Birmingham-8

[chinapattern]

Athens

Whilst disappointing to lose Aegean at least Jet2 will be offering Athens next winter. I thought having a daytime flight might have worked in their favour this time, I’d always imagined the numbers connecting from the night flight would have been pretty low as Jet2 and TUI have all the popular Greek island pretty much covered.

[Mcvicker03]

Ryanair

Summary of Changes

Malaga added a extra flight on the Saturday in august

Alicante also added an extra flight on Sundays in august

Milan added an extra flight on Fridays in august

Paris goes 4>7 weekly

Bydgoszcz now on sale at 2 weekly

Faro added an extra flights on Mondays in august

Girona added an extra flight on Tuesdays in August

Reus has added 2 extra flights in august

Ibiza extra flight added in august

Fuerteventura 1 extra flight added in august

Krakow 5th added flight for the summer

Madrid 3rd flight added in august

Murcia 3rd flight added in august

Majorca 1 extra flight on Friday and Sunday in august

Rhodes 1 extra flight added on Mondays and Thursdays in august

Shannon 3rd flight added in august

Warsaw Modlin 3 weekly added for summer

[OltonPete]

Ryanair Summer 224

Originally Posted by Mcvicker03

Summary of Changes

Malaga added a extra flight on the Saturday in august

Alicante also added an extra flight on Sundays in august

Milan added an extra flight on Fridays in august

Paris goes 4>7 weekly

Bydgoszcz now on sale at 2 weekly

Faro added an extra flights on Mondays in august

Girona added an extra flight on Tuesdays in August

Reus has added 2 extra flights in august

Ibiza extra flight added in august

Fuerteventura 1 extra flight added in august

Krakow 5th added flight for the summer

Madrid 3rd flight added in august

Murcia 3rd flight added in august

Majorca 1 extra flight on Friday and Sunday in august

Rhodes 1 extra flight added on Mondays and Thursdays in august

Shannon 3rd flight added in august

Warsaw Modlin 3 weekly added for summer

The only caveat I would add is that some of the flights are only an increase on the previous release and in fact are a net loss on the original release as many were due to start in April and I presume aircraft deliveries thwarted them..

Fuerteventura was twice per week from April all summer so a net loss on the original release (same happened last summer) so it goes from 4 per week to weekly at Easter.

Alicante, Malaga Palma and Barcelona all operated every day from April but Sunday Alicante and Palma (April only) were removed, Thursday Malaga starts July rather than April, Barcelona on a Friday has been removed all season and was April

Shannon was 3 per week from April so is a net loss over the summer

Dublin has been savaged only 5 per day Saturday and Monday until June with Tuesday and Friday were once released at 6 per day. Sunday which is now 4 all summer and you would have go back years to find a frequency so low on a Sunday (COVID excepted of course)

Rhodes was 3 per week from either April or May and is now August

Gerona Reus and Ibiza were also higher frequencies April-July originally

Tirana was finally fully released this week

Pete

[GayFriendly]

Wizz

After a lot of positive news for routes and airlines at BHX for S24, some less good news. In addition to the withdrawal of Aegean, Wizz now making significant cutbacks. Krakow, Warsaw and Wroclaw all finish end of March, leaving just 4 routes from BHX. Cuts by Wizz at LBA as well but not LPL.

Reports/rumours that Wizz are in trouble if they are I guess they're having to chop out any routes that don't make money

[ATNotts]

GF,

I guess the other issue for Wizz may be diminishing demand for Polish flights as the effects of Brexit continue to unwind and so there are too many seats in the market driving revenue down.

Generally I reckon (with absolutely no inside knowledge) that theres a degree of bravado within the airlines and tour operators for S24. The higher cost of mortgage, rents and energy has to make spare cash for holidays squeezed. We are close to that time of year when IT consolidation used to take place in weak years and it wouldn't in the least surprise me if there were some capacity cuts, certainly early season. Not particularly BHX but more generally.

Hope I am wrong!

[pabely]

Originally Posted by GayFriendly

Reports/rumours that Wizz are in trouble if they are I guess they're having to chop out any routes that don't make money

You wouldn't stay in business long if you don't chase where better money is.
​​​​Remember things in EU are not great at the moment.
Ryanair chop & change routes frequently all the time. Pubicly due to Max delivery shortage.
​​Wizzair still having issues with engines.
I see long term future for them, Birmingham is hardly a strategic destination for them.

[MARK 101]

Given that Ryanair have increased frequency on those routes ,it seems Wizz are avoiding a price war and leaving FR to pick up the Polish flights. Cant remember which day it is but there are 3 Krakow flights within 2 hours including Jet2 so cant imagine anyone is making much money. Whilst it keeps enthusiasts happy with variety , at least BHX is not actually losing any routes which is the main thing

[BHX5DME]

Originally Posted by MARK 101

Given that Ryanair have increased frequency on those routes ,it seems Wizz are avoiding a price war and leaving FR to pick up the Polish flights. Cant remember which day it is but there are 3 Krakow flights within 2 hours including Jet2 so cant imagine anyone is making much money. Whilst it keeps enthusiasts happy with variety , at least BHX is not actually losing any routes which is the main thing

Wroclaw is not served by anyone else !

[Mcvicker03]

Hi guys.
firstly wizz air have Removed Cluj Napoca from sale for summer 2024.

secondly.Has anyone used this website.I need to know if it’s legit and how long it takes for a delivery to come to ur door.
https://www.aircraftmodelstore.co.uk/snap-fit/?page=2

[BA318]

Originally Posted by Mcvicker03

Hi guys.
firstly wizz air have Removed Cluj Napoca from sale for summer 2024.

secondly.Has anyone used this website.I need to know if it’s legit and how long it takes for a delivery to come to ur door.
https://www.aircraftmodelstore.co.uk/snap-fit/?page=2

It’s legit. Delivery varies. Price-wise it’s usually more expensive than most other places.

[insuindi]

Brussels

There are currently no summer 2024 flights on sale for BRU-BHX ( ? / ! ).

[jmdavies86]

Originally Posted by insuindi

There are currently no summer 2024 flights on sale for BRU-BHX ( ? / ! ).

Post by '@tofly_totravel' on X appears to suggest that Brussels Airlines have pulled their flights for Summer 2024:

Twitter

I wonder whether easyJet might look at offering BHX-BRU as they're establishing a base at BHX.

[OltonPete]

Brussels

Originally Posted by insuindi

There are currently no summer 2024 flights on sale for BRU-BHX ( ? / ! ).

Correct, reading between the lines the 319 can be put to better use elsewhere although they say they will be back in winter but I wouldn't be putting any money on that horse . Ryanair Charleroi eventually is a better bet in my opinion.

They had a good solution last Summer which clearly either didn't work or isn't available next summer as no deal with Cityjet. The double daily CRJ9/CRK mix was the idea size and post COVID/BREXIT the 319 (fleet shrinking) was a difficult one to make money money especially when it could be used on sun routes. At times is has been one daily and next summer was originally listed as 5 per week which you can get away with P2P but not really for connections.

I assume Cityjet are now all taken up with SAS although BHX's Copenhagen service is moving the 195 in the week for parts of summer and Autumn.

Load factor in November was 66% as A319's and 74% in August as the CRK, 72% July and 78% June all Cityjet and 67% in April when the 319. September 2023 was telling month 6803 down from September 2022 9161, October 23 6901 compared to October 22 7911.

Nothing really earth shattering here and I would be more concerned with the loss of SAS and Swiss. The former changing alliances has not recovered at BHX to pre COVID frequencies but are adding the 195 and the latter very similar but are back at 8 per week (12 pw max pre Covid). Zurich I doubt will get competition but Copenhagen might and that could have a profound effect on the SAS service.

Pete

[jmdavies86]

One of the comments on the X post that I linked to above mentions a EUR10 tax on flights under 500km from Belgium (BRU-BHX is apparently 467km), and there is a proposal to increase said tax to EUR50 - is this actually true...?!

Perhaps the route could work using a 70-seat turboprop (i.e. ATR72 or similar) although there is not an operator that could fulfil this currently; wasn't BHX-BRU previously operated by bmibaby and/or Flybe...?!

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

Post by '@tofly_totravel' on X appears to suggest that Brussels Airlines have pulled their flights for Summer 2024: https://twitter.com/tofly_totravel/s...89686509654488

I wonder whether easyJet might look at offering BHX-BRU as they're establishing a base at BHX.

Almost no chance of Easy to be honest.

Right now the only routes served under the Easy brand are a few rotations by Easyswiss to Geneva and a random daily flight to Nice .

As others suggest Ryanair to Charleroi far more likely in all all honesty if SN were to leave .

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

One of the comments on the X post that I linked to above mentions a EUR10 tax on flights under 500km from Belgium (BRU-BHX is apparently 467km), and there is a proposal to increase said tax to EUR50 - is this actually true...?!

Perhaps the route could work using a 70-seat turboprop (i.e. ATR72 or similar) although there is not an operator that could fulfil this currently; wasn't BHX-BRU previously operated by bmibaby and/or Flybe...?!

BMA (The real thing under Bishop) BEA before, and Flybe for a time

[jmdavies86]

Originally Posted by Rutan16

Right now the only routes served under the Easy brand are a few rotations by Easyswiss to Geneva and a random daily flight to Nice .

Not sure this is accurate as they also currently serve AMS, BFS, CDG, EDI, GLA, LIS, LYS & MXP and back in June last year it was announced that they're basing several aircraft and adding 15 new routes (AGP, ALC, AYT, BCN, BER, CFU, DLM, HER, JER, KOS, LCA, NBE, RHO, SSH & TFS) from BHX for Summer 2024, although most of these are being served via their in-house tour operation, easyJet Holidays.

[davidjohnson6]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

One of the comments on the X post that I linked to above mentions a EUR10 tax on flights under 500km from Belgium (BRU-BHX is apparently 467km), and there is a proposal to increase said tax to EUR50 - is this actually true...?!

The Flemish Groen (i.e. Green) party has proposed that in economy the tax should be 50 euros for sub-500 km, 10 euros for all other flights within Europe and 30 euros for flights beyond Europe. Of course, this is just a proposal and may not happen, but so far the air travel tax has raised significantly less than the Belgian Treasury had hoped.
https://www.brusselstimes.com/721379...l-budget-talks

Brussels Airlines has also cut routes to Strasbourg (probably because EU politicians want to be seen to be green) and Basel.

The only other routes from Brussels under 500 km I can see are
- London which is a very wealthy market and probably generates plenty of pax flying onto west and central Africa via BRU or N.America via LHR
- Frankfurt. LH Group want to ensure cross-feed of pax between these 2 hubs
- Zurich. Like Frankfurt, cross-feeding two hubs within the same company
- Hamburg. Bit of an odd one this as I am surprised it's lasted, but the train journey is about 7 hours so perhaps the extra 10 euros tax outweighs the train journey time.

KLM also flies Brussels - Amsterdam, a large market for transfer pax given the paucity of long-haul routes at BRU and one that KLM cannot afford to ignore. Single sector BRU-AMS flights are priced at high fares, discouraging local O&D traffic. Pax flying from Belgium via a hub within 500 km but with a final destination beyond 500 km pay a lower rate of tax.

I cannot find any routes from Charleroi, Liege or Ostend that are under 500 km. The London City - Antwerp route (driven partly by the diamond trade) is at far lower weekly frequency than it was 20 years ago

I would imagine that when the Belgian Govt decided to impose a sub-500 km tax, they were well aware that flights to Birmingham would be vulnerable, with a decision being made that it was better to sacrifice this route and keep the Belgian voters, few of which would fly to BHX, happier.

[EKBromsgrove]

Originally Posted by jmdavies86

Not sure this is accurate as they also currently serve AMS, BFS, CDG, EDI, GLA, LIS, LYS & MXP and back in June last year it was announced that they're basing several aircraft and adding 15 new routes (AGP, ALC, AYT, BCN, BER, CFU, DLM, HER, JER, KOS, LCA, NBE, RHO, SSH & TFS) from BHX for Summer 2024, although most of these are being served via their in-house tour operation, easyJet Holidays.

Think you’ve misunderstood - he’s saying hardly any routes are served by Easyjet from BRU, and he’s absolutely correct

[jmdavies86]

Originally Posted by EKBromsgrove

Think you’ve misunderstood - he’s saying hardly any routes are served by Easyjet from BRU, and he’s absolutely correct

Ah, thanks for the correction and I apologise to Rutan16 for the confusion.