed.

Thats all for now.
ZB.

3T is one pallet, there is plenty more space than that in the L/D of a 744.

Does anyone know why its so busy tonight, i mean it must be very as i live right near lpool airport and can see loads of planes coming over and sacking up,they then swoop round and head back to MAN, i looked on the website and indeed its a very busy time,there not going LPL.why they coming this far?

EZY
 

GB are in T3 and I would assume EZY will contine in T3 from March.

Therefore why do they wish to go to a Terminal they are already in or is it a case that if and when they decide expand perhaps next winter T3 is where they want to stay but there isn't the capacity to take expansion until someone moves out. No new routes then until this problem resolved which isn't likely to be soon. In fact isn't it a question that there isn't enough capacity ( gates that is) at the right time at any terminal and only T2 has some room for more PAX. MAPLC should have gone ahead with T2 expansion as they planned and announced over a year ago.

On another topic does anyone know why the C0 flights to WAW from APRIL in the morning depart one hour and five minutes before the A/C arrives from GDN.

Viscount

Viscount 702
 

Don't know the answer to your question with regards to C0, but the slot handback deadline was today so we may have answer shortly - maybe they are hpoing for a rejig of their slots, but that might annoy a few people who have already booked!!

EZY have yet to be assigned a terminal but the idea was to place them in T1 to help take some of the pressure off T3 at peak times. However EZY have requested that they want T3. The airport have not said no to this request but they are looking at ways to reduce the peak throughput in T3 before they confirm that EZY will operate from here. Eventually it is true that all LCC's will be based in T3, as generally this is where they want to be because of the close proximity to the runway. FR will be staying put in T1 for now but I believe one of the conditions of them expanding from MAN is that they move to T3 at some point. As I said in my previous post, there are huge expansion plans to be implemented over the next 5-10 years across the whole airport site. T3 will see a major overhaul in which the size of the terminal will be doubled and my reckoning being that it will just be a cheap, empty shell ideally suited to the LoCo's. This was indeed what Michael O'Leary requested in an interview with the MAG directors last year. Bmi have already shown an interest in moving back to T1 because of the improved facilities the redevelopment will offer. AA will probably follow with a bit of persuasion. Paving the way for T3 to be all Low Cost. It will happen. But not just yet...

Update - ...and if....
 

And if Flybe continue to reduce the number of aircraft to be based then there will be even more chance for the LCCs to move to T3.

I hear BE MAY be trimming back to single figures - but IF they use larger aircraft than the 145 in general the number of seats on offer could be similar.

so are you saying MAN wil see more airlines wanting to come here over the years, and huge expansions of the terminal.i dont know were else they could expand too.fingers crossed.

If BE do make further reductions, could routes be up for the axe as well as frequency reductions?

Seems FlyZB and I were at the same meeting. Exciting develop[ments indeed for the airport, including a brand new pier arrrangement for T1 and extension for T3, though not necessarily in the direction most of tou would imagine!

I got the feeling also that Air Asia didn't seem imminent at all...what did you think FlyZB?

C0
 

Scottie Dog

Why would C0 apply for slots for flights if the slots they apply for or get don't fit in with their proposed schedule.

The schedule has been published for sometime now and even they must see that the scheule won't work with the timings they have published, unless there is more to come of which we have no knowledge which I doubt. Further a Departure at 0715 maybe fine for a based or night stopping A/C but not very likely for an incoming A/C on turnround. To Depart at 0715 it would need to arrive at 0630 based on C0 45min whereas at the moment it is not due to arrive until 0820 To Depart at 0715 it would mean a very early start from GDN probably too early. Either the deparure to WAW is going to have to be put back to about 0900 which maybe difficult or the flights canacelled.

We will have to wait and see . In fact thinking back when they first came the initial schedule they published had to be changed.

Viscount

No news on Air Asia. All has gone quiet on that front. The airport management have made it pretty clear that they anticipate passenger numbers to remain flat for 2008 and any growth will come from the low cost sector. The consolidation of charter carriers won't help passenger figures this year. MAN has identified that short term growth has to come from LCC's. The future proposals highlight this and more information regarding a very exciting project for T3 will be available within the next 6-12 months. I expect long haul services to be developed but at a much slower rate than most would like and this is why the airport has identified the arrival of EZY and growth from FR as a means of improving passenger throughput. The airport is talking to certain long haul carriers regarding routes right now. I can confirm this as definate. Oasis is the current strongest candidate and I can 100% tell you from inside sources that they are seriously considering MAN as we speak.

Vuelo, sounds like you have access to the same information as me. The future proposals for the airport are extremely exciting, particularly the plans for the T1 piers, and for anyone believing that the MAG board are sitting on their a*se watching the airport rust to the ground, I can tell you that you won't get any further from the truth. Watch this space...

Did Air Asia renew their sponsorship of a certain football team ????

MM

Sad to say SQ are apparently going back down to 5 x weekly from winter schedule. This time we are losing Wednesday and Friday ex-MAN, the latter being a real PITA for yours truly as it was my main outbound, despite the remote gate hassle.

They are also bringing the departure forward in a few months to about 0920 to connect with the new early SYD flight.

Gutted about losing two weekly flights, loads have been fantastic and yields are the best they've ever been. Even the latest Tuesday and Thursday departures are up over 80% loads. I think this finally puts to bed any 10 x weekly and 77W rumours.

This bloody airport's cursed for decent long haul options...:{

What the hell are they doing??????:ugh::confused:...

Not good news about losing the daily SQ for the second time in as many years.

High fuel costs, relative lack of higher yield traffic and faltering economies worldwide do make marginal routes like MAN look rather shaky for a legacy carrier such as SQ...... still lets hope things stay stable enough for SQ to keep up with the 5x weekly from the winter :sad:

The SQ website isn't showing any reduction in frequency, as yet.

Neither does the OAG website. Still SQ/VS 772 daily.:confused:

Don't know where this SQ rumour has come from as Servisair, their HA at MAN know nothing about a winter 08/09 reduction in flights.

I got the news personally from one of the SQ regional sales managers who came to see me on Friday. Bearing in mind they had only been told by HQ that morning themselves, it's hardly surprising Servisair don't know.

We nearly lost a flight for summer as well, but seem to have got away with that...

Why would SQ increase frequency at the start of the winter timetable from 5 weekly to daily only to drop it back down to 5 weekly at the start of next winter's timetable. It does not make a lot of commercial sense if they are trying to keep on top of the MAN-"hub"-Australasia market:confused:

To be honest, from March I would rather use BMI to LHR and take the A380 all the way to SYD!:ok:

On a serious note, I agree. Why would they reduce when their load factor is exceptional on a daily basis?! Doesn't make sense, unless they are short of a/c which is the only reason I can think of.

Like most airlines I guess it would depend on the yield, high load factors don't always equate to high yields. Just a thought.

I would be very surprised if they aren't getting high yields up front in the business class cabins! The fares aren't the cheapest when compared to EK but they do offer a service way above any other airline.

Runway 05R/23L closure 05/02-01/03
 

Anybody able to give further information as to the WIP during the above period. Seems quiet a long period for routine closure.

Thanks in advance.

Scottie Dog

Runway 1
 

There'll be lots more such closures over this year at least, as far as I know. There's major lighting and surface works to do.

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There'll be lots more such closures over this year at least, as far as I know. There's major lighting and surface works to do." End Quote

Is Jet2 - you refer, I think, to Runway 1 :confused:, however I am refering to the closure of Runway 2.

Scottie Dog

Runway 2
 

Concrete bay repairs at the 23L end.

If i were an airport planner, i would completely demolish pier C, rebuild pier B but extend it so that it meets up with the south end of T2, that way you would have one long gates area and passengers would be able to transfer betwene terminals airside. You could also then have parallel taxyways going to/from T2, and have drive though gates between the 2 taxyways to enable fast turnarounds.

However i am just a lowly pilot so dont get a say in these matters....

scottie dog
 

Sincere apologies, one day I'll learn to RTFQ:\

Busz...
 

I work at MAN and was invited to a planning meeting a few weeks back. Included were details of a 10 year plan for the airport. Much of what was said is still in the planning stages and therefore I wasn't going to post anything specific until a time when more detail is available. But I can tell you that included in this 10 year develoment plan was the demolition of 'B Pier', which would be reconstructed as a double decker pier with the departures level currently at the same level as it is now and an arrivals level on top. All 'B Pier' gates will have airbridges and stand 12 will have a dedicated A380 lounge. 'C Pier' is also to be redeveloped with the construction of an upper arrivals level in order to open up the gate areas on the current departures level and remove the need to go down and back up again to reach gates 22, 24 & 26. A T1 - T2 airside link has also been proposed which will allow transfer pax to be able to connect between the terminals more easily and will also allow T1 airlines to use T2 gates during the demolition and reconstruction of the T1 piers.

Fly ZB
 

Thanks for that information. A double level pier with arrivals on the top level will make it one hell of a treck from the aircraft to baggage reclaim, but I'm sure there must be benefits in other ares. Brace yourself for many complaints in the coming years from those passengers who only think short term and cannot cope with inconvenience.

Well, on 'B Pier' it wont be so much of an issue because arriving passengers currently have to go up a level to cross the bridge over the departure lounge and Alpha Tax Free shop. So the new upper arrivals level would link directly onto that bridge and passengers would drop back down to immigration as they do now. The new airbridges on 'B Pier' would be built at a height in between the departures and arrivals levels and have sloping walkways connecting the airbridges with the 2 different levels, in a similar lay out of the gates on the piers at Malaga if anyone has even been there. I agree that on 'C Pier' it would be a bit of a trek as passengers will come off the airbridges at the current departures level, go up to the new arrivals level and then drop down again to immigration. There is no way around this though, other than demolishing 'C Pier' completely and designing a new system. As with anything, you cannot please everybody and there will be people who will disapprove of the plans. But the fact that the aiport has identified the current problems of the T1 piers and hopes to resolve these issues within the next 5 years is a positive step forward.

As I understand it, gates 16-18 and the BMI lounge will also come under T1 and a wall built after the lounge to segregate the ternibals.

Arriving passengers at these gates will then be bussed to immigration or domectic arrivals at T1 (carousel 7).

So, are we looking at an expansion of T2 to accomodate more aircraft whilst the T1 piers are being redeveloped?

Once again it seems the airport is going to get a bolt on compromise fix, when what is really needed is a bulldozer and a fresh start.

I have family who come over from Canada, they love Manchester Airport because they think its "Real quaint" (said in broad canadian) "we love the village atmosphere" (read "old shabby chaos")

Dont often criticise my workplace, but having recently visited some great terminals recently, (Madrid and T5 LHR) I am really becoming ashamed of the place.

Man runway closure
 

Hi

Can anyone tell me which of the runways is closed for repairs

Ta

05R/23L (i.e. "Runway 2") is closed until 1st March due WIP.

Couldn't have picked a better time, with half-term next week.