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Old 13th Oct 2022, 09:28
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With what airlines now operating? non, Oil spill gone, there's no business case.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 10:21
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 10:27
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Price has just gone up again.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 10:48
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With what airlines now operating? non, Oil spill gone, there's no business case.
Local mayor says they have been talking to the airlines and operators and they would come back.

Dunno - shrugging my shoulders.

What will be will be.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 11:33
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We have also spoken to existing airline and commercial operators who use DSA who have said that they would remain if Peel reversed the closure.
But the airport was losing money when they were there.

There is also considerable interest from new airlines, freight and other aviation industries that would like to use and invest in the airport and would do if Peel would end this uncertainty and negotiate.
You wonder why they are only now showing an interest - airport has been there a while. Suppose the arguement will be that Peel didn't pursue or discouraged them
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 11:36
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Suppose the arguement will be that Peel didn't pursue or discouraged them
Not so much an argument as a factual statement.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 11:54
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Airlines now have contracts in place at other airports. How easy is it for them to scarp it and move back, along with messing customers around / rebooks. I believe its a dead duck.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 12:08
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Not so much an argument as a factual statement.
Could be - conversley, there are good deals to be struck when politics stick their reputations onto high profile projects.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 12:43
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Airlines now have contracts in place at other airports. How easy is it for them to scarp it and move back, along with messing customers around / rebooks. I believe its a dead duck.
I'm surprised its an option, but it sounds like communications are open. Perhaps there is some life support for this duck. We will see.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 14:27
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The final line there refers to Judicial Review (JR) of Peel's decision to close.

How does that work? JR is about administrative action by government or public authorities. Is a decision by a commercial operator to close a facility susceptible to JR?

IANAL but I cannot see how JR could be used to change the position.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 15:05
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The final line there refers to Judicial Review (JR) of Peel's decision to close.

How does that work? JR is about administrative action by government or public authorities. Is a decision by a commercial operator to close a facility susceptible to JR?

IANAL but I cannot see how JR could be used to change the position.
It looks very much as though this thread is going to take the same path as the Manston thread did when the plug was pulled there with eternal optimists continuing to clutch at straws. A shame, but that's the reality.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 15:17
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I think everyone knows it's the last chance saloon. And that chance is slim.

I agree with the comment on Judicial Review. She made herself look a little silly there.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
It looks very much as though this thread is going to take the same path as the Manston thread did when the plug was pulled there with eternal optimists continuing to clutch at straws. A shame, but that's the reality.
If you read what she said, she said they were prepared to instigate a compulsory purchase order. That doesn’t sound like an eternal optimist clutching at straws, especially if they have credible backers interested in the site for aviation.

Judicial Review, she mentions investigation of possibility of it. Presumably along the lines of the airport is potentially considered a ‘public body’ as its contracted to be available for NPAS/Coastguard Oil Spill and other 24/7/365 Govt requirements. Manston didn’t have those taskings.
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Presumably along the lines of the airport is potentially considered a ‘public body’ as its contracted to be available for NPAS/Coastguard Oil Spill and other 24/7/365 Govt requirements.
Would love to see the legal advice that came up with that!
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 16:09
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Would love to see the legal advice that came up with that!

Do keep up.

Read the bit where they’re investigating the possibility of seeing if a JR could be undertaken.

No legal advice given.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 16:15
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Read the bit where they’re investigating the possibility of seeing if a JR could be undertaken
And if the thought of a JR has crossed your mind, the first thing you would do is talk to a lawyer. And didn't Manston have a Coastguard base?
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If you read what she said, she said they were prepared to instigate a compulsory purchase order. That doesn’t sound like an eternal optimist clutching at straws, especially if they have credible backers interested in the site for aviation.

Judicial Review, she mentions investigation of possibility of it. Presumably along the lines of the airport is potentially considered a ‘public body’ as its contracted to be available for NPAS/Coastguard Oil Spill and other 24/7/365 Govt requirements. Manston didn’t have those taskings.
IF they are going to CP, they should just get on with it and agree a price now while it's open, before Peel has handed back the licenses stripped out the equipment and sacked all the skilled staff, and while they have these customers who say they will come back.
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Old 13th Oct 2022, 18:00
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IF they are going to CP, they should just get on with it and agree a price now while it's open, before Peel has handed back the licenses stripped out the equipment and sacked all the skilled staff, and while they have these customers who say they will come back.
While they’re still in talks, according to the mayor’s piece, I can’t see the benefit of starting the cpo. Who sets the price for an ‘thing’ subject to a cpo? And how is the price set? Anyone know?
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14. The overriding principle of compulsory purchase compensation is ‘equivalence’. This is the principle that people whose land is acquired compulsorily should be left neither better nor worse off financially as a result of their land being acquired – being entitled to compensation which is neither more nor less than the value of their loss.

Market value

24. The law specifies that the compensation to be paid where land is compulsorily acquired shall reflect what that land might be expected to realise if it were sold in the open market by a willing seller at the valuation date. In other words, compensation is based on the market value of the land which is to be acquired.

25. However, the assessment of compensation ignores any increase or decrease in value caused by the acquiring authority’s proposed scheme (e.g. regeneration project, new road, railway line etc) or the prospect of that scheme. This is known as the ‘no scheme principle’. The basic premise is that compensation should reflect what your land would be worth if the scheme to which the CPO relates did not exist (i.e. in the ‘no scheme world’).

26. The acquiring authority will normally appoint a chartered surveyor to undertake the estimate of the market value. You may appoint a surveyor to carry out your own assessment and to negotiate with the acquiring authority on your behalf.

Land with development potential

27. The market value of land may reflect what it is worth in its existing use (‘existing use value’). However, the market value of land may in some cases be affected by:
  • its development potential, taking account of:
    • existing planning permission(s) for an alternative use or development
    • the prospect of obtaining planning permission for an alternative use or development (‘hope value’)
  • its ability to unlock the development potential of an adjoining site by, for example, providing the only possible access to it (‘ransom value’)
  • the extent to which, if combined with one or more other land interests, it would be worth more than the sum of their individual values (‘marriage value’)


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    Old 13th Oct 2022, 22:16
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    Grrr

    CPO! Kerrrching! With that level of debt to purchase the airport, it'll never make a profit! Would require an act of parliament to purchase. How does that fit in with private investment? Local authorities would have to take out loans. Can of worms.
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