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These figures appeared in alt.airports.uk.edinburgh:
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The following shows the Central Belt market shares in respect of some
markets. The first figure is the share of the market in the 12-months
to 31.12.2002. The second figure is the market share in the 12-months
t0 30.08.2002, August being the latest confirmed CAA data available.
The difference between the two figures are the gains or losses in the
8-month period.
Scheduled passengers (all destinations - domestic and international)
EDI : 47.18% 48.34% (+1.16%)
GLA : 43.68% 41.91% (-1.77%)
PIK : 9.14% 9.76% (+0.62%)
Domestic passengers
EDI : 48.85% 49.56% (+0.71%)
GLA : 43.91% 43.29% (-0.62%)
PIK : 7.23% 7.15% (-0.08%)
Scheduled international passengers (all destinations)
EDI : 42.69% 44.88% (+2.19%)
GLA : 42.95% 37.99% (-4.96%)
PIK : 14.36% 17.13% (+2.77%)
Scheduled international passengers (EU destinations)
EDI : 49.85% 50.57% (+0.72%)
GLA : 33.11% 29.12% (-3.99%)
PIK : 17.04% 20.31% (+3.27%)
ATMs
EDI : 48.42% 50.01% (+1.59%)
GLA : 44.96% 42.89% (-2.87%)
PIK : 6.62% 7.10% (+0.48%)
EDI currently achieving 50%+ in respect of ATMs and scheduled
international passengers and looking likely to very soon take 50%+ of
the domestic market. Scheduled passenger numbers are also creeping
close to 50%.
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The following shows the Central Belt market shares in respect of some
markets. The first figure is the share of the market in the 12-months
to 31.12.2002. The second figure is the market share in the 12-months
t0 30.08.2002, August being the latest confirmed CAA data available.
The difference between the two figures are the gains or losses in the
8-month period.
Scheduled passengers (all destinations - domestic and international)
EDI : 47.18% 48.34% (+1.16%)
GLA : 43.68% 41.91% (-1.77%)
PIK : 9.14% 9.76% (+0.62%)
Domestic passengers
EDI : 48.85% 49.56% (+0.71%)
GLA : 43.91% 43.29% (-0.62%)
PIK : 7.23% 7.15% (-0.08%)
Scheduled international passengers (all destinations)
EDI : 42.69% 44.88% (+2.19%)
GLA : 42.95% 37.99% (-4.96%)
PIK : 14.36% 17.13% (+2.77%)
Scheduled international passengers (EU destinations)
EDI : 49.85% 50.57% (+0.72%)
GLA : 33.11% 29.12% (-3.99%)
PIK : 17.04% 20.31% (+3.27%)
ATMs
EDI : 48.42% 50.01% (+1.59%)
GLA : 44.96% 42.89% (-2.87%)
PIK : 6.62% 7.10% (+0.48%)
EDI currently achieving 50%+ in respect of ATMs and scheduled
international passengers and looking likely to very soon take 50%+ of
the domestic market. Scheduled passenger numbers are also creeping
close to 50%.
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THERE'S NOTHING TO BE CONCERNRD ABOUT. LIKE ALL MAJOR AIRPORTS PASSENGER GROWTH HAS NOT BEEN AS STRONG AS NORMAL ESPECIALLY ON THE TRANSATLANTIC ROUTES, GLASGOW BEING NO DIFFERENT.
UNLIKE EDINBURGH, GLASGOW IS SERVED BY TWO AIRPORTS AND WITH THE BOOM IN LOW COST CARRIERS PRESTWICK HAS TAKEN SOME OF GLASGOW INT. PASSENGER NUMBERS.
IT IS NOW UNFAIR JUST TO COMPARE GLASGOW INTERNATIONAL WITH EDINBURGH. IF YOU COMBINE THE NUMBERS AT BOTH OF GLASGOWS AIRPORTS YOU CAN SEE THE WEST HAS SEEN A HEALTHY RISE IN PASSENGER NUMBERS AND MOVEMENTS FAR MORE THAN THAT OF EDINBURGH AND THE EAST
UNLIKE EDINBURGH, GLASGOW IS SERVED BY TWO AIRPORTS AND WITH THE BOOM IN LOW COST CARRIERS PRESTWICK HAS TAKEN SOME OF GLASGOW INT. PASSENGER NUMBERS.
IT IS NOW UNFAIR JUST TO COMPARE GLASGOW INTERNATIONAL WITH EDINBURGH. IF YOU COMBINE THE NUMBERS AT BOTH OF GLASGOWS AIRPORTS YOU CAN SEE THE WEST HAS SEEN A HEALTHY RISE IN PASSENGER NUMBERS AND MOVEMENTS FAR MORE THAN THAT OF EDINBURGH AND THE EAST
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Joe,
When will you stop this one man campaign against West Coast airports, GLA in particular. It really is getting rather boring.
However, as Chivilcoy & Hap Hazard have quite rightly said, when Scottish Airports wake up realise that the (slight) rise in EDI traffic is primarily due to the Low Cost carriers, then I'm sure they will ensure GLA does not fall behind (and get some of it's original business back from both PIK & EDI).
When will you stop this one man campaign against West Coast airports, GLA in particular. It really is getting rather boring.
However, as Chivilcoy & Hap Hazard have quite rightly said, when Scottish Airports wake up realise that the (slight) rise in EDI traffic is primarily due to the Low Cost carriers, then I'm sure they will ensure GLA does not fall behind (and get some of it's original business back from both PIK & EDI).
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>>When will you stop this one man campaign against West Coast airports, GLA in particular. It really is getting rather
boring. <<
I post an interesting set of figures, without comment. It's a campaign against west coast airports?
boring. <<
I post an interesting set of figures, without comment. It's a campaign against west coast airports?
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>>To the average (non-scottish) reader, your posts must seem just a little biased.<<
Your reaction to them must therefore appear to be a tad paranoid?
Perhaps you only want to hear the good figures?
Sweep the 'iiffy' ones under the carpet?
The chap who inquired about figures for Scotland's
Northern Airports? They are doing as well as can be expected
under HIAL control.
BAA's ABZ is 'holding' admirally, perhaps new owners.?
Your reaction to them must therefore appear to be a tad paranoid?
Perhaps you only want to hear the good figures?
Sweep the 'iiffy' ones under the carpet?
The chap who inquired about figures for Scotland's
Northern Airports? They are doing as well as can be expected
under HIAL control.
BAA's ABZ is 'holding' admirally, perhaps new owners.?
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>>IF YOU COMBINE THE NUMBERS AT BOTH OF GLASGOWS AIRPORTS YOU CAN SEE THE WEST HAS SEEN A HEALTHY RISE IN PASSENGER NUMBERS AND MOVEMENTS FAR MORE THAN THAT OF EDINBURGH AND THE EAST<<
You are assuming of course that the pax come exclusively
from the Glasgow area.
Edinburgh's pax do not avail themselves
to EDI-elusive transatlantic /charter flights at GLA and FR's
budget services at PIK?.
The truth is that EDI is Scotland's most convenient /accessible
for a large slice of the population.
Recent figures reveal that 50% of PIK's pax are actually going
to Edinburgh.
You are assuming of course that the pax come exclusively
from the Glasgow area.
Edinburgh's pax do not avail themselves
to EDI-elusive transatlantic /charter flights at GLA and FR's
budget services at PIK?.
The truth is that EDI is Scotland's most convenient /accessible
for a large slice of the population.
Recent figures reveal that 50% of PIK's pax are actually going
to Edinburgh.
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>>You are assuming of course that the pax come exclusively
from the Glasgow area<<
Not at all, you are assuming that Edinburgh's PAX are from the Edinburgh area. Figures revealed that quite a proportion are from the east of Glasgow in fact.
from the Glasgow area<<
Not at all, you are assuming that Edinburgh's PAX are from the Edinburgh area. Figures revealed that quite a proportion are from the east of Glasgow in fact.
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>>Not at all, you are assuming that Edinburgh's PAX are from the Edinburgh area. Figures revealed that quite a proportion are from the east of Glasgow in fact.<<
Backing up a statement from the chairman of Glasgow Airport's
Consultative Council and confirming that EDI is indeed Scotland's
most accessible/convenient airport.
The vast population pools of Airdrie, Coatbridge, Motherwell and
Wishaw etc, would also avail themselves to EDI's convenience.?
Only those socially engineered to GLA's exclusive transatlantic/
charter/long haul services being forced to head west.?
Backing up a statement from the chairman of Glasgow Airport's
Consultative Council and confirming that EDI is indeed Scotland's
most accessible/convenient airport.
The vast population pools of Airdrie, Coatbridge, Motherwell and
Wishaw etc, would also avail themselves to EDI's convenience.?
Only those socially engineered to GLA's exclusive transatlantic/
charter/long haul services being forced to head west.?
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>>Recent figures reveal that 50% of PIK's pax are actually going
to Edinburgh.<<
You quoted this figure in another part of this forum and when asked to provide a sourece you failed to answer - could you perhaps furnish us with a link or source for this information?
to Edinburgh.<<
You quoted this figure in another part of this forum and when asked to provide a sourece you failed to answer - could you perhaps furnish us with a link or source for this information?
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Joe,
Where to begin.
1) I want to hear the correct figures, whatever station they show is the busiest, GLA or EDI, not from some Raspberry who has no professional interest in the Aviation business, other than taking photo's from the A8.
2) I am not the paranoid type. I used to live in the West of Scotland (Lenzie - and worked at both GLA & EDI), therefore, although the capital is Edinburgh, the largest City and connurbations are in the West, and strangely where the main Airport is situated - Where is the problem? Some people call it Economics!
3) Clarify the comment:
>>50% of PIK's pax are actually going to Edinburgh<<
How can it be that 50% of the pax travelling through PIK actually fly through EDI
Want me to buy you a calculator for Xmas??
4) Repeating the question from 'nef'. Provide the source for the above comment about 50% of PIK pax, etc.
5) One should never assume anything! No one has ever made any suggestion that the majority of pax travelling through EDI are from the east end of Glasgow and the Lanarkshire suburbs.
6) >>The vast population pools of Airdrie, Coatbridge, Motherwell and Wishaw etc, would also avail themselves to EDI's convenience<< 'The vast population pools - since when?
When the M74 extension is built, therefore bypassing Glasgow City Center, GLA will actually be closer that EDI for those people.
Will that be the grounds for another conspiracy theory?
Joe, stop asking for a fight. GLA is, and will always be the prefered choice for the few International carriers that choose to fly into Scotland. Accept the fact that, despite the puppet parliament, the east is east, but the west is best.
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Where to begin.
1) I want to hear the correct figures, whatever station they show is the busiest, GLA or EDI, not from some Raspberry who has no professional interest in the Aviation business, other than taking photo's from the A8.
2) I am not the paranoid type. I used to live in the West of Scotland (Lenzie - and worked at both GLA & EDI), therefore, although the capital is Edinburgh, the largest City and connurbations are in the West, and strangely where the main Airport is situated - Where is the problem? Some people call it Economics!
3) Clarify the comment:
>>50% of PIK's pax are actually going to Edinburgh<<
How can it be that 50% of the pax travelling through PIK actually fly through EDI
Want me to buy you a calculator for Xmas??
4) Repeating the question from 'nef'. Provide the source for the above comment about 50% of PIK pax, etc.
5) One should never assume anything! No one has ever made any suggestion that the majority of pax travelling through EDI are from the east end of Glasgow and the Lanarkshire suburbs.
6) >>The vast population pools of Airdrie, Coatbridge, Motherwell and Wishaw etc, would also avail themselves to EDI's convenience<< 'The vast population pools - since when?
When the M74 extension is built, therefore bypassing Glasgow City Center, GLA will actually be closer that EDI for those people.
Will that be the grounds for another conspiracy theory?
Joe, stop asking for a fight. GLA is, and will always be the prefered choice for the few International carriers that choose to fly into Scotland. Accept the fact that, despite the puppet parliament, the east is east, but the west is best.
Ramadan Kareem,
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The 50% figure I referred to is from this article.
(Now back to the A8!)
From the E.E.N., 18 November :
Call for city bus link to Prestwick
A DIRECT bus service should bring tourists arriving at Prestwick
airport through to Edinburgh, SNP transport spokesman Kenny MacAskill said today.
Passenger numbers at Prestwick are on the increase, but Mr MacAskill said an estimated 50 per cent of the 1.4 million people who landed there last year ended up in the Capital.
And he called on Edinburgh and Lothians Tourist Board to instigate a new direct bus link.
He said anyone travelling between Edinburgh and Prestwick at the moment either had to change train stations in Glasgow or spend 15 minutes waiting at Glasgow;s Buchanan Street bus station.
And it was impossible for people with early morning flights to reach Prestwick in time by public transport.
"What we need is a direct bus service to bring to Edinburgh, which is the key destination for many of the backpackers and other tourists arriving at Prestwick."
Mr MacAskill added that he was putting his proposal to Jack Munro, the chief executive at Edinburgh and Lothians Tourist Board.
"What we need is seedcorn funding, a subsidy to encourage operators to start it off and pretty soon the service would be capable of paying its own way."
Mr Munro said he would give Mr MacAskill;s letter careful
consideration when it was received.
(Now back to the A8!)
From the E.E.N., 18 November :
Call for city bus link to Prestwick
A DIRECT bus service should bring tourists arriving at Prestwick
airport through to Edinburgh, SNP transport spokesman Kenny MacAskill said today.
Passenger numbers at Prestwick are on the increase, but Mr MacAskill said an estimated 50 per cent of the 1.4 million people who landed there last year ended up in the Capital.
And he called on Edinburgh and Lothians Tourist Board to instigate a new direct bus link.
He said anyone travelling between Edinburgh and Prestwick at the moment either had to change train stations in Glasgow or spend 15 minutes waiting at Glasgow;s Buchanan Street bus station.
And it was impossible for people with early morning flights to reach Prestwick in time by public transport.
"What we need is a direct bus service to bring to Edinburgh, which is the key destination for many of the backpackers and other tourists arriving at Prestwick."
Mr MacAskill added that he was putting his proposal to Jack Munro, the chief executive at Edinburgh and Lothians Tourist Board.
"What we need is seedcorn funding, a subsidy to encourage operators to start it off and pretty soon the service would be capable of paying its own way."
Mr Munro said he would give Mr MacAskill;s letter careful
consideration when it was received.
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Joe it is interesting that your apparently factual quote of :-
..... actually is your interpretation of the newspaper report which said :-
The meanings of both quotes qre significantly different.
And when you look at what Kenny MacAskill was reported to have said the " estimated 50% " is unsubstantiated and pretty unrealistic. In all probability this was an estimate (by someone unknown ) of the percentage of tourists inbound (landed ) to Scotland on flights to PIK who pass through Edinburgh at some point in their stay.
When you start two threads almost simultaneously by using titles such as Gla slipping and Edi expansion and distort reports I think most people would reasonably consider you to be biased. Not that being biased is wrong as long as you recognise it.
P.S. When did Livingston get incorporated into Edinburgh ?
It was mentioned recently that 50% of PIK's pax are actually going to Edinburgh
..... actually is your interpretation of the newspaper report which said :-
Passenger numbers at Prestwick are on the increase, but Mr MacAskill said an estimated 50 per cent of the 1.4 million people who landed there last year ended up in the Capital.
The meanings of both quotes qre significantly different.
And when you look at what Kenny MacAskill was reported to have said the " estimated 50% " is unsubstantiated and pretty unrealistic. In all probability this was an estimate (by someone unknown ) of the percentage of tourists inbound (landed ) to Scotland on flights to PIK who pass through Edinburgh at some point in their stay.
When you start two threads almost simultaneously by using titles such as Gla slipping and Edi expansion and distort reports I think most people would reasonably consider you to be biased. Not that being biased is wrong as long as you recognise it.
P.S. When did Livingston get incorporated into Edinburgh ?
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>>Mr MacAskill said an estimated 50 per cent of the 1.4 million people who landed there last year ended up in the Capital.<<
If you believe everything politicians say, Mr Curry, then I think you really are in trouble!
I remember once a Glasgow MSP claiming that GLA handled 9 million passengers a year - as I'm sure you would be the 1st to tells us this is absolute rubbish - but nevertheless the figure was quoted to advance that particular parliamentarians views.
As I think the saying goes - "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"
If you believe everything politicians say, Mr Curry, then I think you really are in trouble!
I remember once a Glasgow MSP claiming that GLA handled 9 million passengers a year - as I'm sure you would be the 1st to tells us this is absolute rubbish - but nevertheless the figure was quoted to advance that particular parliamentarians views.
As I think the saying goes - "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics"
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Joe has got some good points.. I'm from EGPH
When i want to go on vacation i prefer to fly from my Local Airport rather than drive 50-60 miles to Glasgow. Nothing against Glasgow but it's easy to get a cab from Edinburgh City Center to Edinburgh Airport for 15Quid.. How much time and money does it cost to go to Glasgow.
Joe has a point guys!
Fly Local when you can.... Or is Edinburgh just to small?
When i want to go on vacation i prefer to fly from my Local Airport rather than drive 50-60 miles to Glasgow. Nothing against Glasgow but it's easy to get a cab from Edinburgh City Center to Edinburgh Airport for 15Quid.. How much time and money does it cost to go to Glasgow.
Joe has a point guys!
Fly Local when you can.... Or is Edinburgh just to small?