Southend-3

[FRatSTN]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Less of an issue with the NEO's?

Fair point. I think they did have a couple of NEO's based pre-COVID but might be wrong. Admittedly it was probably the CEO's more caught out by this, but surely the stretch to Turkey and the Canaries may still pose a small chance of this.

[DC3 Dave]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Less of an issue with the NEO's?

That was often discussed previously when the first NEOs were added to their fleet. EZY of course stated the aircraft would be that spec in their press release which must tell us something.

If there is an issue then all I can say is, Stand by Manston. For you - Opportunity Knocks.

[markhillmana320flyer]

Originally Posted by FRatSTN

If history is anything to go by they'll be making fuel stops every other week on those longer sectors during the height of summer. Even the odd FAO and AGP's couldn't take on the fuel required to go non-stop with the payloads on particularly hot/humid summer days and would stop at somewhere like NTE or BOD to pick up more fuel. I would hope EZY have the sense to schedule those longer sectors for later in the day so they don't risk a knock-on impact to the rest of the day's operation when this is neccessary.

Just an interesting point that im a little unclear on so hoping someone can tell me.

My local Norwich has a Runway length I believe about 40ft shorter than Southend, but has never seemed to have an issue with operating the longer flights to Paphos, Dalaman and Tenerife during the Summer in the most part, alhough very very occasionally when it has been very hot at NWI they have had a to leave a few bags behind.

Obviously I know the environmental factors have a big say on performance ie wind and temp.

But is the 737 better at performance from shorter runways than the A320 series?

Thanks to anyone who can answer.

[pabely]

I was told about this a few weeks ago but with an earlier start date for based aircraft, as per the press conference at the airport today, more routes to come.
I suspect flights from away bases will be reduced but exact details will be released over coming weeks.
I am always thinking can better money be made elsewhere- AMS / CDG specificly.

[FRatSTN]

Originally Posted by markhillmana320flyer

Just an interesting point that im a little unclear on so hoping someone can tell me.

My local Norwich has a Runway length I believe about 40ft shorter than Southend, but has never seemed to have an issue with operating the longer flights to Paphos, Dalaman and Tenerife during the Summer in the most part, alhough very very occasionally when it has been very hot at NWI they have had a to leave a few bags behind.

Obviously I know the environmental factors have a big say on performance ie wind and temp.

But is the 737 better at performance from shorter runways than the A320 series?

Thanks to anyone who can answer.

I don't know the exact specifications of each although some 737NGs have the SFP (Short Field Performance) modification that helps reduce takeoff and landing distance. I believe when Ryanair operated from SEN they only ever used the SFP examples. I guess the ones that use NWI probably are too.

[AirportPlanner1]

Originally Posted by pabely

I am always thinking can better money be made elsewhere- AMS / CDG specificly.

The AMS route always did very well from SEN since the first base opened. It’s also a very short block time so if you have circa three hours slack at either end the question is what else could you do with your plane that might make more money and where there is somewhere near realistic demand. The answer is very little. From SEN you could look at JER or NQY, but aside from high summer AMS will always be a better bet and will support higher frequency. From an AMS base it’s only really other UK airports as an alternative, many of which like SEN are also existing bases.

CDG is similar, but even more limited alternatives as domestic flying is more problematic there.

[markhillmana320flyer]

Originally Posted by FRatSTN

I don't know the exact specifications of each although some 737NGs have the SFP (Short Field Performance) modification that helps reduce takeoff and landing distance. I believe when Ryanair operated from SEN they only ever used the SFP examples. I guess the ones that use NWI probably are too.

Thankyou FRatSTN makes sense.

[GayFriendly]

Good news for Southend

BHX is a 3 aircraft base and has something like 28 EZY destinations so I think there's plenty more to come for SEN. Remember to factor in non based flying. Despite the BHX base, BHX- GLA and EDI routes are away based aircraft and EJU operate a fair few rotations as well - LIS and LYS off the top of my head amongst others.

[pabely]

Originally Posted by pabely

I was told about this a few weeks ago but with an earlier start date for based aircraft, as per the press conference at the airport today, more routes to come.
I suspect flights from away bases will be reduced but exact details will be released over coming weeks.
I am always thinking can better money be made elsewhere- AMS / CDG specificly.

I have checked my source and it does say Base from March, unless a typo like the press conference this morning which quoted x3 A380NEOs !!

[AirportPlanner1]

Originally Posted by pabely

I have checked my source and it does say Base from March, unless a typo like the press conference this morning which quoted x3 A380NEOs !!

Is it the holidays that start from May? The 1st is the traditional package start date

[AirportPlanner1]

Of all the impressive range of holiday destinations Stansted serve, what an amazing coincidence the three picked out the hat for promoting today are the Canaries, Turkey and Morocco…

[pabely]

Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1

Is it the holidays that start from May? The 1st is the traditional package start date

I think so, BBC even quoting March https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp...7n4o#webview=1

[DC3 Dave]

From EZY media release.

• The new UK base will open next March creating around 130 direct and supporting many more indirect jobs

[LTNman]

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/243...eal-completes/

A RESCUE deal for Southend Airport has been completed, and it could see new airlines coming to the airport “very soon”.

[DC3 Dave]

A brief glance at EZY website appears to show 8x week to Turkey, 3 Morocco, 3 Gran Canaria, 3 Tunisia, 2 Pisa and 2 Tuscany?

Clearly this all about package holidays, which begins to make more sense when you consider that such offerings are not (for the time being) likely to be offered by EZY from STN. Of course, there is Jet2 but you cannot avoid all competition in lucrative markets. RYR can of course undercut fares if they wish, but I still think EZY have a considerable edge when it comes to booking a complete package.

[cornishsimon]

Wasn’t the issue with U2 operating to NQY that the airbus was too much aircraft for the route ?

cs

[AirportPlanner1]

Originally Posted by cornishsimon

Wasn’t the issue with U2 operating to NQY that the airbus was too much aircraft for the route ?

cs

Yes. It was more a point about the viability of SEN-AMS. I wasn’t suggesting NQY would or should return, just making the point there’s little else you could consider in gaps between longer sectors to optimise use of an aircraft. Aside from which, by all reasonable metrics, there’s no evidence SEN-AMS is a poor use of an asset. If it had been a past failure or marginal I assume EZY wouldn’t have gone out their way to operate it as a W from the FAO base.

[pamann]

Looking at the times of some of those Turkish arrivals back into SEN leaves me wondering how many will often be heading to LGW instead?

What's the latest permitted arrival into SEN at night?

[DC3 Dave]

Originally Posted by pamann

Looking at the times of some of those Turkish arrivals back into SEN leaves me wondering how many will often be heading to LGW instead?

What's the latest permitted arrival into SEN at night?

It does get a little complex. 23:30 is the basic answer but arrivals can and have been accepted later. SEN is open 24/7 but not the terminal and I do not know how far past 23:30 that can stretch. There is a night quota of 120 movements per month but (I stand to be corrected) hidden in the small print are exceptions for passenger aircraft when delay can be shown to be no fault of the operator.

So really it is flexible to some degree if it is possible to keep the terminal handling arrivals including border force etc.

Edit: Having a quick look after reading pamanns post the first arrival I saw was 23:55. What is going on? Intriguing 🧐

[AirportPlanner1]

There are also arrivals after midnight which caught my eye. I thought the latest allowed was 23:30 with delayed flights having no limit other than staffing - I know some arrived in the early hours but others went elsewhere. Perhaps 23:30 being definitive was just urban legend. The freight flights were after midnight so perhaps the planning condition doesn’t prohibit scheduled pax flights, just limits after-hours movements?