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Do Ryanair crews change aircraft at airports that they are not based at?
Just intrigued to know, for example, there is a Manchester based 737-MAX (EI-IGE) flying out to Malta this evening, but it looks like it then staying in Malta to perform some flights tomorrow, will the Manchester based crew stay in Malta overnight and come back tomorrow? Just wondering how this sort of thing works with Ryanair crews…
Just intrigued to know, for example, there is a Manchester based 737-MAX (EI-IGE) flying out to Malta this evening, but it looks like it then staying in Malta to perform some flights tomorrow, will the Manchester based crew stay in Malta overnight and come back tomorrow? Just wondering how this sort of thing works with Ryanair crews…
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Apologies. i messed up with the reply.
I think it’s a Malta based crew with the rotation originating in Malta. Flight arrived in Manchester this evening and then did an aircraft swap at Manchester for the return.
I think it’s a Malta based crew with the rotation originating in Malta. Flight arrived in Manchester this evening and then did an aircraft swap at Manchester for the return.
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Ryanair Fleet Replacement?
Of the 410 Boeing 737-800NG's in the Ryanair Group fleet, my understanding is that 154 of them have the Boeing Sky Interior (BSI), the oldest of which is just over 9.5 years old now.
Currently Ryanair Group still has 29 Boeing 737-8200's for delivery plus the 300 MAX10's they're hoping to start getting from 2027 until 2034 (it's anyone's guess as to how realistic that is).
Theorectically, if Ryanair were to get rid of the A320 Lauda fleet plus all of the Boeing 737-800NG's without BSI with all the current orders fulfilled by then, my calcultation is that would take the total group fleet from 624 currently to 654 by 2034. That seems fairly modest still for Ryanair albeit 300 aircraft in theory would be larger MAX10 aircraft, so the seat capacity growth would be much higher. Bear in mind also by then, even the first NG's with BSI will be 18-19 years old, so wouldn't seem an unrealistic threshold for older aircraft to be retired.
Aircraft delivery delays are of course meaning most airlines are having to hold onto older aircraft for much longer than they'd like to. But Ryanair, even with their significant order book, doesn't as yet seem to deliver an awful lot of scope for fleet replacement. Of course Ryanair could make an entirely new order to help replace older frames, but how realistically could Boeing deliver that along with existing orders? Ryanair will no doubt be hedging their bets also on other airlines cancelleing orders which they would want to take, but without that, I think we could still be seeing NGs in the Ryanair fleet probably well into the 2040s!
Currently Ryanair Group still has 29 Boeing 737-8200's for delivery plus the 300 MAX10's they're hoping to start getting from 2027 until 2034 (it's anyone's guess as to how realistic that is).
Theorectically, if Ryanair were to get rid of the A320 Lauda fleet plus all of the Boeing 737-800NG's without BSI with all the current orders fulfilled by then, my calcultation is that would take the total group fleet from 624 currently to 654 by 2034. That seems fairly modest still for Ryanair albeit 300 aircraft in theory would be larger MAX10 aircraft, so the seat capacity growth would be much higher. Bear in mind also by then, even the first NG's with BSI will be 18-19 years old, so wouldn't seem an unrealistic threshold for older aircraft to be retired.
Aircraft delivery delays are of course meaning most airlines are having to hold onto older aircraft for much longer than they'd like to. But Ryanair, even with their significant order book, doesn't as yet seem to deliver an awful lot of scope for fleet replacement. Of course Ryanair could make an entirely new order to help replace older frames, but how realistically could Boeing deliver that along with existing orders? Ryanair will no doubt be hedging their bets also on other airlines cancelleing orders which they would want to take, but without that, I think we could still be seeing NGs in the Ryanair fleet probably well into the 2040s!
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Of the 410 Boeing 737-800NG's in the Ryanair Group fleet, my understanding is that 154 of them have the Boeing Sky Interior (BSI), the oldest of which is just over 9.5 years old now.
Currently Ryanair Group still has 29 Boeing 737-8200's for delivery plus the 300 MAX10's they're hoping to start getting from 2027 until 2034 (it's anyone's guess as to how realistic that is).
Theorectically, if Ryanair were to get rid of the A320 Lauda fleet plus all of the Boeing 737-800NG's without BSI with all the current orders fulfilled by then, my calcultation is that would take the total group fleet from 624 currently to 654 by 2034. That seems fairly modest still for Ryanair albeit 300 aircraft in theory would be larger MAX10 aircraft, so the seat capacity growth would be much higher. Bear in mind also by then, even the first NG's with BSI will be 18-19 years old, so wouldn't seem an unrealistic threshold for older aircraft to be retired.
Aircraft delivery delays are of course meaning most airlines are having to hold onto older aircraft for much longer than they'd like to. But Ryanair, even with their significant order book, doesn't as yet seem to deliver an awful lot of scope for fleet replacement. Of course Ryanair could make an entirely new order to help replace older frames, but how realistically could Boeing deliver that along with existing orders? Ryanair will no doubt be hedging their bets also on other airlines cancelleing orders which they would want to take, but without that, I think we could still be seeing NGs in the Ryanair fleet probably well into the 2040s!
Currently Ryanair Group still has 29 Boeing 737-8200's for delivery plus the 300 MAX10's they're hoping to start getting from 2027 until 2034 (it's anyone's guess as to how realistic that is).
Theorectically, if Ryanair were to get rid of the A320 Lauda fleet plus all of the Boeing 737-800NG's without BSI with all the current orders fulfilled by then, my calcultation is that would take the total group fleet from 624 currently to 654 by 2034. That seems fairly modest still for Ryanair albeit 300 aircraft in theory would be larger MAX10 aircraft, so the seat capacity growth would be much higher. Bear in mind also by then, even the first NG's with BSI will be 18-19 years old, so wouldn't seem an unrealistic threshold for older aircraft to be retired.
Aircraft delivery delays are of course meaning most airlines are having to hold onto older aircraft for much longer than they'd like to. But Ryanair, even with their significant order book, doesn't as yet seem to deliver an awful lot of scope for fleet replacement. Of course Ryanair could make an entirely new order to help replace older frames, but how realistically could Boeing deliver that along with existing orders? Ryanair will no doubt be hedging their bets also on other airlines cancelleing orders which they would want to take, but without that, I think we could still be seeing NGs in the Ryanair fleet probably well into the 2040s!
All A320's will gone even earlier, but that's no surprise I guess.
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Finally Ryanair react https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...s-to-4-0m-p-a/
Have they left it late as Wizzair control the market already?
Have they left it late as Wizzair control the market already?
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Finally Ryanair react https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...s-to-4-0m-p-a/
Have they left it late as Wizzair control the market already?
Have they left it late as Wizzair control the market already?
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I've raised this on the BHX thread as I'm confused....the timings indicate a BHX based aircraft. It can't be a W pattern as the inbound from.TIA doesn't land into BHX until 22.50 (on both days of operation), unless they are going into the night flight market.....
So as you correctly point out, this will (as the timings stand and assuming TIA-BHX is it's last flight of the day) have to be a RUK aircraft. Which means they must be basing a RUK aircraft at BHX next summer and we will see FR relaunch AGA and RAK (both of which had very high load factors of course yield I have no idea about)
An Albanian subsidiary might also be a solution but what would that aircraft and crew do after landing into BHX at 22.50?
Personally I think we will see re timings on this route and it become a W (eg MAN-TIA-BHX-TIA-MAN) or the timings stay the same and we see RUK arriving at BHX 👍
So as you correctly point out, this will (as the timings stand and assuming TIA-BHX is it's last flight of the day) have to be a RUK aircraft. Which means they must be basing a RUK aircraft at BHX next summer and we will see FR relaunch AGA and RAK (both of which had very high load factors of course yield I have no idea about)
An Albanian subsidiary might also be a solution but what would that aircraft and crew do after landing into BHX at 22.50?
Personally I think we will see re timings on this route and it become a W (eg MAN-TIA-BHX-TIA-MAN) or the timings stay the same and we see RUK arriving at BHX 👍
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“Personally I think we will see re timings on this route and it become a W (eg MAN-TIA-BHX-TIA-MAN)”
Unless Ryanair plan a radical change of business model I can’t see this at all. The duty period would too long for a single crew to complete and would rely on a crew positioning via road between BHX and MAN, or nightstopping at one of those airports. The only doable W pattern I can envisage would be if FR decided to complete with EZY on the BFS route and do BFS-BHX-TIA-BHX-BFS. More likely RUK aircraft being based in BHX from summer 2026.
Unless Ryanair plan a radical change of business model I can’t see this at all. The duty period would too long for a single crew to complete and would rely on a crew positioning via road between BHX and MAN, or nightstopping at one of those airports. The only doable W pattern I can envisage would be if FR decided to complete with EZY on the BFS route and do BFS-BHX-TIA-BHX-BFS. More likely RUK aircraft being based in BHX from summer 2026.
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One final example, representing the heights of dishonesty and poor taste, is the statistical method used by Ryanair in its press conference today to distort the real figures and make its message more provocative. The number of slots for the winter season formally requested by Ryanair, as recorded in the official databases (i.e. its schedule), is significantly higher than the figures reported by Ryanair in its press conference today. Ryanair urgently needs to clarify this quantitative discrepancy.
