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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 12:23
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Originally Posted by willy wombat
TwinAisle - hope you didn’t sign an NDA before getting the business plan.
Absolutely not. If I was asked to now, I’d assume it’s because they were worried a stand-up comedian might want it.
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 12:24
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So is this a document they are using to seek funding?
If they are, they are on very thin ice. But frankly it is so bad that no-one would offer them funding anyway.
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Old 2nd Jun 2023, 12:49
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Their website state "We’ve all suffered for far too long with long security queues, late flights, lost luggage..."

Are they going to have their own security queues at the airports? Or never be late? Or ensure airports never lose luggage from some of their pax?
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 07:50
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Any guesses as to their first route?

I’m going with Manston - Kansas City double daily
I thought they were going from Doncaster to Chicago Lakeside (Meigs Field) - after all , there is no-one else on that route
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 10:21
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Some people on here know what I do for a living. This business plan crossed my desk the other day.

It is just beyond dreadful.

Blatant untruths from beginning to end. Established companies being used as 'strategic partners' when I know for a fact they are not even remotely involved (it can't be long before Global gets rude legal letters). The numbers are just fanciful - put in place by someone who clearly does not have the first clue about airline economics, the cost drivers, the regulations.

One lovely example is that he claims to have an AOC and an operating licence. Without a flying aircraft, that would be up there with that glass of Nazareth tap water that blushed deeply and smelt of Merlot.

I never thought in a million years that I would see a plan more driven by drugs, lunacy and lies than Atmosphere. But ladies and gents - this one has got Unsworth beaten to a pulp.

Another complete and utter joke.

Well said - this summarises all my feelings on the matter of Global Airlines.

If this get’s any more serious attention from airline based media it’s a failure of our industry as a whole. We all have a duty to uphold regulatory discipline within aviation. The safe carriage of passengers is the first most essential priority of any ‘airline’. Global is an embarrassment and can’t be allowed anymore airtime.
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 16:20
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If this get’s any more serious attention from airline based media it’s a failure of our industry as a whole
This. Sharklet_321, chapeau.

It is a damning indictment of the aviation press that this project is being written up, prefaced with anything other than "You are NOT going to believe this ****e". I would love to see it being a rule that people need to work for at least five years in the industry before they are allowed to write about it as an "aviation journalist". Further it is an even more damning indictment of so called airline professionals that they are giving this even a second's worth of attention. I'd force people to work in the business for ten years before they are allowed to 'start' an airline, while telling the rest of us what a bunch of chumps we are.

​​​​​​​The safe carriage of passengers is the first most essential priority of any ‘airline’.
This. Absolutely this.

Anyone who can write a proposal like this, complete bilge about how airline commercials, aeropolitics and financial regulations work shouldn't be allowed to build an Airfix kit, let alone talk about carrying real people on real aircraft. If they don't understand how EU1008 works, they show they have no clue about continuing airworthiness, maintenance, operations, training, and all those other functions that help keep everyone safe.
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 16:29
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Astonishing! It certainly fooled simpleflying.com though.
Alias simplisticflying.com
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 16:45
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Shame really because amongst the banal and often poorly researched articles there are often a couple of interesting ones to be truffled out.
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 16:51
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amongst the banal and often poorly researched articles there are often a couple of interesting ones to be truffled out.
I am approached by perhaps 10 potential start-ups a year - since Covid perhaps twice that. I've taken perhaps four all the way to AOC, OL and operations in the last few years. It is that sort of proportion. The vast majority go straight into the little round filing cabinet, with a polite email to the sender.
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 17:01
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It seems to me that airline startup stories are, initially, treated completely uncritically by trade and general press alike. One only has to remember the two (!) Martin Halstead fairy stories.
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AFAIK, Stelios Haji-Ioannou had not spent 5 or even 10 years working in aviation before starting Easyjet
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AFAIK, Stelios Hajioannou had not spent 5 or even 10 years working in aviation before starting Easyjet
No - but he had a team that had. He had a realistic business plan. He had a lot of money. And he didn't tell outrageous porkies in his expositions....
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 18:11
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and with £100 registered capital, this will go far.......not.
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Old 3rd Jun 2023, 20:41
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No - but he had a team that had. He had a realistic business plan. He had a lot of money. And he didn't tell outrageous porkies in his expositions....
...not to mention that his father, Loucas Haji-Ioannou,was a Greek-Cypriot shipping entrepreneur - one of the few Greek ship owners whose fleets dominated the global shipping industry for most of the 20th century.
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and with £100 registered capital, this will go far.......not.
registered capital is just the startup package - each of those shares could, theoretically, be sold to investors for £ 1 mm each.................. and then diluted later

it's not uncommon , especially in unlisted companies.
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Old 4th Jun 2023, 07:44
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"It is a damning indictment of the aviation press that this project is being written up, "

A worse example is the acres of space given to startups peddling electric air taxis in such venerable publications as "Flight"

Someone pointed out a year back that several such companies featured in recent editions intended to be selling certified aircraft by 2027. In the same edition Gulfstream were talking about a 6 year certification campaign to UPDATE one of their BJ's................
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Old 4th Jun 2023, 12:16
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OK that's it. I'm starting up my own airline, powered by the brains of Ppruners.
All I've got so far is the name, but it will be coming to your vicinity soon.
It's called Receding Airlines.

...I'll get my coat.
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Old 5th Jun 2023, 07:56
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HAIRIST!!!!
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Old 6th Jun 2023, 15:25
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I am gobsmacked at how serious this guy is: https://www.linkedin.com/in/james-as...-activity/all/


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Receding Airlines.
And boarded via the hair-stairs
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