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Old 14th Oct 2022, 20:56
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Some interesting developments from the past couple of days.

Keith Moran has been in talks with the CAA asking them to hold off on removing the licenses after the last aircraft to depart.

David Grant from PEEL (Now AD), who has been put at DSA by PEEL is now using facebook to communicate with employee's across the airport about their futures. Highly unprofessional, and a large hammer blow for those who do not have any social media accounts.

Notwithstanding their readiness to engage with the parties revealed yesterday, with the information currently available, Peel's position has not changed since the announcement on Monday, 26th September. The Strategic Review's conclusion remains that there are no tangible proposals regarding the ownership of the Airport or which address the fundamental lack of financial viability. Therefor, the process will continue for DSA to begin winding down the provision of aviation services during the week begging Monday, 31st October 2022.

Further communication with DSA staff will, rightly, flow through the Consultation process and if circumstances change, I will ensure you are notified as soon as practically possible.

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Old 14th Oct 2022, 23:14
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Originally Posted by dsamole View Post
Some interesting developments from the past couple of days.

Keith Moran has been in talks with the CAA asking them to hold off on removing the licenses after the last aircraft to depart.

David Grant from PEEL (Now AD), who has been put at DSA by PEEL is now using facebook to communicate with employee's across the airport about their futures. Highly unprofessional, and a large hammer blow for those who do not have any social media accounts.
Is the above a verbatim quote from him on Facebook? If so, poor spelling and saying that the September announcement on a Monday was the 29th hardly adds credibility.
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Old 18th Oct 2022, 15:20
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From the mayor - talks with Peel and the proposed buyers will be taking place this week,
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And they'll ask him to pay a few million and he'll read the papers about forthcoming cuts to public spending..............
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Old 21st Oct 2022, 22:34
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ATC given their notices today.

PEEL continuing to tear it apart even whilst pretending to be interested in negotiations.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 09:40
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Apparently Swissport from other airports have been at DSA taking / reserving things for their airports..
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 11:29
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Originally Posted by dsamole View Post
ATC given their notices today.

PEEL continuing to tear it apart even whilst pretending to be interested in negotiations.
I guess this only affects the ATC staff on site. Doncaster Radar is serviced from a console at Liverpool.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 11:39
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Let's hope they can find jobs quickly.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 17:32
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"PEEL continuing to tear it apart even whilst pretending to be interested in negotiations."

They're being polite - everyone knows that - the Council aren't going to raise any money in the current climate to keep the place open.
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Old 22nd Oct 2022, 22:01
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I guess this only affects the ATC staff on site. Doncaster Radar is serviced from a console at Liverpool.
Correct, however LPL controllers who work for ATCSL (owned by PEEL) have been told their jobs are safe and they will be redistributed to other radar area's still based at LPL.

DSA controllers have been given notice and redundancy meetings start next week.
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 11:17
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Apparently Swissport from other airports have been at DSA taking / reserving things for their airports..
Does that include the freight lifter that came from MME, is it being returned?
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 14:14
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Does that include the freight lifter that came from MME, is it being returned?
Not unless there is some widebody flying…..so highly unlikely
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 16:19
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Can anyone enlighten me as to where the perishables freight operation has moved to? Doesn't appear to be EMA or BHX.
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 16:43
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[QUOTE=ATNotts;11318593]Can anyone enlighten me as to where the perishables freight operation has moved to? Doesn't appear to be EMA or BHX.[/QUOTE

Astral B744 TF-AMU due from Lagos 06.55 into EMA tomorrow morning which could be the new operation into EMA?
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Old 23rd Oct 2022, 16:53
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Can anyone enlighten me as to where the perishables freight operation has moved to? Doesn't appear to be EMA or BHX.[/QUOTE

Astral B744 TF-AMU due from Lagos 06.55 into EMA tomorrow morning which could be the new operation into EMA?
That's interesting, that must be the first flight then. Assume they must have gone elsewhere while putting the EMA operation in place. EMA is the best alternative to DSA assuming the produce is destined for markets in the Midlands and North.
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Since the operation ceased at DSA they have been going into LGG and being trucked across but the flight into EMA tomorrow is the first trial. Will be coming from NBO.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 10:53
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Since the operation ceased at DSA they have been going into LGG and being trucked across but the flight into EMA tomorrow is the first trial. Will be coming from NBO.
I can't imagine that flying UK destined for the UK into an EU airport, and one three hours by road from the channel crossing is ideal. With perishables time is everything, and not just from a quality standpoint. Arriving late at wholesale markets knocks the value of the products right back, and making the supply chain so long, given the potential for "sh1t to happen", such as road closures, strikes, blockages, weather etc ought to make it a very risky business. Utilising a UK airport would appear very much more preferable on all levels, not least as at some time in the next 15 months the UK government is going to start full checks of agri-food products arriving from the EU which just shoves another potential obstacle into the supply chain.

FR24 shows the origin point for the EMA flight as LOS rather than NBO, not sure why that would have been, given that most of the DSA flights, if I recall correctly came from NBO.

In an ideal world the business would return to DSA, but at the moment that seems as likely as Croydon reopening!
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 11:09
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I can't imagine that flying UK destined for the UK into an EU airport, and one three hours by road from the channel crossing is ideal. With perishables time is everything, and not just from a quality standpoint. Arriving late at wholesale markets knocks the value of the products right back, and making the supply chain so long, given the potential for "sh1t to happen", such as road closures, strikes, blockages, weather etc ought to make it a very risky business. Utilising a UK airport would appear very much more preferable on all levels, not least as at some time in the next 15 months the UK government is going to start full checks of agri-food products arriving from the EU which just shoves another potential obstacle into the supply chain.
Just a small percentage of the perishables arriving in the UK each week - no big deal.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 11:22
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Just a small percentage of the perishables arriving in the UK each week - no big deal.
Obviously I don't know what Magma / Chapman Freeborne are bringing in from Kenya, but the supermarket shelves would suggest stuff like green beans which don't have the same shelf life as say citrus or potatoes from Spain that as you quite correctly say come in by sea and Eurotunnel by the truck load. That said broccoli comes in OK by road from Spain. The problem for all this trucked stuff, including the former DSA business is just what happens when full import and port health checks are introduced at the likes of Dover and Portsmouth.
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Old 24th Oct 2022, 18:30
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Quite a lot of parliamentary time today. I'm fairly unhopeful that it will do any good.
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