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From: UK
I have flown 4 Ryanair flights within the last month, each delayed due to ATC restrictions! Not the airlines fault of course, but so frustrating from a passenger perspective when you have booked onward public transport in the form trains or pre booked Uber!
On each flight I witnessed so many passengers getting up to get something from their hand luggage in the overhead locker or to use the toilet even with the seatbelt sign still on! Cabin crew repeated attempts over the PA requesting they return to their seats and fasten seat belts sometimes fell on deaf ears! I noticed this happens most of the time once the cabin crew are moving around, roughly about 5 mins or so after take off.
I think Ryanair need to adopt an announcement like Easyjet have, when a few minutes after take off, the purser announces something along the lines of "Very shortly, the cabin crew will be released from their seats, please continue to observe the fasten seatbelt sign until the captain has switched it off".
And then upon landing on Easyjet, I heard the pre-recorded announcement "shortly the cabin crew will be released to perform safety related duties, please continue observe the fasten seatbelt sign until the captain has switched it off".
I think some passengers are just plain stupid, inpatient or ignorant?! Anyway, regardless of the reason(s), something needs to change! This is a safety issue, as some of the flights I was on, encountered moderate turbulence and given some of the instances of passenger and crew injures earlier this year due to inflight turbulence (although I know this is unlikely, but not impossible) it really needs to be addressed more strictly in my opinion, maybe with an announcement by the captain with the threat of diversion if passengers don't follow the rules from the cabin crew!
Although I have witnessed worse, when flying in eastern Europe when cabin crew completely missed some passengers who didn't even have their seatbelts fastened for landing! Don't know if this is a cultural thing or not, but the majority of my flights taken place in northern and western Europe and in my recent cases where between UK, France and Greece with UK based crew where I find safety is taking that bit more seriously.
On each flight I witnessed so many passengers getting up to get something from their hand luggage in the overhead locker or to use the toilet even with the seatbelt sign still on! Cabin crew repeated attempts over the PA requesting they return to their seats and fasten seat belts sometimes fell on deaf ears! I noticed this happens most of the time once the cabin crew are moving around, roughly about 5 mins or so after take off.
I think Ryanair need to adopt an announcement like Easyjet have, when a few minutes after take off, the purser announces something along the lines of "Very shortly, the cabin crew will be released from their seats, please continue to observe the fasten seatbelt sign until the captain has switched it off".
And then upon landing on Easyjet, I heard the pre-recorded announcement "shortly the cabin crew will be released to perform safety related duties, please continue observe the fasten seatbelt sign until the captain has switched it off".
I think some passengers are just plain stupid, inpatient or ignorant?! Anyway, regardless of the reason(s), something needs to change! This is a safety issue, as some of the flights I was on, encountered moderate turbulence and given some of the instances of passenger and crew injures earlier this year due to inflight turbulence (although I know this is unlikely, but not impossible) it really needs to be addressed more strictly in my opinion, maybe with an announcement by the captain with the threat of diversion if passengers don't follow the rules from the cabin crew!
Although I have witnessed worse, when flying in eastern Europe when cabin crew completely missed some passengers who didn't even have their seatbelts fastened for landing! Don't know if this is a cultural thing or not, but the majority of my flights taken place in northern and western Europe and in my recent cases where between UK, France and Greece with UK based crew where I find safety is taking that bit more seriously.
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From: Aylesbury
Was on a Lauda Europe flight out of PMI not long ago where the seatbelt sign was left on for an additional half hour or so after departure, presumably due to a risk of turbulence. The number of pax who completely disregarded this and stood up to use the lavatories was astonishing. Eventually the crew gave up on trying to enforce it.
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MANFAN,
What you're describing is modern human behaviour!
Never mind, if an incident happens, such as unforeseen turbulence they are confident they can take legal action for compensation! The passenger, rather like the patient or parents know better than those with superior knowledge and experience in fields they have been trained in.
What you're describing is modern human behaviour!
Never mind, if an incident happens, such as unforeseen turbulence they are confident they can take legal action for compensation! The passenger, rather like the patient or parents know better than those with superior knowledge and experience in fields they have been trained in.
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From: Essex
[QUOTE] I think Ryanair need to adopt an announcement like Easyjet have, when a few minutes after take off, the purser announces something along the lines of "Very shortly, the cabin crew will be released from their seats, please continue to observe the fasten seatbelt sign until the captain has switched it off". [/QUOTE]
They already do consistently by crew announcement as soon as they're released from their seats. It's also enforced in the safety demo and on the seat-back safety instructions that quite honestly, very few people will actually look at despite it being plastered right in front of your face. Equally if anybody does stand up with the seatbelt signs on, especially around taxi, takeoff or landing they'll instruct them to return to their seats. Other than physical enforcement what else can they really do? If anybody causes a fuss or refuses to comply then that's going towards disruptive behavior territory and there's a whole different protocol for that.
Saying that I've definitely observed a behavior by Ryanair crew to keep the seatbelt signs on during trolley service, which I feel is nothing more than a deterrent to people getting up and using the toilet whilst the trolley is in the aisle, rather than for any particular safety reason.
They already do consistently by crew announcement as soon as they're released from their seats. It's also enforced in the safety demo and on the seat-back safety instructions that quite honestly, very few people will actually look at despite it being plastered right in front of your face. Equally if anybody does stand up with the seatbelt signs on, especially around taxi, takeoff or landing they'll instruct them to return to their seats. Other than physical enforcement what else can they really do? If anybody causes a fuss or refuses to comply then that's going towards disruptive behavior territory and there's a whole different protocol for that.
Saying that I've definitely observed a behavior by Ryanair crew to keep the seatbelt signs on during trolley service, which I feel is nothing more than a deterrent to people getting up and using the toilet whilst the trolley is in the aisle, rather than for any particular safety reason.
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Something I've been observing over the past few years in the changes to Ryanair schedules. S25 is still a way off, and undoubtedly they'll be further changes to what's on sale currently, but so far the quality of the schedule looks better than it has the past few years. Principally many routes operating only 3 or 4 days a week are returning to a more traditional alternate days of operations (ie Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun) as opposed to a more random scheduling of say Mon, Tue, Wed, Sat. There's still exceptions but it's generally better so far.
It's still a way off what they had in 2019 however when they had what you could clearly see was a very well structured schedule. At STN, most of the key cities ie BCN, BUD, CPH, DUB, MAD, MXP, PRG would consistenly have non-based turns for the first wave to allow for early morning arrivals into London, and equally an evening wave that would depart around 19:00-20:00 to suit those passengers after a days work or pleasure in the capital. This also made UK based European city-break travel more attractive timings and takes advantage of the time difference on the continent. This seems to have gone out the window a bit where you might get these only on odd days of the week, and you now might get a Dubrovnik or Santiago Spain coming in on a 7am arrival which are not generally as preferable for those kind of destinations.
Granted the demographics of business travel has changed since Covid and they utilise their fleet differently, but this still seems a lost opportunity to me of what they previously did, and could still achieve, very well.
It's still a way off what they had in 2019 however when they had what you could clearly see was a very well structured schedule. At STN, most of the key cities ie BCN, BUD, CPH, DUB, MAD, MXP, PRG would consistenly have non-based turns for the first wave to allow for early morning arrivals into London, and equally an evening wave that would depart around 19:00-20:00 to suit those passengers after a days work or pleasure in the capital. This also made UK based European city-break travel more attractive timings and takes advantage of the time difference on the continent. This seems to have gone out the window a bit where you might get these only on odd days of the week, and you now might get a Dubrovnik or Santiago Spain coming in on a 7am arrival which are not generally as preferable for those kind of destinations.
Granted the demographics of business travel has changed since Covid and they utilise their fleet differently, but this still seems a lost opportunity to me of what they previously did, and could still achieve, very well.
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Looking at some flights in February and Ryanair are showing ‘operated by Ryanair Sun’. I thought that brand was replaced by Buzz quite a few years ago? Or have I missed something?
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From: Aylesbury
Use of the Buzz brand isn't permitted by the Hungarian authorities because of a legal challenge by Wizz (not sure if this was ever settled), so the Ryanair Sun name has to be used on flights to and from Hungarian airports. Hence why the company is still Ryanair Sun SA and was never renamed. I think the name is also used on flights for the likes of TUI, in place of Buzz, though I couldn't say why.
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From: St Albans
Something I've been observing over the past few years in the changes to Ryanair schedules. S25 is still a way off, and undoubtedly they'll be further changes to what's on sale currently, but so far the quality of the schedule looks better than it has the past few years. Principally many routes operating only 3 or 4 days a week are returning to a more traditional alternate days of operations (ie Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun) as opposed to a more random scheduling of say Mon, Tue, Wed, Sat. There's still exceptions but it's generally better so far.
It's still a way off what they had in 2019 however when they had what you could clearly see was a very well structured schedule. At STN, most of the key cities ie BCN, BUD, CPH, DUB, MAD, MXP, PRG would consistenly have non-based turns for the first wave to allow for early morning arrivals into London, and equally an evening wave that would depart around 19:00-20:00 to suit those passengers after a days work or pleasure in the capital. This also made UK based European city-break travel more attractive timings and takes advantage of the time difference on the continent. This seems to have gone out the window a bit where you might get these only on odd days of the week, and you now might get a Dubrovnik or Santiago Spain coming in on a 7am arrival which are not generally as preferable for those kind of destinations.
Granted the demographics of business travel has changed since Covid and they utilise their fleet differently, but this still seems a lost opportunity to me of what they previously did, and could still achieve, very well.
It's still a way off what they had in 2019 however when they had what you could clearly see was a very well structured schedule. At STN, most of the key cities ie BCN, BUD, CPH, DUB, MAD, MXP, PRG would consistenly have non-based turns for the first wave to allow for early morning arrivals into London, and equally an evening wave that would depart around 19:00-20:00 to suit those passengers after a days work or pleasure in the capital. This also made UK based European city-break travel more attractive timings and takes advantage of the time difference on the continent. This seems to have gone out the window a bit where you might get these only on odd days of the week, and you now might get a Dubrovnik or Santiago Spain coming in on a 7am arrival which are not generally as preferable for those kind of destinations.
Granted the demographics of business travel has changed since Covid and they utilise their fleet differently, but this still seems a lost opportunity to me of what they previously did, and could still achieve, very well.
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From: Northumberland
He would say that, wouldn't he?
https://corporate.ryanair.com/news/r...-tax-increase/
Ryanair will now review its UK schedules and expects to cut capacity to/from UK airports by up to 10% in 2025. This will reduce air travel to/from the UK by up to 5m passengers as the Labour Govt’s budget delivers higher taxes and tourism declines not growth.”
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I’m sure Boeing will be relieved. Until this week the cuts to Ryanair capacity next year were all Boeing’s fault.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ys-2024-10-16/
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