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just why would dogs only come out for Israeli flights? |
Not meant to be racist, just a fact that the dog vans, plus other armed police are always outside the terminal when the TLV flights are in.:hmm:
I was more questioning this news article and whether it was factual! |
Wizzair Ukraine Incident at Luton
I don't know much about it, but might be able to add some details. According to my sources on that day the flight to Kiev was delayed over three hours. Passengers were already aboard the plane when the Captain has announced the cancellation of their flight. Thereafter the Ukrainian passengers refused to leave the aircraft, the police forces were used (with dogs and teargas?). Worst of all, later the same plane left with other passengers towards Poznan. What? Ukrainian passengers are worse than Polish? That kind of things.
Worth mentioning, this Ukrtatnafta fuelling company belongs in part to Mr. Ihor Kolomoyski's financial group, the same group recently took a majority in the Ukrainian airline Aeroswit. Anyway, this is considered now as an international incident with the Ukrainian diplomacy involved. |
Thanks EU01 for your input.
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eu01
I think someone is pulling your chain, l have no idea where you live, but the police in the UK would never be able to do what you mentioned. Tear gas on a passenger plane just to get the pax off, they would only be able to use it if life was in danger. |
l have no idea where you live You must have noticed my disbelief concerning the methods of removing pax from the plane. That is, however, the official stand of Ukrainian authorities, that we can now read in English too. Aviation bosses to settle Wizz Air incident KYIV, December 24 /UKRINFORM/. Ukraine's First Deputy Transport and Communications Minister Vasyl Shevchenko has ordered State Aviation Administration Head Oleksandr Davydov to look into the situation with the delay of the London-Kyiv flight by Wizz Air Hungary, the transport ministry reported. The order followed numerous publications on the air company's disregard for the Ukrainian citizens who took that flight. The passengers, to whom the company denied flight, hotel and even catering, said they were "turned out from the plane with the help of police, dogs and special gas agents" at the London Luton Airport on December 18. |
Just to make a few points clear here. I've got no interest in defending Wizzair as they are far from perfect and in the same league as Ryanair, but in this incident they where NOT at fault.
The Ukrainian CAA is a bunch of muppets I am afraid. There where only 2 Ukrainian PAX that refused to leave the aircaft, drunk as one would expect. They where removed and have made a nice fairy tale with blantant lies. However this sinks in well in Ukraine as one could expect police and SBU (Ex KGB) to behave in such a manner. To make things more interesting. The owner of Ukrtatnafta is also a significant owner of Aeroshait and Dniproavia, competitors of Wizz. Bribary, threats and other issues to hinder the Wizzair operation failing, this seems to be just another excuse and act in the game to force Wizzair out of the Ukrainian market that needs more competition and not the soviet style charade of a market economy. Not surprising knowing how things are run in Ukraine, this is probably the beginning of great scam to deprive the PAX out of KBP with a economical alternative to the overpriced, grabage service providing Aeroshait, MAU and other 3rd world level operators that hail from this country. |
Wizzkid - nice word "muppet" isn't it? ;-)
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Wizzair Ukraine Incident at Luton
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New route: Warsaw - Turku.
pee will be happy :ok: |
and Ukraine talked about joining EU ?
Elements within it just want it to be a KGB run clone. |
Warsaw - Turku. pee will be happy The same way as FR might be astonished how well are selling their pretty expensive flights from Tampere to Spain (to my knowledge extremely well indeed), Wizz could be pleasantly surprised with the popularity of its TKU-BUD route. Even more surprised they were if ever decided to link any Finnish town with anything along the e.g. Black Sea or Adriatic coast. Worth considering perhaps. |
In a matter of only two weeks, Belgrade (capital of Serbia) could be part of Wizzair's network.
They have confirmed that Belgrade will be linked initially with two destinations : Luton and Dortmund, from the beginning of the summer season. |
Aircraft #28 (HA-LPZ) delivered today from TLS. The fleet will consist 35 A320s by the summer. The next batch of registrations will start with HA-LWA.
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Very good to hear about BEG ! A big hurdle has been removed with the visa freedom for Serbian, Montenegrian and Macedonian citizens for Schengen, so DTM should do well. LTN of course is not in Schengen, I wonder when UK will align their immigration policies though. Checking for BEG details (not bookable yet), I spotted they do LTN-RIX 30Mar-17Jun10. Oddly short period though. Was not aware the velvet jets are back in the Baltics, esp in direct competition with FR (who've done STN-RIX for a long long time already). The fares they currently offer for this are rock bottom, FR can't be too happy.
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Schengen No Way
Cannot see any British government agreeing to Shengen - cannot have these ´foreign Johnnies´ strolling across the Channel without any checks - heaven forbid. It is a shame though because travelling across most of mainland Europe is so much easier and a lot less hassle.
Nice to see Belgrade on the Wizzair map though - hopefully should do well. |
The Hungarian government has reached an agreement with the international shareholders about a bailout for badly indebted Malev. Not surprisingly Wizz Air didn't show any enthusiasm for this kind of protectionism.
2/03/2010 Wizz Air is outraged at the re-nationalization of Malév Wizz Air, the largest low fare – low cost airline in Central and Eastern Europe said it would immediately call on the European Commission to investigate the Hungarian government’s decision to yet again waste significant financial resources into Malév, the struggling and massively loss making national airline. 1) Wizz Air will challenge the legal basis of Malév’s re-nationalization The re-nationalization of Malév raises serious questions over the legality of the transaction. The decision is clearly another case of illegal state aid, this time EUR 90 million worth of additional capital. There has been no decision from the European Commission approving this transaction therefore if the Hungarian government implements the recently announced recapitalization of Malév, it would likely be an unlawful state aid as it clearly violates the state aid rules, it is discriminatory, distorts competition and provides no benefit to the consumer. 2) The Hungarian government is wasting further tax payers’ money on Malév It is deeply concerning that the Hungarian state is wasting further tax payers’ money in these difficult economic times on an "investment" that makes no economic sense as clearly no private investor was prepared to make it. The same money could have been used on measures to alleviate the negative consequences of Malév's bankruptcy instead of pouring the money into prolonging the existence of the problem. 3) Malév’s re-nationalization undermines the basic principles of competition law of the European Union Civil aviation is a sector where market liberalization has resulted in intense competition, to the benefit of consumers. Competition law (including state aid law) is there to protect such competition and the Hungarian government should respect the rules and guard - if not promote - competition instead of distorting it. The Hungarian government should let the market players that are able to operate efficiently to fill the gap that Malév’s disappearance would temporarily cause. 4) Malév is a non-viable business and will remain financially non-viable in the future Malév is a non-viable business that has been managed in a financially irresponsible way resulting in record high operating losses in recent years. It is apparent that the customers’ need for the Malév product is marginal as less than 5% of the Hungarian population uses the services of the airline. The Hungarian government should learn from the examples of a number of European countries - such as Switzerland and Belgium – that have succeeded in efficiently managing national airline bankruptcies by fully respecting the EU competition law and rebuilding passenger traffic of the impacted airports (Brussels, Zurich and Milan Malpensa among others). The Malév re-nationalization plan does not solve the issue as the airline will require continuous illegal financial aid from tax payers’ money going forward. |
Where could be the next destination wizz go to in eastern europe as they are running out of places? Maybe more expansion from lodz or totally new destinations? Perhaps moldova or belarus or our they a no go?
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There are still plenty of possibilities
The Ukraine is a big country and the eastern part around Donetsk offers potential as does expanding the range of destinations served from Lviv. In Slovenia, Ljubljana has no based LCC. In Macedonia, Skopje has very limited services of any kind. Or maybe we could see them look at their first Western European base. |
Wizz Air is outraged at the re-nationalization of Malév But sure, Malev's renationalisation is a definite kick in the teeth for Wizz and I hope it will be deemed illegal. That said, I expect Malev to continue existing in one form or another for the foreseeable future. |
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