More resignations at easyJet...
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Perhaps you are right Flap 5.
I just find tht 99% of the stuff that is posted here is crap. I'd llike to know what is going on and make my own assesment of the gravity of the situation.
So if MK has lost his medical....so what? If FB has gone who is surprised? Do either if these things represent a major problem for a large airline?
I think not. these problems are in fact easily surmountable.
Other problems such as a shortage of CC are more difficult to deal with but I am confident that there are moves to deal with this also.
easy is having to grow up very quickly at the moment. Its time we support the efforts that are being made in order for it to work and us to have what may be the best job around in a few years time.
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I just find tht 99% of the stuff that is posted here is crap. I'd llike to know what is going on and make my own assesment of the gravity of the situation.
So if MK has lost his medical....so what? If FB has gone who is surprised? Do either if these things represent a major problem for a large airline?
I think not. these problems are in fact easily surmountable.
Other problems such as a shortage of CC are more difficult to deal with but I am confident that there are moves to deal with this also.
easy is having to grow up very quickly at the moment. Its time we support the efforts that are being made in order for it to work and us to have what may be the best job around in a few years time.
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Not so easy ??
To run a airline is not that easy. Keep the people happy and run
the show needs more then a fancy colour and a fancy land
somewhere on the globe. That the industrie is facing difficult
times is obious. Some smell the fire before it even burns and leave
the stage before they burn theire fingers. Others try to stay cool
and get burned at the end. Be carefull Girls and Boys ! I hope
the blackmailing is wrong but it is easy to let the ship sink by
pulling the plug before the rescue work is done. The market is
dense for the traveler who just like it easy with booking and the
fares as well. So who survives in that battle ? Not easy to answer
but easy to figure out after a while......
the show needs more then a fancy colour and a fancy land
somewhere on the globe. That the industrie is facing difficult
times is obious. Some smell the fire before it even burns and leave
the stage before they burn theire fingers. Others try to stay cool
and get burned at the end. Be carefull Girls and Boys ! I hope
the blackmailing is wrong but it is easy to let the ship sink by
pulling the plug before the rescue work is done. The market is
dense for the traveler who just like it easy with booking and the
fares as well. So who survives in that battle ? Not easy to answer
but easy to figure out after a while......
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There seems to be a lot of bile and vitriol flying around here. If there is any substance to these rumours, no smoke without fire and all that, then is it just co-incidence that BMI/Baby are also considering reducing their workforce by 33% TO STAY ALIVE.
Could this be the end of low cost operators?? Lets hope not, they have, after all, been of great benefit to the consumer.
A reasoned response to this post would be appreciated.
Could this be the end of low cost operators?? Lets hope not, they have, after all, been of great benefit to the consumer.
A reasoned response to this post would be appreciated.
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Baby are not losing ANY staff at all in fact are recruiting.
BMI are are losing staff at LHR, over the medium term. Ryanair have made large profits. So how can anyone say this is the end of Lo cost airlines? It's a combination of market saturation, difficult trading positions and Easyjet' loss of a figurehead. The bean counters will slowly turn a success into another airline.
BMI are are losing staff at LHR, over the medium term. Ryanair have made large profits. So how can anyone say this is the end of Lo cost airlines? It's a combination of market saturation, difficult trading positions and Easyjet' loss of a figurehead. The bean counters will slowly turn a success into another airline.
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Ummm. Not sure about your last Alterego as it would seem to contradict normally reliable sources of news.
BMI Job Cuts
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The Cabin crew are deserting the airline faster than they can be recruited- it's hardly surprising, they are virtually slaves with little or no perks. Staff travel except on easyJet doesn’t exist. What major airline doesn't offer that to its staff? RW said if you want staff travel- then leave. So they did- what happened? Last weekend that cost the company £300,000 with a/c parked up with no crews.
Some people still manage to push the easyJet BS talk- new uniforms- leather flying jackets! For Christ sake leave the old one alone! Stop the crap and sort our lives out.
I don’t blame AL and FB for leaving- I’m sure they would have more fun banging their heads on brick walls than bringing change at EJ.
Lets hope RW and MK take a one way trip back home, soon.
Some people still manage to push the easyJet BS talk- new uniforms- leather flying jackets! For Christ sake leave the old one alone! Stop the crap and sort our lives out.
I don’t blame AL and FB for leaving- I’m sure they would have more fun banging their heads on brick walls than bringing change at EJ.
Lets hope RW and MK take a one way trip back home, soon.
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Never should have bought Go, well not for £375 million anyway.
That extra debt must be serviced.
Buzz, a bargain at around £3 million cash.
How much is it going to cost to convert a freight shed into the new easy H.Q? Hope they have a subsidy, which I am sure they do.
My contacts within easyLand are not happy folk. Much has changed, and not for the better since Stelios left they say!
That extra debt must be serviced.
Buzz, a bargain at around £3 million cash.
How much is it going to cost to convert a freight shed into the new easy H.Q? Hope they have a subsidy, which I am sure they do.
My contacts within easyLand are not happy folk. Much has changed, and not for the better since Stelios left they say!
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Hey guys. As a non pilot and not subject to the same stresses etc. that some of you are at EasyJet, can I just say with all the creepy journo's (one of which I am not), crawling around the board, it may be not be a good idea to be quite so vitriolic.
OK, I'll now shut up
OK, I'll now shut up
Well said Southern!
And I find the 300k figure a bit on the high side, I'd be surprised its that much!
And Albert if MK has lost his class 1, its no business of yours or mine as to what the issue was, perhaps you'd like to post your next medical if you fail, for us all to discuss. Oh and your name as well so we all know who we're talking about.
And I find the 300k figure a bit on the high side, I'd be surprised its that much!And Albert if MK has lost his class 1, its no business of yours or mine as to what the issue was, perhaps you'd like to post your next medical if you fail, for us all to discuss. Oh and your name as well so we all know who we're talking about.
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southern softy : this is the worst thread i have read on Pprune. what a load of w@nkers some of you lot are.
Yep everything is orange, keep sticking your head in the sand....
This place is going down the tubes faster than an eel down the Niagara Falls.
Was at the shed today and they fired all the airport managers to be replaced by regional managers. Some of these guys and galls have worked their bits off to make things work at outstations and this is their thanks?
Had lunch with some of the people taken redundancy and morale has never been lower in the years I have been here.
Some of the old guys have taken redundancy because they cannot wait to get our of here (BB is a good example)
As to CC they are hiring hundreds of agency staff with no experience trying to fill the gap.
Share price dropped again, apparently there is a memo floating around the City with a guide price of 1.40, don't take my word for it (again) time will tell or else make some calls, I did.
What a cr@p week this has been, what did we expect after Stelios bailed out....
southern softy : this is the worst thread i have read on Pprune. what a load of w@nkers some of you lot are.
Yep everything is orange, keep sticking your head in the sand....
This place is going down the tubes faster than an eel down the Niagara Falls.
Was at the shed today and they fired all the airport managers to be replaced by regional managers. Some of these guys and galls have worked their bits off to make things work at outstations and this is their thanks?
Had lunch with some of the people taken redundancy and morale has never been lower in the years I have been here.
Some of the old guys have taken redundancy because they cannot wait to get our of here (BB is a good example)
As to CC they are hiring hundreds of agency staff with no experience trying to fill the gap.
Share price dropped again, apparently there is a memo floating around the City with a guide price of 1.40, don't take my word for it (again) time will tell or else make some calls, I did.
What a cr@p week this has been, what did we expect after Stelios bailed out....
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Reading this thread I really wonder what people have in their mind!!!
It looks like some of the most violent comments, come from people working for EZ. What do they think they are achieving by writing so much things about their own company???
Let's imagine that EZ is really in trouble... Then talking about that on a public forum is not going to make thing better, is it? If anything, it can make things worth so what is the point?
I joined EZ a few months ago and I am quiet happy. Of course it is not perfect, but with the current state of the airline industry it is not that bad!!!
The salaries for FD are good, and I have no shame to say so. Is it the so called disruptions that are we talking about? Being called of a STBY, or getting a roster change? If you don't like it, I think the airline insustry is not for you. Get a 9 to 5 job then...
Cabin crew badly paid? I saw the payslip of a new CA, it was the same take home I was getting as an FO with one of the british regional operator. One purser told me that having worked for Air2000 and Airtours, she loved easyJet because of the reduced service on board which was a lot easier than handing out 220 meals and drink every flight. And the money, she said was good.
About the shortage of cabin crew EZ is far from being the only company concerned. As everybody knows, the DoT has issued new regulations making the issuing of RZ pass a lot more difficult (5 years reference required). It is a major problem for every airline. I know that 50 new CA in LGW were waiting for a pass for weeks not so long ago. Today, I flew with a CA which was ready for Line training in march and started flying last week on a provisional pass. I heard that Excel had the same problems... So before people talk about, EZ being so bad and so on, maybe a more accurate overview would be usefull.
Not everybody is unhappy in EZ. I agree that the company is going through a bad patch, with a lot to take in in a short time : merger, new aircraft arriving, DoT new regulation, ageing fleet (737-300) going tech, strikes in France...etc
With the way the network of EZ is setup, it was heavily affected by strikes in France with heavy delays. The fuel strike in BCN and MAD didn't help. As EZ network is very strong towards Spain, and overflying France, then bad delays occured in the last few weeks, WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AIRLINE.
And of course when there is delay, there is disruption for crews because people go out of hours and so on... So please, stop a bit the unconstructive slag off.
I am happy with EZ, I am concerned about the future, but I think it is better for people to be focused and instead of constant whinge, get on with it!!!!!!!!
It looks like some of the most violent comments, come from people working for EZ. What do they think they are achieving by writing so much things about their own company???
Let's imagine that EZ is really in trouble... Then talking about that on a public forum is not going to make thing better, is it? If anything, it can make things worth so what is the point?
I joined EZ a few months ago and I am quiet happy. Of course it is not perfect, but with the current state of the airline industry it is not that bad!!!
The salaries for FD are good, and I have no shame to say so. Is it the so called disruptions that are we talking about? Being called of a STBY, or getting a roster change? If you don't like it, I think the airline insustry is not for you. Get a 9 to 5 job then...
Cabin crew badly paid? I saw the payslip of a new CA, it was the same take home I was getting as an FO with one of the british regional operator. One purser told me that having worked for Air2000 and Airtours, she loved easyJet because of the reduced service on board which was a lot easier than handing out 220 meals and drink every flight. And the money, she said was good.
About the shortage of cabin crew EZ is far from being the only company concerned. As everybody knows, the DoT has issued new regulations making the issuing of RZ pass a lot more difficult (5 years reference required). It is a major problem for every airline. I know that 50 new CA in LGW were waiting for a pass for weeks not so long ago. Today, I flew with a CA which was ready for Line training in march and started flying last week on a provisional pass. I heard that Excel had the same problems... So before people talk about, EZ being so bad and so on, maybe a more accurate overview would be usefull.
Not everybody is unhappy in EZ. I agree that the company is going through a bad patch, with a lot to take in in a short time : merger, new aircraft arriving, DoT new regulation, ageing fleet (737-300) going tech, strikes in France...etc
With the way the network of EZ is setup, it was heavily affected by strikes in France with heavy delays. The fuel strike in BCN and MAD didn't help. As EZ network is very strong towards Spain, and overflying France, then bad delays occured in the last few weeks, WHICH HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AIRLINE.
And of course when there is delay, there is disruption for crews because people go out of hours and so on... So please, stop a bit the unconstructive slag off.
I am happy with EZ, I am concerned about the future, but I think it is better for people to be focused and instead of constant whinge, get on with it!!!!!!!!
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Take no notice of Southern Softie. He's in the business of winding up contributors to threads like this one. He's a professional tw@t last time I came across him was on planet rugby.
Proof of the pudding will be the way in which he responds to this post.
Stick to the jist but be careful of what you post. Your futures may already be at stake
Take no notice of Southern Softie. He's in the business of winding up contributors to threads like this one. He's a professional tw@t last time I came across him was on planet rugby.
Proof of the pudding will be the way in which he responds to this post.
Stick to the jist but be careful of what you post. Your futures may already be at stake
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Flystar, get a grip girl. The issues here are serious ones, debated by flight deck. You have a right to post about the cabin crew if you wish, but get your facts right first.
The real issue is that Ej cannot recruit enogh cabin crew on their terms and conditions, not that they cannot get airside access!
Come on darling
Flystar may post where and what she wishes..moderators' determine relevance, not you.
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The real issue is that Ej cannot recruit enogh cabin crew on their terms and conditions, not that they cannot get airside access!
Come on darling
Flystar may post where and what she wishes..moderators' determine relevance, not you.
Hawk
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It seems that to succeed with a ground-breaking airline, you need a high-profile leader. Which is why Virgin, EasyJet and RyanAir are so well-known and popular. Or rather were, until Stelios left....
Whereas Go and buzz quietly got on with things and were popular with their loyal passengers, they didn't quite have the high profile of airlines run by Stelios or Mo'L. So they no longer exist (unfortunately), whereas the others do.
Leadership. Need one say more?
Whereas Go and buzz quietly got on with things and were popular with their loyal passengers, they didn't quite have the high profile of airlines run by Stelios or Mo'L. So they no longer exist (unfortunately), whereas the others do.
Leadership. Need one say more?
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So much of the comments on this thread could easily read as comments about any other UK operator. Much of the same has been said about BACX. The aviation game will always be beset by problems and continual pressures. I do not think that negative comments effect the outfit as I would hope the city would be able to make its own judgements based on the general levels of the industry.
Looking in from outside things clearly will get more pressurised for the LC companies as there seems to be to many airlines chasing a finite market. Arriving at CBK there was an EZY CC and they all appeared cheerful enough and I have always found them the same.
Looking in from outside things clearly will get more pressurised for the LC companies as there seems to be to many airlines chasing a finite market. Arriving at CBK there was an EZY CC and they all appeared cheerful enough and I have always found them the same.
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Quite a range of opinions on offer here.
I must say that I am a little confused about easyJet's mission at the moment.
Are they low cost or not?
Recent experience is that prices are in line with the majors or slightly above.
And no, I'm not anti easy - it's just unless several coincidences have happened, Ryanair have been genuinely low cost on my recent flts and easy have not.
You could argue that FR fly to the middle of fields and easy donot, but isnt that part of the low costs deal?
I must say that I am a little confused about easyJet's mission at the moment.
Are they low cost or not?
Recent experience is that prices are in line with the majors or slightly above.
And no, I'm not anti easy - it's just unless several coincidences have happened, Ryanair have been genuinely low cost on my recent flts and easy have not.
You could argue that FR fly to the middle of fields and easy donot, but isnt that part of the low costs deal?