Loganair-3

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Yes - just reinforcing the point.



...and never picked up since.

Although Zurich was never operated from Southampton by any other carrier than BACON your incorrect in regards to Frankfurt and Milan as both destinations were later flown by "or picked up, in your words" by Flybe.

Yes - just reinforcing the point 👉

[SWBKCB]

Apologies, Should have said "No longer operate". I know there's a list on one of the threads of all the routes dropped from SOU and when, should have checked.

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Apologies, Should have said "No longer operate". I know there's a list on one of the threads of all the routes dropped from SOU and when, should have checked.

If I remember correctly I actually wrote that particular list.

But apologies accepted from you which im sure your agree with is a first.

[virginblue]

Didn't Loganair explicitly state that they are done with international routes to the continent for good after they burned quite a bit of money on the routes they tried? Maybe the odd Scandinavian route, but otherwise my take is that they will concentrate on the British Isles in the future (whatever that means in the airline business).

[SotonFlightpath]

Originally Posted by virginblue

Didn't Loganair explicitly state that they are done with international routes to the continent for good after they burned quite a bit of money on the routes they tried? Maybe the odd Scandinavian route, but otherwise my take is that they will concentrate on the British Isles in the future (whatever that means in the airline business).

On reflection that’s probably a good decision, they are obviously operating reasonably successfully serving smaller airports and communities where the larger mainstream carriers feel there isn’t sufficient business to deploy their larger resources.

Perhaps one should think of Loganair as being the UK equivalent of Norway’s Widerøe?

[Albert Hall]

Originally Posted by virginblue

Didn't Loganair explicitly state that they are done with international routes to the continent for good after they burned quite a bit of money on the routes they tried? Maybe the odd Scandinavian route, but otherwise my take is that they will concentrate on the British Isles in the future (whatever that means in the airline business).

I seem to recall something along those lines, with Germany singled out for particular mention. It looks as though Scandinavia works - probably because of a lesser level of both direct and indirect competition and higher fares - but anything to continental Europe is/was off limits.

Back in the day of sizeable European non-stop services from Southampton, you didn't have this large low-fare operation called easyJet up the road at Gatwick. I'm not sure those type of services would work at SOU nowadays - you need high yields and your ability to get those with sufficient volumes to achieve a respectable loadfactor too is probably a stretch. Moot point though, really.

[Diff Tail Shim]

Originally Posted by virginblue

Didn't Loganair explicitly state that they are done with international routes to the continent for good after they burned quite a bit of money on the routes they tried? Maybe the odd Scandinavian route, but otherwise my take is that they will concentrate on the British Isles in the future (whatever that means in the airline business).

Never did international routes pre pandemic bar Oil and Gas. BMIR did. They went bust.

[ld0595]

Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim

Never did international routes pre pandemic bar Oil and Gas. BMIR did. They went bust.

They did Glasgow - Dusseldorf in 2019 after Eurowings pulled out. Google suggests they also did Edinburgh to Hannover for a while.
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[Diff Tail Shim]

Originally Posted by ld0595

They did Glasgow - Dusseldorf in 2019 after Eurowings pulled out. Google suggests they also did Edinburgh to Hannover for a while.
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Routes killed by Brexit.

[Saabdriver1]

Glasgow-Dusseldorf ex Eurowings and Newcastle-Brussels and a short lived run on EMA-Brussels ex BMIR were all flown. I don't think EDI-Hannover ever got launched but can't remember if that was Brexit or Covid (or both).

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by Saabdriver1

Glasgow-Dusseldorf ex Eurowings and Newcastle-Brussels and a short lived run on EMA-Brussels ex BMIR were all flown. I don't think EDI-Hannover ever got launched but can't remember if that was Brexit or Covid (or both).

Covid

[Diff Tail Shim]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

Covid

And never considered viable to return. Covid just accelerated the effects of Brexit.

[Markushillman]

Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim

And never considered viable to return. Covid just accelerated the effects of Brexit.

Yeh possibly, and not to get into a political debate, but with Aviation out of the UK booming again post Covid, I think to keep blaming brexit now is a bit wrong.

[Diff Tail Shim]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

Yeh possibly, and not to get into a political debate, but with Aviation out of the UK booming again post Covid, I think to keep blaming brexit now is a bit wrong.

Whom wants to fly to Brussels? We will see if CAA figures for 2023 are on a par with 2019. The economy decides air travel accurately. I do know the B word cost Logan a lot of money and time to sort out the regulatory mess.

[Markushillman]

Credit goes to @SeanM1997 on X

But quoted from him below

Quote:
Loganair are trimming many frequencies in Summer 2024 with Aberdeen-Oslo cut completely and reductions to Aberdeen-Manchester, Edinburgh-Exeter, Edinburgh-Southampton, Glasgow-Derry & Glasgow-Southampton among others

[VickersVicount]

watch EZY trim back their competing routes now to eg Bournemouth and Southampton

[SealinkBF]

Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim

And never considered viable to return. Covid just accelerated the effects of Brexit.

Going off topic but I believe COVID was an excuse for Brexit complications

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim

Whom wants to fly to Brussels? We will see if CAA figures for 2023 are on a par with 2019. The economy decides air travel accurately. I do know the B word cost Logan a lot of money and time to sort out the regulatory mess.

That's intetesting, can you expand a bit? Was it an additional expense in the move to ATRs?

[Sotonsean]

Originally Posted by VickersVicount

watch EZY trim back their competing routes now to eg Bournemouth and Southampton

Why?

Easyjet operates from Glasgow to Southampton, the airlines only Scottish flight to the south coast Airport.

Easyjet doesn't fly any domestic flights to Bournemouth let alone any from Scotland.

[cuthere]

Originally Posted by Markushillman

Credit goes to @SeanM1997 on X

But quoted from him below

Quote:
Loganair are trimming many frequencies in Summer 2024 with Aberdeen-Oslo cut completely and reductions to Aberdeen-Manchester, Edinburgh-Exeter, Edinburgh-Southampton, Glasgow-Derry & Glasgow-Southampton among others

But increasing LDY-LHR by 7x week in each direction for summer. Any idea where the slots have come from?