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lightertheif Yes, indeed. If they are hiring PR before Engineers and experienced staff, then that is a warning all by itself.
GrimeySky Nice one! Someone should open a book on how - and when - this will crash and burn. Worst case? Asquith knows exactly what he is doing. Every year there is another swatch of get rich quick merchants who claim to have reinvented the wheel. Most simply go bankrupt but some land up in court.
GrimeySky Nice one! Someone should open a book on how - and when - this will crash and burn. Worst case? Asquith knows exactly what he is doing. Every year there is another swatch of get rich quick merchants who claim to have reinvented the wheel. Most simply go bankrupt but some land up in court.
" Every year there is another swatch of get rich quick merchants who claim to have reinvented the wheel."
have you ever invested in the AIM market in London? hundreds of "life-style" companies that live off optimistic idiot investors for decades................
have you ever invested in the AIM market in London? hundreds of "life-style" companies that live off optimistic idiot investors for decades................
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When I was in telecommunications, I worked in th City of London. Consequently, I do not invest in the stock market (directly) or any other market. Nor do I share an interest in Crypto currency or NFTs etc.
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Looks like a briefing held for the press tonight in London has not instilled confidence:
https://aviationsourcenews.com/analy...-many-attacks/
https://aviationsourcenews.com/analy...-many-attacks/
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This seems like a massive ego trip right now. The bloke has achieved very little to substantiate his claims or warrant this level of press coverage.
He needs to go away and put his money where his mouth is now and lets see what comes out the other end. I won't be holding my breath.
He needs to go away and put his money where his mouth is now and lets see what comes out the other end. I won't be holding my breath.
Looks like it was a pretty good feed tho'....................
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Some other big companies possibly showing a little confidence?
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...rican-express/
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...rican-express/
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Some other big companies possibly showing a little confidence?
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...rican-express/
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...rican-express/
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Some other big companies possibly showing a little confidence?
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...rican-express/
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...rican-express/
But as William Shakespeare once said ''lining up a supplier of free toothpaste does not an airline make.''
As for Biz Traveler's comments on the 'heavy hitters' on his advisory board...
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The growing advisory board at Global Airlines already features some well-known industry names, including Kevin Billings, former assistant secretary of the US Air Force; former French Air Force fighter pilot and COO at XL Airways Pierre Madrange, and experienced commercial and former military pilot Ian Black; Jacqueline Sutton, former CCO at Rolls Royce and Liam McKay, former London City Airport director of corporate affairs.
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No disrespect to anyone there, but in the big-league, how many of these names really get instant recognition?
And has he got ANYONE with a real revenue / airline-commercial background yet --- before an alleged launch of services 9 or 10 months away?!
Ain't gonna happen in spring 2024. Or if it does somehow struggle off the ground, not in any form that resembles what Asquith promised at Kettners. (Some wet lease sleight-of-hand MAYBE, but even that sounds unlikely).
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Some other big companies possibly showing a little confidence?
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...rican-express/
https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...rican-express/
What rather speaks volumes is that this is the kind of thing they are pushing to get a bit of PR, whilst numerous questions about the actual core viability of the business remain unanswered.
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But all he's really saying there is "these companies will sell products to us". Likewise with AmEx - if the pitch is "we'll give your cardholders" special perks then it's no skin off their nose to go along with it for the time being. There's no way any of these firms are putting any money into these 'partnerships'.
What rather speaks volumes is that this is the kind of thing they are pushing to get a bit of PR, whilst numerous questions about the actual core viability of the business remain unanswered.
What rather speaks volumes is that this is the kind of thing they are pushing to get a bit of PR, whilst numerous questions about the actual core viability of the business remain unanswered.
And it is TELLING that there is nothing on the Amex website about any special. I've worked long enough in this business to know how a REAL launch happens. If it was anything substantive, Amex would have been there at the launch. A joint press release would have been issued. Agreed quotes. But there is NOTHING.
Quite likely this is a one-sided deal as you suggest, and about as exciting as 'Bob's Burgers on Peckham High Street promise an extra squirt of ketchup to Amex Card Holders - subject to terms and conditions'.
short flights long nights
BA does how many flights across the Pond a day? 20 ? 30?
Although the Y product may be not was it was, the C and F classes are still not that bad. That on top of everything else they offer.. frequency, lounges, FF programme… I could go on.
This is a simple joke. It will never happen. iMHO.
Although the Y product may be not was it was, the C and F classes are still not that bad. That on top of everything else they offer.. frequency, lounges, FF programme… I could go on.
This is a simple joke. It will never happen. iMHO.
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Aside from the AOC, lack of slots, lack of experienced airline revenue staff (although Asquith claims he worked in aviation finance) and questionable choice of routes and and aircraft, Asquith seems to be convinced that passengers will flock to Global due to them deploying A380s.
When I first flew an A380 I was impressed with the quietness of it. I haven't flown an A380 for a while but the B787 and A350 are pretty quiet too. As a passenger I dislike the A380 as boarding takes an age. Meanwhile I think 98% of passengers don't really care what airframe they fly on. Most can't tell a Boeing from an Airbus.
In terms of cargo, A380s are also pretty useless in terms of tonnes they can carry...
When I first flew an A380 I was impressed with the quietness of it. I haven't flown an A380 for a while but the B787 and A350 are pretty quiet too. As a passenger I dislike the A380 as boarding takes an age. Meanwhile I think 98% of passengers don't really care what airframe they fly on. Most can't tell a Boeing from an Airbus.
In terms of cargo, A380s are also pretty useless in terms of tonnes they can carry...
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[QUOTE=SOPS;11475586]BA does how many flights across the Pond a day? 20 ? 30?
Although the Y product may be not was it was, the C and F classes are still not that bad. That on top of everything else they offer.. frequency, lounges, FF programme… I could go on.
This is a simple joke. It will never happen. iMHO.[/QUOTE
BA have 27 US destinations !
Although the Y product may be not was it was, the C and F classes are still not that bad. That on top of everything else they offer.. frequency, lounges, FF programme… I could go on.
This is a simple joke. It will never happen. iMHO.[/QUOTE
BA have 27 US destinations !
I look at the 'team' he is building up - and presumably has on his payroll and wonder if any of them did 'due diligence' before joining, if they did and then still joined - one has to wonder why.
Mind you he's getting farther into Fantasyland than JU did.
It would be interesting to see how many of these are actual full-time rolls or are they "come and sit on my compliance committee and I'll pay you £X for Y hours a month".
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Someone suggested this be posted from a email group:
No AOC
No Operating Licence
No Aircraft on G-reg
No DFT application to change bi lateral / air services agreement with US
No application for Part 129 US approval to operate
No application to sell tickets in the USA (Long 12-18 month process)
Money comes from Middle East into holiday swap, then into global. Global have to be 50.1% UK owned under new Brexit rules.
Will the US Dept for Transport and the UK DFT grant 'Global' a route licence /ASA on one of the worlds busiest air route which you could almost say is like a trade agreement, to a company whose funds (so far, unless they find UK money) have come from a Middle East family….I think not!
I am afraid the list of challenges for Global, although some may sound trivial are actually real challenges.
Whilst the UK has line capable MRO support, it has no base maintenance? Even BA sub theirs to Lufthansa Technik for big checks. Something goes pop and it can’t be fixed on the line, will they have to ferry to an MRO in Europe as doubt BA will help them with a Hangar. I am unsure of an A380 hangar in the UK apart from BA ? The line provider like will not have certain approvals for items I can suspect can only by done by the base provider?
Are they really going to take VS and BA’s corporates away from them. All those with Avios, card holders, all off to Global, no chance. In house travel agents at corporate’s risking a move to Global - no way! BA and VS will make them well aware, you move away, don’t expect the same corporate deals when you return!
No interlines or alliances for when it goes tits up in JFK or LGW. 600 euro a pop of EU261 and hotels as they can’t re route on an alliance carrier. To be frank, who is going to partner with them. They will have to be IOSA certified for an alliance - minimum 6 months and only really achievable when operating. You can go for IOSA from the start, but much more difficult.
No independent operator of A380. Even HIFLY couldn’t cope with it and handed it back.
BA are the only airline with a set of CAA compliant manuals for the A380 which would be acceptable. The work on the following manuals to satisfy the CAA to award an AOC will be a few months work in itself before even an application, surely! (Can't see this has been done already)
o Operations Manual Part A - General
o Operations Manual Part B - Aircraft Specific
o Operations Manual Part C - Routes & Aerodromes
o Operations Manual Part D - Training
o Operations Manual Part E - Cabin Safety
o Ground Operations Manual
o Compliance Manual
o Safety Management System Manual
o Compliance Monitoring Manual
o Security Manual
o Emergency Response Plan
o Continuing Airworthiness Management Exposition
o Maintenance Organisation Exposition (If own Part-145)
The only positive i can see is no ETOPS certification - thats about it ;-)
The last time a start up commenced from nothing in the UK and went long-haul was VS. Every UK carrier post this has started from another previous platform I.E Silverjet - Flyjet, Globespan - Cougar etc…
The Capital adequacy test / financial fitness test set by the UK CAA will set at a bar for the OL at a such a high number, they will make it impossible for it to happen as they know they will be picking up the pieces in 6-12 months time!
No AOC
No Operating Licence
No Aircraft on G-reg
No DFT application to change bi lateral / air services agreement with US
No application for Part 129 US approval to operate
No application to sell tickets in the USA (Long 12-18 month process)
Money comes from Middle East into holiday swap, then into global. Global have to be 50.1% UK owned under new Brexit rules.
Will the US Dept for Transport and the UK DFT grant 'Global' a route licence /ASA on one of the worlds busiest air route which you could almost say is like a trade agreement, to a company whose funds (so far, unless they find UK money) have come from a Middle East family….I think not!
I am afraid the list of challenges for Global, although some may sound trivial are actually real challenges.
Whilst the UK has line capable MRO support, it has no base maintenance? Even BA sub theirs to Lufthansa Technik for big checks. Something goes pop and it can’t be fixed on the line, will they have to ferry to an MRO in Europe as doubt BA will help them with a Hangar. I am unsure of an A380 hangar in the UK apart from BA ? The line provider like will not have certain approvals for items I can suspect can only by done by the base provider?
Are they really going to take VS and BA’s corporates away from them. All those with Avios, card holders, all off to Global, no chance. In house travel agents at corporate’s risking a move to Global - no way! BA and VS will make them well aware, you move away, don’t expect the same corporate deals when you return!
No interlines or alliances for when it goes tits up in JFK or LGW. 600 euro a pop of EU261 and hotels as they can’t re route on an alliance carrier. To be frank, who is going to partner with them. They will have to be IOSA certified for an alliance - minimum 6 months and only really achievable when operating. You can go for IOSA from the start, but much more difficult.
No independent operator of A380. Even HIFLY couldn’t cope with it and handed it back.
BA are the only airline with a set of CAA compliant manuals for the A380 which would be acceptable. The work on the following manuals to satisfy the CAA to award an AOC will be a few months work in itself before even an application, surely! (Can't see this has been done already)
o Operations Manual Part A - General
o Operations Manual Part B - Aircraft Specific
o Operations Manual Part C - Routes & Aerodromes
o Operations Manual Part D - Training
o Operations Manual Part E - Cabin Safety
o Ground Operations Manual
o Compliance Manual
o Safety Management System Manual
o Compliance Monitoring Manual
o Security Manual
o Emergency Response Plan
o Continuing Airworthiness Management Exposition
o Maintenance Organisation Exposition (If own Part-145)
The only positive i can see is no ETOPS certification - thats about it ;-)
The last time a start up commenced from nothing in the UK and went long-haul was VS. Every UK carrier post this has started from another previous platform I.E Silverjet - Flyjet, Globespan - Cougar etc…
The Capital adequacy test / financial fitness test set by the UK CAA will set at a bar for the OL at a such a high number, they will make it impossible for it to happen as they know they will be picking up the pieces in 6-12 months time!
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Someone suggested this be posted from a email group:
No AOC
No Operating Licence
No Aircraft on G-reg
No DFT application to change bi lateral / air services agreement with US
No application for Part 129 US approval to operate
No application to sell tickets in the USA (Long 12-18 month process)
Money comes from Middle East into holiday swap, then into global. Global have to be 50.1% UK owned under new Brexit rules.
Will the US Dept for Transport and the UK DFT grant 'Global' a route licence /ASA on one of the worlds busiest air route which you could almost say is like a trade agreement, to a company whose funds (so far, unless they find UK money) have come from a Middle East family….I think not!
[SHORTENED IN QUOTE]
The Capital adequacy test / financial fitness test set by the UK CAA will set at a bar for the OL at a such a high number, they will make it impossible for it to happen as they know they will be picking up the pieces in 6-12 months time!
No AOC
No Operating Licence
No Aircraft on G-reg
No DFT application to change bi lateral / air services agreement with US
No application for Part 129 US approval to operate
No application to sell tickets in the USA (Long 12-18 month process)
Money comes from Middle East into holiday swap, then into global. Global have to be 50.1% UK owned under new Brexit rules.
Will the US Dept for Transport and the UK DFT grant 'Global' a route licence /ASA on one of the worlds busiest air route which you could almost say is like a trade agreement, to a company whose funds (so far, unless they find UK money) have come from a Middle East family….I think not!
[SHORTENED IN QUOTE]
The Capital adequacy test / financial fitness test set by the UK CAA will set at a bar for the OL at a such a high number, they will make it impossible for it to happen as they know they will be picking up the pieces in 6-12 months time!
But perhaps the CEO of this 'airline' can solve them all in one step following the newest appointment to his burgeoning 'advisory board'? He just announced that Margaret Dabbs, OBE is the latest to join.
'We can’t thank you enough!' he oozed in a reply to her yesterday on LInkedIn. '’I'm thrilled that you are joining our advisory board. You’re a fantastic and inspiring person to me!''
Looking through his list of advisors the boy Asquith seems to have an obsession with having OBE's and MBE's in his gang. Margaret was awarded her OBE in 2023 - in an awards season still tainted by Boris Johnson's friends-family-felons theme. Absolutely no suggestion however that Margaret herself is anything other than honorable and fully deserving of the OBE.
According to her London website she leads 'The No.1 Retail & Spa Brand For The Best & Most Effective Luxury Products For Feet, Hands and Legs for both men & women.'
But will those listed skills help clearing the long list 'TO DO' items posted above???
Might it be time for Asquith to look for some serious Ops, Regulatory and Revenue Management professionals?
However, I guess if Gatwick ever rented Global some space for a luxury lounge (if they still had $$$ to build one), Margaret would be a great person to have on board for the spa side of things.