Euro Manx on IOM - LPL
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Euro Manx on IOM - LPL
I would be interested in knowing other people's views on Euro Manx setting up in competition with BACE (Ex Manx Airlines).
My personnal thoughts on the matter are that they won't last that long, remember what happened to Hemeroyed Airways! They did it for about a year and lost soooo much money (is that a mountain I can see first officer?)(yee ha).
My personnal thoughts on the matter are that they won't last that long, remember what happened to Hemeroyed Airways! They did it for about a year and lost soooo much money (is that a mountain I can see first officer?)(yee ha).
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Rumour had it a while ago that BRAL were pulling out of LPL to concentrate on MAN. This was seen as an obvious opening by a couple and Keenair began 3 or 4 rotations a day and rumour has it EuroManx is starting. Best i can see is BRAL still operating the route and Keenair picking up a few.
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Nice Beaver
Thanx for your reply.
I believe that the Fragle rock gov have decided to turn down a new route licencing sheme for the island, shame really, as Jersey has one!
I know for a fact that Ryanair is looking at coming to the island to do a DUB - IOM - LPL, but, these plans have been shelved as the Rwy at Ronaldsway is quite short (not for me:o). Ok so a 737 or 757 can get in and out of Ronaldsway with ease, however, Ryanair are a bit concerned of having to perform short field take offs and landings all the time, as this will increase engine wear and add to the costs.
I hope that Ryanair doesnt come to the island, because all you guys know that BACE's (ex manx/bral) maintainance base is located at Ronaldsway and all it would take is for the IOM gov to allow Ryanair to come in and for BACE to say, right, were moving the base else where! This could happen!!! Stranger things have happened.
cheers!
Thanx for your reply.
I believe that the Fragle rock gov have decided to turn down a new route licencing sheme for the island, shame really, as Jersey has one!
I know for a fact that Ryanair is looking at coming to the island to do a DUB - IOM - LPL, but, these plans have been shelved as the Rwy at Ronaldsway is quite short (not for me:o). Ok so a 737 or 757 can get in and out of Ronaldsway with ease, however, Ryanair are a bit concerned of having to perform short field take offs and landings all the time, as this will increase engine wear and add to the costs.
I hope that Ryanair doesnt come to the island, because all you guys know that BACE's (ex manx/bral) maintainance base is located at Ronaldsway and all it would take is for the IOM gov to allow Ryanair to come in and for BACE to say, right, were moving the base else where! This could happen!!! Stranger things have happened.
cheers!
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Saw the B1900 today at LPL. Dutch register so must be wet lease. Strange though as it took off directly after the BRAL ATP and returned shortly after, would have thought keeping the times a bit away from BRAL might help. I understand the tickets are cheaper but wet lease B1900 against ATP - from purely a pax point of view the extra money on BRAL might be worth it?
I also see Keenair have gracefully withdrawn.
I also see Keenair have gracefully withdrawn.
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Who I'n their right mind would pay extra money to fly on a BACX ATP.
You pay for what you can afford. And I don't think that people will be to bothered if they see a nasty looking ATP departing just ahead of them, if they know they have paid considerably less.
All airlines have to start somewhere, but why from LPL or IOM is a mystery. They are both grim!
2-1 to all those Liverpool supporters who are about to get shirty about the above comment!
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You pay for what you can afford. And I don't think that people will be to bothered if they see a nasty looking ATP departing just ahead of them, if they know they have paid considerably less.
All airlines have to start somewhere, but why from LPL or IOM is a mystery. They are both grim!
2-1 to all those Liverpool supporters who are about to get shirty about the above comment!
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Hi there
For your info, BA CitiExpress are actually £10 cheaper that Euro Manx to LPL!
I quite agree wth what you said about people will pay what they can afford, so, my bets are they will fly with BACE. If EuroManx decide to start a price war, they have no chance against such a giant as BA CitiExpress.
With regard to the comment about the IOM (fraggle rock) being grim, I totally disagree with you, Manx Airlines has been very profitable over the last few years and was the UK's best regional airline and the company has all the awards to prove it. Pop over, and I will show you...... LOL
Hi there
For your info, BA CitiExpress are actually £10 cheaper that Euro Manx to LPL!
I quite agree wth what you said about people will pay what they can afford, so, my bets are they will fly with BACE. If EuroManx decide to start a price war, they have no chance against such a giant as BA CitiExpress.
With regard to the comment about the IOM (fraggle rock) being grim, I totally disagree with you, Manx Airlines has been very profitable over the last few years and was the UK's best regional airline and the company has all the awards to prove it. Pop over, and I will show you...... LOL
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One of the reasons Keenair started up this service is because they gained a contract from ( i think ) the Isle of man health service (or there version anyway) and bought a number of seats each flight. I think Manx did have this contract but lost or gave it away. I assume Euromanx will now take over this. 3 operators on a route like that would never have worked anyway.
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Hello
Anyone any idea how this service is doing so far? From what I have seen, at least on the inbounds to LPL it has been doing well with the aircraft being near full, but I have heared thay have been cancelling some flights and the outbounds from LPL are not doing as well as the inbounds, also whay are they cancelling some flights?
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Anyone any idea how this service is doing so far? From what I have seen, at least on the inbounds to LPL it has been doing well with the aircraft being near full, but I have heared thay have been cancelling some flights and the outbounds from LPL are not doing as well as the inbounds, also whay are they cancelling some flights?
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if liverpool is so grim how come the busiest domestic route in the the uk bar london airports is belfast <international> to liverpool and vice versa and no comments about irish immigrants please
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10 quid cheaper? Would that be in real money(Great British Pounds) or would it be Isle Of Man monopoly money that you can't use anywhere else???????????
BA CitiExpress will screw it up at some point. This is a dead cert. They have managed it everywhere else, and so therefore they will probably do it on this route as well. Although, seeing as all the mangement need to protect their escape route for the weekend, then it will possibly escape.
As I have just mentioned, even the management seem to escape the island at weekends, leaving just the locals to chase sheep, play on the pretend railway, (Steam of course, because electricity is still in the early stages of development on the ROCK), and play golf on wet and windy courses.
Manx Airlines winning awards? UK's Best Airline? So did the Isle of Man government want to be included as part of the UK that year then? ? ? ?
As for popping over? Well I did that once before, and as a result, I would rather poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick, than ever set foot on that rock again. Sorry! Just not my cuppa tea.
Similar to where I am may not be your cuppa tea. It's personal choice, nothing more, nothing less.
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Once again, you probably find that the route is busy because the sector time is short, therefore this would be reflected in the cost of a ticket. Add on cheaper airport costs, than those of London, and also add in the very Scousse way of obtaining a hire car (you nick it!). I now feel we have clearly established the reason for this route being so busy.........
Go Charlton, for all those depressed Liverpool FC supporters!!!!!
AOG007
10 quid cheaper? Would that be in real money(Great British Pounds) or would it be Isle Of Man monopoly money that you can't use anywhere else???????????
BA CitiExpress will screw it up at some point. This is a dead cert. They have managed it everywhere else, and so therefore they will probably do it on this route as well. Although, seeing as all the mangement need to protect their escape route for the weekend, then it will possibly escape.
As I have just mentioned, even the management seem to escape the island at weekends, leaving just the locals to chase sheep, play on the pretend railway, (Steam of course, because electricity is still in the early stages of development on the ROCK), and play golf on wet and windy courses.
Manx Airlines winning awards? UK's Best Airline? So did the Isle of Man government want to be included as part of the UK that year then? ? ? ?
As for popping over? Well I did that once before, and as a result, I would rather poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick, than ever set foot on that rock again. Sorry! Just not my cuppa tea.
Similar to where I am may not be your cuppa tea. It's personal choice, nothing more, nothing less.
glynn-kayes
Once again, you probably find that the route is busy because the sector time is short, therefore this would be reflected in the cost of a ticket. Add on cheaper airport costs, than those of London, and also add in the very Scousse way of obtaining a hire car (you nick it!). I now feel we have clearly established the reason for this route being so busy.........
Go Charlton, for all those depressed Liverpool FC supporters!!!!!
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The real problem with the BACX sevices out of the IOM is the shocking reliability of some of the aircraft, knackered old J41s that won't start in the cold, ATPs that are constantly late. I'll take the quality on time service from Euromanx anytime.
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Last Thursday the Euro Manx got out of LPL in from of the ATP on the early morning slot - looked like they were trying to show they were better than BACE.
The reason why BFS-LPL is so busy is that the prices offered by EZY are attracting traffic from ferries, railways and NatEx/Ulsterbus services from/to NI. Just like the battle on BFS-GLA/EDI the locos are now battling the ferry companies for footpax traffic as prices are competitive - the NI-Scotland ferry services have always been as busy as Dover-Calais for footpax with up to 24 crossings per day which carried a lot of pax - EZY/Go have capitalized on this traffic. It is not new business just "switch mode".
The reason why BFS-LPL is so busy is that the prices offered by EZY are attracting traffic from ferries, railways and NatEx/Ulsterbus services from/to NI. Just like the battle on BFS-GLA/EDI the locos are now battling the ferry companies for footpax traffic as prices are competitive - the NI-Scotland ferry services have always been as busy as Dover-Calais for footpax with up to 24 crossings per day which carried a lot of pax - EZY/Go have capitalized on this traffic. It is not new business just "switch mode".
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regarding switch mode you cant compare a 9 hour sea crossing to a 50 min flight at the same price or probably cheaper also a lot of pax on the bhd-man route have also switched eg 4 atps and 1 erj compared to 8 737s per day what is the percentage between pax movements per month between bfs and lpl and man however this could all change when a certain lo cost starts man-bfs
