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Old 8th Nov 2023, 06:12
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As reported in the Private Flying Forum, Carlisle going unlicensed from 16 November

https://www.aurora.nats.co.uk/htmlAI...081-en-GB.html
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So knowing how hard it appears to reinstate airspace etc.is this the final nail in the coffin?
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly
So knowing how hard it appears to reinstate airspace etc.is this the final nail in the coffin?
I would think so.
I wonder what has happened to the Terminal building.
Offices for Stobbart already perhaps or mothballed?
Great apron space perfect for storage too. Maybe that was always the Plan. Long term thinking.
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In the last 12 months, has there been any realistic and credible sign of an airline wanting to fly to Carlisle on a regular basis ?
If airspace were to remain in place, is there a good reason to expect an airline to start flying to Carlisle in the next year or two ?
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Originally Posted by Flying Hi
I would think so.
I wonder what has happened to the Terminal building.
Offices for Stobbart already perhaps or mothballed?
Great apron space perfect for storage too. Maybe that was always the Plan. Long term thinking.
Stobart Rail used to have an office upstairs, however they pulled out during covid. Upstairs ahs been empty ever since.

I believe downstairs is open and being used by visiting GA pilots. The airport did a facebook campaign a while ago about coming to carlisle and using their terminal.

In terms of airline traffic - no interest from anyone at the moment, and certainly Loganair have expressed in the past they dont want to work with the current management at the airport, so no chance of them returning. Losing controlled status might be a blow for some of the ad-hoc charter flights that pop in and out, not sure what their requirements are.
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Old 8th Nov 2023, 12:21
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
In the last 12 months, has there been any realistic and credible sign of an airline wanting to fly to Carlisle on a regular basis ?
If airspace were to remain in place, is there a good reason to expect an airline to start flying to Carlisle in the next year or two ?
No. The airport would need to re-licensed to allow airline operations (and if there were any grandfathered rights, they will have been lost).
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Report of a recent visit by the Flying Reporter


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Old 8th Nov 2023, 13:07
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
In the last 12 months, has there been any realistic and credible sign of an airline wanting to fly to Carlisle on a regular basis ?
If airspace were to remain in place, is there a good reason to expect an airline to start flying to Carlisle in the next year or two ?
So I've been attempting to establish an airline called Lakeland Airways that is(was) looking to be based at and offer flights from/to Carlisle, however our plans have changed quite a bit over the last couple of years and I'm not actively promoting/talking about things too much as I'm still seeking investment and I don't want to end-up overpromising and under-delivering unlike some other start-ups out there (i.e Global Airlines).

I think COVID, the loss of the Loganair flights, the fiasco surrounding the Jason Scales/Ettyl failed takeover of Stobart Air & CAX back in 2021 and the unhelpful comments that were made by the Leader of Cumbria Chamber of Commerce last year have all hindered the future prospects and I suspect that becoming an unlicensed airfield will further hamper Esken's efforts to find a suitable buyer for it; I'd be curious to know if this move will result in them being in breach of their lease agreement with the Council...?

Also, it's highly unlikely that Cumberland Council will be able or willing to do anything to keep it open as an airport, especially as they've recently announced a predicted budget overspend of more than £28m; I wonder if they might consider selling the freehold of the site and granting a change of use to a potential commercial/industrial or even residential developer in order to claw back some much needed finance.

Such a shame really
as I do believe that CAX does still have potential.
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Great video, very informative. Well done.
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A spokesperson from Esken, formerly known as Stobart Group Limited, said: "COVID sadly resulted in the cessation of passenger travel from Carlisle Lake District Airport in March 2020. Since that time, the aviation industry has continued to navigate challenges. The requirements to maintain a CAA licence in order to keep the optionality open to revisit commercial passenger flying at Carlisle Lake District Airport is not economically viable at present. As such, Carlisle Lake District Airport took the decision to self-revoke the CAA licence in June 2023,"
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/2...enger-licence/
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Old 17th Jan 2024, 06:34
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I cannot find any written evidence of a possible sale. I thought I heard a mention of a buyer on a radio news station.
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Originally Posted by N707ZS
I cannot find any written evidence of a possible sale. I thought I heard a mention of a buyer on a radio news station.
The Esken Website shows that Land at Widnes and Carlisle Airport were expected to be sold together and terms were under negotiation. Esken also state that all their non core Assets should be disposed of by 28 February which is the end of their financial year. Potential Purchaser not identified.
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Discussions still ongoing - I think they are hoping to sell the Widnes site at the same time, but don't think the sales are linked. Cumbria Local Enterprise Partnership still have a financial interest in the airport.
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Esken group aiming to sell Carlisle airport by end of February


https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/2...DgJpv90CqZ5ps4

I'm not a subscriber, so cant read any more than they hope to complete a sale by the end of next month.
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Formatting may not be up to scratch as it's a plain copy:

Carlisle Lake District Airport may be sold by the end of next month with talks currently 'underway'.
The aviation and renewables group, Esken, revealed in their interim report, published in November 2023, that the firm has a view of completing the transaction of the airport by the end of the group's financial year - at the end of February.
In the company's half-year results, executive chairman David Shearer said: "Discussions are underway on the remaining non-core assets at Widnes and Carlisle Lake District Airport, with a view to completing transactions to dispose of these assets before the end of our financial year.
"These transactions will not only generate cash to improve the groups' liquidity profile and support the wind-down of the group services, but also remove long-term lease liabilities from the balance sheet and allow a focus to be on the growth and sale of LSA (London Southend Airport)," he said.
Cumbria Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP) held a panel meeting in December and placed the airport on the agenda.
The LEP has been approached by Esken to meet potential purchasers, with details of the potential buyers also being shared amongst members at the meeting.
The LEP has a vested interest in the airport, having invested £4.95 million which was put towards the terminal and runway.
Sources have previously speculated that the estimated cost of the airport is around the '£15m mark', although it has not been confirmed.
The airport has been dormant since 2020.
In 2022, the firm, formerly known as Stobart Group Limited, said the 'short to medium' strategy was to get planes back in the air following the pandemic.
However the following year, the group reported financial concerns with a plan to exit from 'non-core assets' to help support remaining operations, which included the airport located seven miles east of Carlisle city centre.
In June last year, Esken also voluntarily revoked its commercial passenger licence due to it no longer being 'economically viable'.
"The licence can be reapplied for at any time when the landscape changes to make commercial passenger flying viable," an Esken spokesperson said at the time.
Despite the revocation of its licence for commercial flights, the airport remains open 'as a non-licensed aerodrome for general aviation and military manoeuvres', as well as for the nearby flying school.
The first commercial flight to take off from the newly opened runway was in 2019 - a Loganair service to Dublin, with around 30 passengers.
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Old 21st Jan 2024, 19:07
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
I think they are hoping to sell the Widnes site at the same time, but don't think the sales are linked.
I thought the Widnes site is linked to Esken Renewables, which was sold towards the end of last year...?!

The rumour I've heard is that it might be the Piatak family who are looking to buy CAX - they recently bought Carlisle United FC; Tom Piatak owns/runs a logistics firm, Magellan Transport Logistics, over in Jacksonville, FL, so perhaps he's considering expanding into the UK/European marketplace and looking to use CAX as a base for this...?!
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Old 21st Jan 2024, 19:15
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Somewhere to park his trucks? If he's thinking of aircraft, aren't there planning restrictions on a/c size?
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Well, turns out the rumours I heard are wrong as Tom Piatak is pretty conclusive here that it's not him - Carlisle United owner Tom Piatak on airport speculation | News and Star

This does of course beg the question...So, if it's not them [the Piatak's], who else might it be that Esken are supposedly in talks with to acquire the lease of the site...?!

https://businesscrack.co.uk/2024/01/...trict-airport/

I do hope that they [Esken] aren't *that* silly to attempt to suggest that they're in talks with a prospective buyer just to generate some interest/positivity when actually there isn't anyone as this would surely be a last gasp of desperation before the whole things implodes due to the impending legal action that is being brought against LSA by Carlyle Global Investment...?!
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Old 11th Feb 2024, 15:25
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UK2000 Scenery has released CAX for Microsoft Flight Simulator: UK2000 Scenery Releases Carlisle Airport for MSFS - FSElite

A very brief but nice view of the award-winning Solway Aviation Museum on the video contained within the article, although I'm not sure they've got a Chinnok on display though...lol.
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Old 13th Feb 2024, 15:32
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Typical that the local politician and business support group leader are attempting to jump on any positive news bandwagon about the airport, despite them (and the Council...!) not having done/said much at all to help with the situation over the past couple of years:

https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/2...ref=socialflow
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