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Old 26th May 2022, 19:54
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Back in the ‘90s KLM was one of the few non-UK airlines into Orlando from Europe. Icelandair I think were the only other regular
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Grrr

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Back in the ‘90s KLM was one of the few non-UK airlines into Orlando from Europe. Icelandair I think were the only other regular
I think you'll find Richard Branson might object to that. You could also buy seat only on the many charters from UK airports. Maybe it was a typo and you meant 1980s?
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear
I think you'll find Richard Branson might object to that. You could also buy seat only on the many charters from UK airports. Maybe it was a typo and you meant 1980s?
Maybe you could read what I wrote before posting?
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Izmir appears to be not bookable on BA.com. Is this operated on someone else’s behalf?
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Old 30th May 2022, 10:04
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Izmir appears to be not bookable on BA.com. Is this operated on someone else’s behalf?
Izmir is a weekly holiday charter flight operated by BA Euroflyer for a holiday company. They are also operating weekly charters to Preveza in Greece
and to Kalamata in Greece. BA charter flights from Gatwick tend to have flight numbers BA82xx but can vary.
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Old 20th Jun 2022, 18:17
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Huge exodus of cabin crew, over 20 resignations in the last week, most citing pay and roster/conditions.

Something needs to change very quickly!
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Up to 26 Cabin Crew resignations now since January 1st, including the cabin crew manager. Things really not looking amazing for the Summer, but an email distributed to CC over the weekend from the Union hopefully means things are heading in the right direction.
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It’s a shame things are still not great at EuroFlyer, for me it was all a bit too much in the end. No work life balance. I really hope things get better for the crew. They are a nice bunch of people, some very experienced crew that hopefully will get the recognition and pay they deserve.
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Originally Posted by 787Heaven
It’s a shame things are still not great at EuroFlyer, for me it was all a bit too much in the end. No work life balance. I really hope things get better for the crew. They are a nice bunch of people, some very experienced crew that hopefully will get the recognition and pay they deserve.
Agree with everything you say. Unfortunately it continues. The “meeting” that took place yesterday shows we are HUGELY undercrewed, and that rosters going forward into March and April will only get worse before they get better.
I’m not sure how the current 6/2 pattern with 7 minimum days off per month can get any worse.
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Whilst I do not disbelieve what you are saying, what exactly are the issues that you say are causing issues with recruitment and retention?

I have been doing some research and Euroflyer salary levels compare well to those of EasyJet at Gatwick.
EasyJet say £22000 with allowances. BA Euroflyer £25000 with allowances. Obviously more for Senior. Crew (£30000 I believe).

Both airlines are point to point. Easyjet only has about 3 night-stopping aircraft away from the Gatwick base daily. Other early morning arrivals are operated by EasyJet Europe. BA Euroflyer make it quite clear in their adverts that Gatwick is a point to point base. Therefore limited scope for time overseas. Some crew I know actually like the idea of being able to be back home with families and friends etc...

Discounted staff travel BA systemwide is also available. Surely people do their research before applying for these cabin crew roles and understand that BA Euroflyer is a subsidiary just like BA CityFlyer.

When you say 'HUGELY undercrewed, and that rosters going forward into March and April will only get worse before they get better.', does that mean new cabin crew are being trained and due to be available as the year progresses? I follow the Gatwick schedules very closely and there have been hardly any cancellations at all in the past few months. So what is going on? I am getting different and in some cases opposing views from people within.

The cynical part of me is aware that a number of people were opposed to the idea of BA Euroflyer full stop and may like to see it have difficulties. However, I have to believe what you are saying because you seem well informed. I'm just curious about what the real issues are.
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Surely people do their research before applying for these cabin crew roles and understand that BA Euroflyer is a subsidiary just like BA CityFlyer.
They aim to hire teenagers or early 20s, so likely no. They sell themselves as an exciting new addition to British Airways when the reality seems to be they're easyJet with next to zero nightstops, except EZY do short haul point much better. Selling the company as exotic BA when the reality is really Ryanair seems to be making people wake up to the reality post hiring. Never ideal, and no axe to grind, just been a BA Gatwick customer since 1993 and they've never managed to make short haul work consistently well in thirty years.....
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Whilst I do not disbelieve what you are saying, what exactly are the issues that you say are causing issues with recruitment and retention?

I have been doing some research and Euroflyer salary levels compare well to those of EasyJet at Gatwick.
EasyJet say £22000 with allowances. BA Euroflyer £25000 with allowances. Obviously more for Senior. Crew (£30000 I believe).

Both airlines are point to point. Easyjet only has about 3 night-stopping aircraft away from the Gatwick base daily. Other early morning arrivals are operated by EasyJet Europe. BA Euroflyer make it quite clear in their adverts that Gatwick is a point to point base. Therefore limited scope for time overseas. Some crew I know actually like the idea of being able to be back home with families and friends etc...

Discounted staff travel BA systemwide is also available. Surely people do their research before applying for these cabin crew roles and understand that BA Euroflyer is a subsidiary just like BA CityFlyer.

When you say 'HUGELY undercrewed, and that rosters going forward into March and April will only get worse before they get better.', does that mean new cabin crew are being trained and due to be available as the year progresses? I follow the Gatwick schedules very closely and there have been hardly any cancellations at all in the past few months. So what is going on? I am getting different and in some cases opposing views from people within.

The cynical part of me is aware that a number of people were opposed to the idea of BA Euroflyer full stop and may like to see it have difficulties. However, I have to believe what you are saying because you seem well informed. I'm just curious about what the real issues are.
I understand you being cynical. I’m not against Euroflyer at all, I want to see us so well, I wouldn’t have stuck it out so long otherwise. Every flight for the last 9 months have been crew reassuring each other that “it will get better, it’s just new”, only to be met with silence from management and a painful lack of change other than a slight pay increase to match the cost of living.
Firstly, salary isn’t the issue. There are no complaints about salary. There were when the operation started, but these were addressed at the end of Summer 22, it’s not amazing, but we can get by without struggling.
You’re correct, there are no nightstops, other than unplanned/tech night stops, the advert does promote “returning home every night”. However, the roster is the key problem. There and backs or not, 6 in a row throws the whole work-life balance argument out of the window. For example, I started my run of 6 with an ACE, followed by AMS BOD 4 sectors, TFS, GNB, an airport standby which led me onto a DBV, and finally a GVA GVA 4 sector day. My 2 days off are wholly dedicated to catching up on sleep, for my next 6 days.
Also remember, many of these flight are completely full, on a 319 with 3 crew, it’s a high workload and incredibly tiring, and remember here at Euroflyer, there is no “trigger” for an extra crew member like at Heathrow.
There is no time for family or friends, nor to utilise the famous BA staff travel.
Granted, the staff travel is amazing, but can only be used on annual leave, the weekend trips and city breaks they advertise are nonsense, you just don’t have the time.

Again, you’re correct. Barely any cancellations, and for the most part, few crew related delays. Heathrow crew are currently in Gatwick topping us up, which is the main reason.

There are also a ridiculous amount of resignations, and crew currently working notice periods to head off to Norse, Easy and TUI, many others just to quit flying full stop. Add to this, the fact we have around 50 or 60 crew sat at home awaiting their Gatwick ID, some of whom have been waiting for months, our numbers are certainly inflated.

We’ve also now got our own AOC, which many aren’t “trained” for, conversion courses are regularly planned, only to be changed to flights after roster release, meaning those trained are getting a really hard time.

If your differing opinion is from flight crew, then it’s understandable, they have a pretty good gig here, and whilst their sympathy for us is high, there is of course nothing they can do to help other than offer us food from their crew meals….
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Many thanks for your detailed and informative response. I really hope those issues are resolved for you all soon. Keep with it. Best wishes.
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Hopefully ,you can get out of the vicious circle of crew leaving which means tougher rosters. If more stay hopefully it will get easier over time. Its persuading them them that is light at the end of the tunnel and that needs to come more positively
from the management. Hopefully when BA Euroflyer gets to be all A320/A321 this 3 cabin crew nonsense will have to end.
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I was recently made redundant from a certain carrier almost 2.5 weeks ago.
One of the first things I did was look to see if BA were hiring. Seen it was only Euro & Cityflyer.
Applied for Cabin Manager, got through to the online assessment but sadly didn’t pass that ( been a SCCM since 2010) - putting it down to lack of sleep/ stress you get when made redundant- and also being bit dense 😂
I did feel deflated though that I wasn’t good enough.
Do genuinely hope it starts getting better for the folks there.

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I’ve had very good crews on BA short haul from Gatwick in recent months so I hope things get better and stabilise for you all soon.
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Originally Posted by USERNAME_
I understand you being cynical. I’m not against Euroflyer at all, I want to see us so well, I wouldn’t have stuck it out so long otherwise. Every flight for the last 9 months have been crew reassuring each other that “it will get better, it’s just new”, only to be met with silence from management and a painful lack of change other than a slight pay increase to match the cost of living.
Firstly, salary isn’t the issue. There are no complaints about salary. There were when the operation started, but these were addressed at the end of Summer 22, it’s not amazing, but we can get by without struggling.
You’re correct, there are no nightstops, other than unplanned/tech night stops, the advert does promote “returning home every night”. However, the roster is the key problem. There and backs or not, 6 in a row throws the whole work-life balance argument out of the window. For example, I started my run of 6 with an ACE, followed by AMS BOD 4 sectors, TFS, GNB, an airport standby which led me onto a DBV, and finally a GVA GVA 4 sector day. My 2 days off are wholly dedicated to catching up on sleep, for my next 6 days.
Also remember, many of these flight are completely full, on a 319 with 3 crew, it’s a high workload and incredibly tiring, and remember here at Euroflyer, there is no “trigger” for an extra crew member like at Heathrow.
There is no time for family or friends, nor to utilise the famous BA staff travel.
Granted, the staff travel is amazing, but can only be used on annual leave, the weekend trips and city breaks they advertise are nonsense, you just don’t have the time.

Again, you’re correct. Barely any cancellations, and for the most part, few crew related delays. Heathrow crew are currently in Gatwick topping us up, which is the main reason.

There are also a ridiculous amount of resignations, and crew currently working notice periods to head off to Norse, Easy and TUI, many others just to quit flying full stop. Add to this, the fact we have around 50 or 60 crew sat at home awaiting their Gatwick ID, some of whom have been waiting for months, our numbers are certainly inflated.

We’ve also now got our own AOC, which many aren’t “trained” for, conversion courses are regularly planned, only to be changed to flights after roster release, meaning those trained are getting a really hard time.

If your differing opinion is from flight crew, then it’s understandable, they have a pretty good gig here, and whilst their sympathy for us is high, there is of course nothing they can do to help other than offer us food from their crew meals….
So no crew food either? I really dont understand how not providing this can be a huge money saver for an airline that has always offered it... new "subsidiary" or not.

The crews i've had from LGW over the past few months have been nothing but class and a credit to BA. Usually a lot more consistent than LHR colleagues, but i guess this should be easier to manage with a smaller team. So i am very sad to learn that BA think this is an acceptable working practice and a way to treat a just important team in their brand and network. Infact if more people were aware, i'm sure it would make people reconsider their choice of airline.

If a benefits package and rostering agreement can be made very soon, im sure it will retain a huge amount of crew and even attract many more. For e.g; crew food and a maximum rostered 5 days on in a row before 2 to 3 days rostered off. This will allow much more flexibility for crew to swap on and off flights and even choose to take on more flights if they wish. Something that improves morale no end.

The long and short of it. Its starting to sound splitting up the LGW operation really was uneccessary and hugely messy.
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I suspect the decision to set up BA EuroFlyer was imposed by IAG and BA would rather have not done it.

IAG CEO Luis Gallego was of course previously involved in the set up of Iberia Express in Madrid.
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So no crew food either? I really dont understand how not providing this can be a huge money saver for an airline that has always offered it... new "subsidiary" or not.
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No crew food. Although with the flight crew meals, and the occasional spare club meal to share it’s not a deal breaker anymore.
Just one of many “anti-BA” initiatives here at Euroflyer, among other things like crew cleaning the cabin during turnaround. Don’t need to tell most of you on here how disgusting a cabin can be after an Alicante or Dalaman, which doesn’t please the customers on the return leg.

Im pleased to hear you were happy with the crews from LGW, we try our best to deliver a good service to the customers with the few resources we have.
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March roster is out, and I see already that some cabin crew are posting goodbyes on the Facebook group. While it’s hugely disappointing that our cabin crew are treated this way, the almost immediate resignation following roster release is rather funny.

I must add, I don’t blame them, some of those rosters would make Ryanair and FlyDubai crew flinch, CHIRP will be busy this month.
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