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From a little source at NCL... Ryanair are planning to offer European flights from Newcastle, beginning from the Winter timetable. The likely destinations would be: Dublin x4; Stockholm Skavsta x1; Frankfurt Hahn x2; Milan Bergamo x1. Not a base in itself, as it is just joining the dots of FR's other bases.
Likely new easyJet routes to AGP, PMI and NCE, according to my source. NCL-CDG route to fly to ORY.
LH looking to increase NCL-DUS flight to twice daily, and Star Alliance partner Scandinavian keen to restart a CPH service... What about the OSL route?
Who are the Summer 2003 charter carriers from NCL anyway? I know MYT A320/A321; BY B757/B763; SCY B757; TCX B757 are certs, but who is the other one? Hola or MD Airlines, and who will they be flying for? NCL needs AMM back at the airport, to stop sub-standard carriers like these taking up slots.
Possibly, BA have considered dropping ALL routes from NCL. Well, that's only BRS, LGW and LHR?
Is there any foundation to any of this? I think the airport would suffer from real over-capacity if all of this happened?
Likely new easyJet routes to AGP, PMI and NCE, according to my source. NCL-CDG route to fly to ORY.
LH looking to increase NCL-DUS flight to twice daily, and Star Alliance partner Scandinavian keen to restart a CPH service... What about the OSL route?
Who are the Summer 2003 charter carriers from NCL anyway? I know MYT A320/A321; BY B757/B763; SCY B757; TCX B757 are certs, but who is the other one? Hola or MD Airlines, and who will they be flying for? NCL needs AMM back at the airport, to stop sub-standard carriers like these taking up slots.
Possibly, BA have considered dropping ALL routes from NCL. Well, that's only BRS, LGW and LHR?
Is there any foundation to any of this? I think the airport would suffer from real over-capacity if all of this happened?
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In my experience, NCL-LHR has always been +75% full, apart from the last flight on a Saturday evening.
BA would have to be doing uncharacteristically badly yield-wise on this route to drop it, IMHO.
BA would have to be doing uncharacteristically badly yield-wise on this route to drop it, IMHO.
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Well Im sure that if Ba did drop London Heathrow that BMI would step and save the day. The reason that they have stayed away from Newcastle is because Newcastle used to be a British Airways regional hub, of course it isnt now. With more Star Alliance members using Newcastle Im sure that this would only encourage BMI to come here.
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Well Ryanair have publicly declared there intention to join some dots with Newcastle which can only be good for Newcastle and the Northeast. As for over capacity, I don’t think so, the area has cried out for some of these routes for years.
I have just been NCL- BCN with Easy and was impressed with the number of Spanish on the flights! Its right what people say low cost creates a market of people who otherwise wouldn’t have travelled! Newcastle is growing in the city break market, just look at the number of french on the last CDG each friday! Again great for the city of culture bid.
As for BA, I think LGW & LHR are safe for the moment, but who knows after some of BA’s recent decisions! As for the BRS who knows what BACX has in store for the DH8 fleet or the E145’s sitting doing nothing at BRS (press release in Dec02 had the NCL-BRS as an E145 from end March03!). Even with Easy starting BRS in August it is a route which still needs a business service through out the day.
Summer is looking good, the seventh based IT was Hola with a B733 last I heard, but that was over a week ago, any thing could have happened!
I have just been NCL- BCN with Easy and was impressed with the number of Spanish on the flights! Its right what people say low cost creates a market of people who otherwise wouldn’t have travelled! Newcastle is growing in the city break market, just look at the number of french on the last CDG each friday! Again great for the city of culture bid.
As for BA, I think LGW & LHR are safe for the moment, but who knows after some of BA’s recent decisions! As for the BRS who knows what BACX has in store for the DH8 fleet or the E145’s sitting doing nothing at BRS (press release in Dec02 had the NCL-BRS as an E145 from end March03!). Even with Easy starting BRS in August it is a route which still needs a business service through out the day.
Summer is looking good, the seventh based IT was Hola with a B733 last I heard, but that was over a week ago, any thing could have happened!
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NCL always had plenty of need for these flights. very big N.Irish community, quite sizeable community from the republic, although spread out over the region. 3 universities, 2 of which particularly attract overseas students, lots of employees on the rigs, increased business and if you go abroad, all you hear is that NCL is the new Dublin/barcelona/amsterdam/prague. Particularly peeved in DUB, since that place is sooooo expensive. I've twice in the past year seen travel articles relating to city breaks in NCl, one french the other spanish. I'm not surprised it's taken off, add to the that the aforementioned lcc 'creating' need, you've got a very full airport.
An example is the fr offer of '1,000,000 free seats' at the mo. I went on the website and decided that with my 2 days off in early june, i'm off to ancona..never ever wanted to go there, but it's 20 quid and a quick trip to the appeninos never hurt anybody.
An example is the fr offer of '1,000,000 free seats' at the mo. I went on the website and decided that with my 2 days off in early june, i'm off to ancona..never ever wanted to go there, but it's 20 quid and a quick trip to the appeninos never hurt anybody.
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Good news for the airport if FR come up with the goods. Milan, Frankfurt and Stockholm would be great for the region. I've always thought Newcastle was under served. As for easyJet PMI, AGP and NCE will be a money-spinner for them. Maybe easy could throw an ATH service in, as theres a large greek community and Axon Airlines once looked into it.
I also heard LH were going twice daily, shame they couldn't get twice daily slots into FRA. Nice to see 'big' airlines like SK showing an interest in NCL, atlast.
Go-arounder I don't think we'll have to wait too long for the BA BRS-NCL route to get chopped. Rumour has it that BACX FSAS Part III is on its way and BRS base is for the chop. As for the LHR/LGW they're here to stay....hopefully.
Finally on the charter side this summer there is the usual mix, with the addition of Hola Airlines 737-300, working on behalf of Excel Airways. JKP505 the only reason that airlines such as Hola come into NCL is that Excel do not have enough aircraft to base one of their own, so better that than nothing at all.
Usual foreign carriers serving NCL, with new Turkish carrier Inter Airlines debuting on fridays and Malmo Aviation doing the VCE charter. Having said this, thats all past info as the airport have not yet produced a Charter Programme for Summer 2003 or if they have I don't know where i can see a copy!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone got any ideas????
I also heard LH were going twice daily, shame they couldn't get twice daily slots into FRA. Nice to see 'big' airlines like SK showing an interest in NCL, atlast.
Go-arounder I don't think we'll have to wait too long for the BA BRS-NCL route to get chopped. Rumour has it that BACX FSAS Part III is on its way and BRS base is for the chop. As for the LHR/LGW they're here to stay....hopefully.
Finally on the charter side this summer there is the usual mix, with the addition of Hola Airlines 737-300, working on behalf of Excel Airways. JKP505 the only reason that airlines such as Hola come into NCL is that Excel do not have enough aircraft to base one of their own, so better that than nothing at all.
Usual foreign carriers serving NCL, with new Turkish carrier Inter Airlines debuting on fridays and Malmo Aviation doing the VCE charter. Having said this, thats all past info as the airport have not yet produced a Charter Programme for Summer 2003 or if they have I don't know where i can see a copy!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone got any ideas????
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Go-arounder,
The BA Citiexpress BRS-NCL is operated by a DH-8 as you say.It seems to start and finish the day at Plymouth and, according to the timetable, provides a revenue earning PLH-BRS in the early morning and a return in the late evening. Not sure whether this is the reason why the DH 8 is retained on the BRS-NCL route, given that the ERJ 145 is too 'big' for PLH. I would not have thought so because I can't think the BRS-PLH route is very profitable (the rail and road connections are too good).
I believe that BRS has six ERJ 145s based there now CWL has closed its base, but probably only five are needed to service the current routes structure. This does pose the question as to what is going to happen at BRS with BA. More routes or a prelude to closure of the base?
transwede,
How strong are the BRS BA closure rumours? Any time scale? I haven’t heard any definite rumours, except that one always wonders who will be next, following BA’s recent track record.
At present there are 22 BA rotations from BRS each weekday with a slightly lower number at weekends. These rumours could be self-fulfilling because they might make people like me reluctant to book BA flights from BRS for dates later in the year.
What I will say is that twelve of the rotations compete head to head with easyJet and Ryanair. One wonders how at BA's prices they can go on, although people do seem prepared to pay over the odds to fly to such places as EDI and GLA (five daily BA rotations to each of these Scottish airports - easyJet has three to each).
My son did the BRS-NCL-BRS route a few weeks ago (teatime flight to NCL on a Monday and early evening return two days later) and reported a virtually full aircraft in both directions. And the flights weren't cheap - he took eight of his staff with him on a business trip at fares I would not have paid for leisure purposes.
He works for a major international company that so far does not seem to have pulled in its travel costs too much.
The BA Citiexpress BRS-NCL is operated by a DH-8 as you say.It seems to start and finish the day at Plymouth and, according to the timetable, provides a revenue earning PLH-BRS in the early morning and a return in the late evening. Not sure whether this is the reason why the DH 8 is retained on the BRS-NCL route, given that the ERJ 145 is too 'big' for PLH. I would not have thought so because I can't think the BRS-PLH route is very profitable (the rail and road connections are too good).
I believe that BRS has six ERJ 145s based there now CWL has closed its base, but probably only five are needed to service the current routes structure. This does pose the question as to what is going to happen at BRS with BA. More routes or a prelude to closure of the base?
transwede,
How strong are the BRS BA closure rumours? Any time scale? I haven’t heard any definite rumours, except that one always wonders who will be next, following BA’s recent track record.
At present there are 22 BA rotations from BRS each weekday with a slightly lower number at weekends. These rumours could be self-fulfilling because they might make people like me reluctant to book BA flights from BRS for dates later in the year.
What I will say is that twelve of the rotations compete head to head with easyJet and Ryanair. One wonders how at BA's prices they can go on, although people do seem prepared to pay over the odds to fly to such places as EDI and GLA (five daily BA rotations to each of these Scottish airports - easyJet has three to each).
My son did the BRS-NCL-BRS route a few weeks ago (teatime flight to NCL on a Monday and early evening return two days later) and reported a virtually full aircraft in both directions. And the flights weren't cheap - he took eight of his staff with him on a business trip at fares I would not have paid for leisure purposes.
He works for a major international company that so far does not seem to have pulled in its travel costs too much.
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MAN_Despatcher: Easyjet and Ryanair both handled by Servisair at NCL. Servisair also have FlyBE, MyTravel, Lufthansa, Air France (op by FlyBE), Wideroe, Norwegian, all the mail flights and most of the cargo flights, and in the summer Spanair, Pegasus, Hola, Aegean, Hemus...there might be others. Groundstar handle all the BA flights, Eastern Airways (£17 per turn-round I hear, how can Groundstar make money on that deal?), Air 2000 when they're in, JMC, Britannia, Monarch, Air Europa, Eurocypria and a few other charters in the summer. I might have missed a few, I haven't worked there for a while. Any RAF flights are handled by Samson aviation on the far side of the airfield.
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NCL Airlines & Agents
MAN Dispatcher here is a full list of airlines and their agents at NCL, hope its of some use and bear in mind airlines do visit on an adhoc basis alot at NCL.
Servisair
MYT/Spanair/Air Luxor/Aero LLoyd/Ryanair/EAC/Easy/Air Malta/EuroAtlantic/Islandflug/Hola Airlines/Titan/Futura/Aegean/Pegasus/Excel/Helios/Fly Be/Air France/Wideroe/Tyrolean/Onur Air/Flightline/Inter Airlines/Malmo Aviation/Norweigan
Groundstar
BA/AMM/TCX/BY/Scandic/Monarch/Iberworld/Air Transat/Sunexpress/Eastern/SN Brussels/KLM uk/MD Airlines/BH air/Hemus/Eurocypria/Air Europa/bmi
Servisair
MYT/Spanair/Air Luxor/Aero LLoyd/Ryanair/EAC/Easy/Air Malta/EuroAtlantic/Islandflug/Hola Airlines/Titan/Futura/Aegean/Pegasus/Excel/Helios/Fly Be/Air France/Wideroe/Tyrolean/Onur Air/Flightline/Inter Airlines/Malmo Aviation/Norweigan
Groundstar
BA/AMM/TCX/BY/Scandic/Monarch/Iberworld/Air Transat/Sunexpress/Eastern/SN Brussels/KLM uk/MD Airlines/BH air/Hemus/Eurocypria/Air Europa/bmi
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I know Newcastle - Cork has been tried a few times in the past and has done poorly. Those flights were nearly on a daily basis. What about just three or four times weekly - would it work?
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posted by transwede:
".....................I don't think we'll have to wait too long for the BA BRS-NCL route to get chopped. Rumour has it that BACX FSAS Part III is on its way and BRS base is for the chop.
posted by MerchantVenturer:
"How strong are the BRS BA closure rumours? Any time scale? I haven’t heard any definite rumours, except that one always wonders who will be next, following BA’s recent track record.
At present there are 22 BA rotations from BRS each weekday with a slightly lower number at weekends. These rumours could be self-fulfilling because they might make people like me reluctant to book BA flights from BRS for dates later in the year."
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transwede,
I don't know whether you saw my question (above) re your earlier comments about BRS BA base closure rumours. If you did I take it there is nothing further you can add at this time.
".....................I don't think we'll have to wait too long for the BA BRS-NCL route to get chopped. Rumour has it that BACX FSAS Part III is on its way and BRS base is for the chop.
posted by MerchantVenturer:
"How strong are the BRS BA closure rumours? Any time scale? I haven’t heard any definite rumours, except that one always wonders who will be next, following BA’s recent track record.
At present there are 22 BA rotations from BRS each weekday with a slightly lower number at weekends. These rumours could be self-fulfilling because they might make people like me reluctant to book BA flights from BRS for dates later in the year."
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transwede,
I don't know whether you saw my question (above) re your earlier comments about BRS BA base closure rumours. If you did I take it there is nothing further you can add at this time.
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One problem with Bristol that it is very close to London so therefore it doesnt link to any of the British Airways hubs. There are no big jets to speak of that are operated by the airline and the fact that Bristol and Cardiff are home to two major low cost airlines makes it very difficult for BA to compete.
FLYbe to increase capacity on the NCL-BHD route by a third with bigger aircraft.
FLYbe to increase capacity on the NCL-BHD route by a third with bigger aircraft.
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richard,
Yes, I accept what you say is true but it does seem strange that Brymon (now BACX) built up the routes,and BA did not close the BRS base when they closed all routes from CWL and LBA last year, yet now there are rumours (or a rumour) it is to close.
I'm going off topic. Maybe I will start a thread about this, although I do not like doing so based on a rumour, that is why I hoped transwede (who mentioned the rumour in the first place) might be able to amplify. I'll wait another day or so to see if he has any further information.
Incidentally, I note you come from the land of Shearer and I wonder how sales for the easyJet NCL-BRS route are shaping up. It doesn't start until August and there were some tasty introductory fares. I managed to get a BRS-NCL-BRS fare for £15 all-in (bought at the time EZY were paying the UK tax).
Yes, I accept what you say is true but it does seem strange that Brymon (now BACX) built up the routes,and BA did not close the BRS base when they closed all routes from CWL and LBA last year, yet now there are rumours (or a rumour) it is to close.
I'm going off topic. Maybe I will start a thread about this, although I do not like doing so based on a rumour, that is why I hoped transwede (who mentioned the rumour in the first place) might be able to amplify. I'll wait another day or so to see if he has any further information.
Incidentally, I note you come from the land of Shearer and I wonder how sales for the easyJet NCL-BRS route are shaping up. It doesn't start until August and there were some tasty introductory fares. I managed to get a BRS-NCL-BRS fare for £15 all-in (bought at the time EZY were paying the UK tax).
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I was just wondering how the new Eastern Airways flights from Newcastle were doing compared to when they were operated by British Airways?
Arent Eastern Airways alot more business passenger minded?
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Arent Eastern Airways alot more business passenger minded?
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Handling at NCL
MAN Despatcher: Generally Servisair handle the "cheapies" and Groundstar handle the "quality".
Division of work in NCL at the mo is about 60% Groundstar / 40% Servisair.
Just a thought..... how long will Servisair hang on to Easy?
Groundstar have a track record of taking work off Servisair, BY/AMM/KLM/SN and Easy (and Ryan) are handled by Groundstar in STN.
Rumour has it Easy will join Groundstar in NCL within the year.
Richardhall99: Eastern pax figures well down (and falling) on what BACX were carrying on same flights. They are MUCH more expensive than BACX were which might explain it.
Technical reliability has improved on the "screamers" under Eastern but generally the overall service is not as good as that offered by BACX. Poor morale among crews and a "small airline" mentality are not helping.
NB: BRS-NCL-BRS BACX loadfactors holding up extremely well.
punctuality and reliability on this route now 100%
Division of work in NCL at the mo is about 60% Groundstar / 40% Servisair.
Just a thought..... how long will Servisair hang on to Easy?
Groundstar have a track record of taking work off Servisair, BY/AMM/KLM/SN and Easy (and Ryan) are handled by Groundstar in STN.
Rumour has it Easy will join Groundstar in NCL within the year.
Richardhall99: Eastern pax figures well down (and falling) on what BACX were carrying on same flights. They are MUCH more expensive than BACX were which might explain it.
Technical reliability has improved on the "screamers" under Eastern but generally the overall service is not as good as that offered by BACX. Poor morale among crews and a "small airline" mentality are not helping.
NB: BRS-NCL-BRS BACX loadfactors holding up extremely well.
punctuality and reliability on this route now 100%