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Old 29th Jul 2022, 10:21
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Charlie Geller, communications director at Esken, said: "The company’s short to medium term strategy is to get the airport operational again following the period of inactivity associated with the pandemic, which has had a significant impact on the UK’s aviation sector. Once operational with general aviation, we will explore opportunities including business jet, military and other general aviation. Building upon the strong logistics history of Esken and our freight operations at London Southend Airport, the company is additionally exploring opportunities to develop the airport as an air freight hub for a gateway to northern England and Scotland.
https://www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/2...port-revealed/
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 10:47
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At last some press coverage! Think we’ve heard most of it in some form or other over the years though!

Two points to note..mentions the success of a Southend Airport..mmm

and during the closure the airport has moved to a new site 5 miles north of Carlisle..they kept that quiet!
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 10:51
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Originally Posted by highwideandugly

and during the closure the airport has moved to a new site 5 miles north of Carlisle..they kept that quiet!
How do you know it isn't the city of Carlisle that's moved?

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Old 29th Jul 2022, 13:02
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Normal Sobart BS. Maybe the UKís worst airport operator that is still in full lockdown mode while the rest of the UK is heading to the airport.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 13:14
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Normal Sobart BS. Maybe the UKís worst airport operator that is still in full lockdown mode while the rest of the UK is heading to the airport.
Would opening CAX right now be more profitable (or less loss making), even if just for GA, compared to keeping it closed ?
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 14:44
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How many staff would you need to run it just for the shooting season.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 18:23
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Iíd love to have seen the figures for the Loganair ops of past. Pax, profits, outlays, subsidy etc, to see if any of the routes were vaguely worthwhile. I suppose must have been borderline at best or there may have been further efforts to restart.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 19:47
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The clue is that they have not returned. If they were profitable for the airline then they would not have been for the airport due to economies of scale. To make a profit to cover the extra cost of running a scheduled passenger operation, the extra staff required would need to stay busy and work up a sweat. Waving goodbye to a departure and then putting their feet up was always going to end in tears.
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 20:43
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The Dublin and Belfast flights were doing well. Southend not so much, but back then Carlisle had a reliable train service to London. Something which doesn't exist now
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 20:43
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Good grief! Comparing this to SEN which is sinking fast!
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Old 29th Jul 2022, 22:40
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It would depend also on how the operation was staffed on Stobartís side. If they had people in specifically for handling scheduled flights Iím sure it would have been unsustainable without much greater volume. If they were multi-tasking across the wider HQ and other airfield activities perhaps it was OK.

I suspect an issue isnít that the routes arenít attractive, because actually BHD and DUB seemed to do reasonably well, but that there isnít anyone suitable to operate them. Logan arenít a substantial operator at either and doing a W from other bases looks tricky. If they had a base at BHD or DUB it may be a different story.
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Old 30th Jul 2022, 04:10
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With no disrespect to SEN fans, running a schedule to and from London East Coast Airport was never going to maximise the appeal of the service when the hourly train service went into the heart of the Capital. The other problem was that Southend was London’s least connected airport for onward travel.
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Old 30th Jul 2022, 07:17
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LTN is correct - Carlisle is well connected by surface routes to Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Manchester, Birmingham all of which are very well connected

It has a small population and no major, international class, employer - not even a large University. If it was purposed like Gloucester it might have a future - otherwise a housing estate and distribution centre beckon
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Old 30th Jul 2022, 07:32
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Carlisle is well connected by surface routes to Glasgow, Edinburgh, Newcastle, Manchester, Birmingham
Depending upon your definition of "well connected" - relatively direct but distant (personally I love how the Newcastle-Carlisle train slows down to shoo the sheep off the track and the A69 is a source of constant personal joy...)

It has a small population and no major, international class, employer - not even a large University.
Love all the comments about housing estates - so where's the demand, any lack of available housing land?

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Old 30th Jul 2022, 09:49
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I understand why people want flights to their local airport but it isn't a Human Right

People see many advantages to living in and around Carlisle compared to being in Glasgow or Birmingham - but part of the price is you don't get the airline service
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Old 30th Jul 2022, 09:59
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Originally Posted by Asturias56
I understand why people want flights to their local airport but it isn't a Human Right

People see many advantages to living in and around Carlisle compared to being in Glasgow or Birmingham - but part of the price is you don't get the airline service
I agree - but that's a different arguement to saying you don't need airline links because all these other alternatives are easily available. The market is just too small.
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How many staff would you need to run it just for the shooting season.
If opening to operate unlicensed, one person with a ROCC in the Tower to provide AGCS and a couple of staff as duty crew to provide a nominal level of fire cover, assuming that the fire vehicle (s) hasnít already been disposed of, could work to provide Mon-Fri day cover. That assumes that staff with the required level of competence can be found locally. Doubt with the aerodrome operatorís track record that anyone is going to give up a current job and move to Carlisle!

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Old 30th Jul 2022, 10:25
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Originally Posted by TCAS FAN
If opening to operate unlicensed, one person with a ROCC in the Tower to provide AGCS and a couple of staff as duty crew to provide a nominal level of fire cover, assuming that the fire vehicle (s) hasnít already been disposed of, could work to provide Mon-Fri day cover. That assumes that staff with the required level of competence can be found locally. Doubt with the aerodrome operatorís track record that anyone is going to give up a current job and move to Carlisle!
When the SAAB's we operating out of CAX, there often seemed to be more staff on the apron than pax!
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Old 30th Jul 2022, 11:57
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The monthly pax figures for Carlisle never appeared on the CAA monthly statistics, so we shall never know
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Old 30th Jul 2022, 13:50
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Now why would that be?
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