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Old 11th Aug 2023, 11:48
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Originally Posted by pabely
Looking at the Wizzair booking engine, for the Luton > Tirana route which goes from x3 daily to x5 daily, the extra flights it says are operated by Wizz Air Malta ie W4 rather than W9. How does that work then?
Wizz Air Malta operate with a TIA based aircraft.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 12:05
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Originally Posted by Crewing Gimp
Wizz Air Malta operate with a TIA based aircraft.
But that cannot run a UK route aka the x5 daily cannot be run, stick with existing x3 daily with W9 aircraft.
Capacity restrictions at Luton & Gatwick holding back things. Place your bets for next W9 base, BHX?
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 13:10
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Originally Posted by pabely
But that cannot run a UK route aka the x5 daily cannot be run, stick with existing x3 daily with W9 aircraft.
Capacity restrictions at Luton & Gatwick holding back things. Place your bets for next W9 base, BHX?
1 x TIA ac and 1 x LTN ac….
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 13:46
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Originally Posted by pabely
But that cannot run a UK route aka the x5 daily cannot be run, stick with existing x3 daily with W9 aircraft.
Capacity restrictions at Luton & Gatwick holding back things. Place your bets for next W9 base, BHX?
Hope not, BHX needs airlines, not a right shower of charlatans!

If they want to set up at BHX nobody can stop them, but I don't think I would be offering incentives to them.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 13:56
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Hope not, BHX needs airlines, not a right shower of charlatans!
If they want to set up at BHX nobody can stop them, but I don't think I would be offering incentives to them.
In the 1990s... people thought Easyjet were a bunch of cowboys... some airport chose to encourage Easyjet (e.g. Liverpool) while others kept Easyjet at arms length until they realised it was too late. As far as I know, slots at Birmingham do not trade for the same kind of money as those at Heathrow, which suggests Birmingham has space. If Wizz can pay the airport fees and BHX can make a profit on the revenue associated with the flight (airport fees, car parking, retail sales, etc...), then BHX should grab the business.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 14:19
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people thought Easyjet were a bunch of cowboys
In the 90's people thought EZY had a business model that couldn't be sustained - I don't think ATN means that, it's not the business model, but the way it is being implemented...
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 14:33
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
In the 90's people thought EZY had a business model that couldn't be sustained - I don't think ATN means that, it's not the business model, but the way it is being implemented...
I imagine that ATNotts thinks that Wizzair are a bunch of money-grabbing b*st*rds who treat everyone like sh*t and are run by a small group of people solely out to make as much money as possible as fast as possible for themselves. That's exactly what I think of Wizzair.
My last flight with Wizz, about 2 weeks ago, arrived 2h50m late (so no EU261 compensation) landing at Luton at 4 am and my getting home at 5:45 am. Yes, I had to work the next day. Since then, I have booked plenty more flights with Wizzair. Mrs Johnson and I are currently looking at visiting Cairo and the Pyramids next year. Wizzair can be very cheap, and we get to see large areas of Europe, North Africa and West Asia with them.
I stand by my previous opinion on BHX and Wizzair - you can either be a stuffy old fart in life decrying things as not good enough and consequently doing nothing... or you can dive in to life and make the best of the (non-perfect) opportunities available.

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Old 11th Aug 2023, 14:41
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No problem with that, but your comparison to easyJet was poorly framed. I don't think EZY back in the 90's were regarded as "a bunch of cowboys" in the same way as Wizz are now.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 14:54
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
No problem with that, but your comparison to easyJet was poorly framed. I don't think EZY back in the 90's were regarded as "a bunch of cowboys" in the same way as Wizz are now.
Ryanair were definitely regarded as a bunch of cowboys and look at them today.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 15:31
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It would appear that Wizz's view of passenger legislation is at odds with the CAA's, and the manner in which they screwed over DSA and CWL would lead me to be very reluctant to incentivise Wizz to operate from any airport, unless they were desperate for business.

If they want to acquire slots and operate at the going rate that would be fine, but caveat emptor should apply when booking flights with Wizz. That of course applies to some extent for all airlines, tour operators etc.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 16:16
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Hope not, BHX needs airlines, not a right shower of charlatans!

If they want to set up at BHX nobody can stop them, but I don't think I would be offering incentives to them.
BHX is there to make money and like RYR, if they can generate an uptake of pax then they will be happy. Let's face it, they don't have the likes of BA fighting them off for slots because LHR is full.
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Wizz are the equivalent of a second hand dodgy car salesman. They take your money and when things go wrong they often walk away and then don’t comply with EU or U.K. laws. They also have a bad habit of ignoring CCJ’s.

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Old 11th Aug 2023, 16:45
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Originally Posted by LTNman
Wizz are the equivalent of a second hand dodgy car salesman. They take your money and when things go wrong they often walk away and then don’t comply with EU or U.K. laws and have a bad habit of ignoring CCJ’s
Same could have been said of Ryanair some years ago - there were plenty of horror stories such as people on a Sunday evening being told they had a choice of getting their £30 back or waiting 4 days for a flights home... and then having to hire a coach to drive them from an airport in southern France to Calais before catching a ferry.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 17:09
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Agreed, Ryanair has sort of become respectable as there is a new villain in town. Not surprised at all that Luton sees Wizz as their partner. I take the view that both sets of owners are shady.
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Originally Posted by 1sky
Ryanair were definitely regarded as a bunch of cowboys and look at them today.
Yep still a bunch of cowboys!
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 21:12
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Originally Posted by flybar
Yep still a bunch of cowboys!
Europe’s biggest airline, Europe’s most profitable airline … and gets positive consumer ratings these days. Things change.

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Old 11th Aug 2023, 21:37
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Originally Posted by 1sky
Europe’s biggest airline, Europe’s most profitable airline … and gets positive consumer ratings these days. Things change.
And you still have to fight for any payments you are due for delays.
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Old 11th Aug 2023, 21:37
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Originally Posted by 1sky
Europe’s biggest airline, Europe’s most profitable airline … and gets positive consumer ratings these days. Things change.
On one highly anecdotal and potentially specious metric (the number of people being charged money at the gate on Ryanair flights I'm flying on) either people have learned how to deal with them or they have indeed cut back on, as MOL put it, "unneccessarily pissing people off" (or both).
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9H-WBK has been used on W9 route from Luton to Tirana last few days, but G-WUKM has been laid up for 3 days so perhaps technically a sub for a sick plane.
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My Wizz Air flight from Warsaw to Liverpool was delayed by over 3 and a half hours on 9th July and I put a EU-261 claim the next day. The money was paid into my account 18 days later. I was quite impressed.
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