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Old 26th Jan 2024, 07:22
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If anyone is seriously arguing that the hub model is dead, you just need to look at all the spoke points served by any hub.

Consider all the possible spoke pairs, minus those pairs that would would make no geographic sense, and see how many of the remainder actually have direct flights between the two spoke points. Then think why the ones that don't have direct service don't.

I remember spending a week island-hopping in the Caribbean, on business, a while back. In many cases, the only feasible way to get from Island A to Island B was to fly via Miami. I doubt that's changed much.
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Old 26th Jan 2024, 15:54
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Yep. LHR as a hub will keep going - but it will remain limited in capacity.
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Old 27th Jan 2024, 08:38
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
If anyone is seriously arguing that the hub model is dead, you just need to look at all the spoke points served by any hub.

Consider all the possible spoke pairs, minus those pairs that would would make no geographic sense, and see how many of the remainder actually have direct flights between the two spoke points. Then think why the ones that don't have direct service don't.

I remember spending a week island-hopping in the Caribbean, on business, a while back. In many cases, the only feasible way to get from Island A to Island B was to fly via Miami. I doubt that's changed much.
Right so special use case in the Caribbean back tracking via Miami between isles .
Geopolitically the many isles group have little inter regional regional demand.

And if you read what was written it’s a critique not a damnation or death bell on the concept where it works .

Two scenarios US Domestic connections where it replaces rail ( on time and distances) and primarily feeding long haul elsewhere.( not so much inter regional) and in both places use is maintained via a range of business contracts and “awards” rather than convenience for the consumer.

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Old 27th Jan 2024, 08:55
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As it stands trends suggest the % on interlining and connecting journeys over Heathrow are declining as are the permutations of those connections and have been for some time.

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Old 27th Jan 2024, 16:39
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
As it stands trends suggest the % on interlining and connecting journeys over Heathrow are declining as are the permutations of those connections and have been for some time.
That's interesting.

I haven't seen any recent Heathrow stats, but for the past decade or so, the proportion of passengers passing through the airport who are transferring between flights has been pretty steady at a bit over a third (though beware there are two different ways of calculating the transfer percentage).

If you have access to more recent data that shows a reduction in that percentage (however calculated), I'd be interested to see it.
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Old 30th Jan 2024, 22:14
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Korean Air

Nice to see a change of aircraft at London Heathrow for summer 2024.

From the 26 June 2024 Korean Air will replace the current Boeing 777-300 on their Seoul to London Heathrow route with a Boeing 748i. The schedule remains the same with flights on a daily basis.
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Old 31st Jan 2024, 17:25
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Could that be a precursor to the merged Korean Air / Asiana having to drop its Asiana flight and so increasing capacity ahead of time?
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Old 31st Jan 2024, 17:43
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Originally Posted by jdcg
Could that be a precursor to the merged Korean Air / Asiana having to drop its Asiana flight and so increasing capacity ahead of time?
Korean did fly either the A380 or the B747-8 in summer, winter saw the B77W which post COVID was also the highest capacity offered in summer.
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Old 2nd Feb 2024, 09:35
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HAL have outsourced passenger security in T4 to ICTS. They're painfully slow! Is this a short term thing or the way of the future across other terminals?
Majority of bags going for secondary with most staff clearly training on the job,
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Old 2nd Feb 2024, 14:34
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Surely ICTS could not have been the lowest priced bidder - who then do not have enough staff to cover the well documented numbers ...
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Old 5th Feb 2024, 13:49
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Anybody know the date Tarom will leave Heathrow ? End of March 2024 or are they going to rent slots from another airline ? Seems they have sold their slots to Virgin. Tarom's flights arrive about 2pm and leave about 3pm
https://boardingpass.ro/tarom-a-vand...lire-sterline/

Between London and Bucharest:
Ryanair fly 4x daily from STN
Wizzair fly 3x daily from LTN and 1x daily from LGW
BA fly 2x daily from LHR
Tarom fly 1x daily from LHR

Apart from Beirut, Cairo and *maybe* Belgrade, Chisinau or Tel Aviv... I am struggling to see much network feed potential for Tarom when flying to/from London, given the huge number of nonstop flights between London and almost every airport in Romania. If they want to connect to Delta, then AMS and CDG presumably have better long term potential

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Old 8th Feb 2024, 22:21
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It seems ITA might be leaving Heathrow from 30 March 2024 - both their Rome FCO and Milan LIN routes on their website show as unavailable after the end of March from LHR
Who's next to leave ? Bulgaria Air perhaps ? Croatia Airlines ?
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Old 8th Feb 2024, 23:51
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Although I am not doubting the attached article regarding Tarom selling their London Heathrow slots as it seems very plausible. But an article on Ch.aviation.com on the 07 February states that Tarom has denied selling their London Heathrow slots. I'm assuming they have done and if so where will Tarom go. The airline has previously served both London Gatwick and London Stansted in the past. Could either London Gatwick or London Stansted regain Tarom in the near future.
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Old 9th Feb 2024, 00:09
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The language Tarom used around denying selling their LHR slots is strange and complicated. Almost as if a lawyer was trying to write a denial without it actually being a denial. If the story about Tarom selling slots was complete rubbish, I would have expected a much simpler wording "We have not sold our slots and any claim that we have is completely false". Convoluted wording in a denial usually means there is some substance to a story.

If Tarom do leave LHR and want to continue to fly to London, I would expect them to go to LGW. Too difficult to defend a 1x daily against a 3x or 4x daily from Ryanair at STN or a 3x daily from Wizzair at LTN. Or Tarom do something surprising... and try to fly an A318 to LCY

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Old 14th Feb 2024, 17:56
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New flights for the summer period:

Vueling new double daily BCN and daily ORY
Egyptair new 3rd daily to CAI
Emirates 7th daily with B77W to DXB (in addition to 6 daily A380)
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 18:27
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Originally Posted by Seljuk
New flights for the summer period:

Vueling new double daily BCN and daily ORY
Egyptair new 3rd daily to CAI
Emirates 7th daily with B77W to DXB (in addition to 6 daily A380)
Vueling must have got slots from someone else within IAG Group.
Emirates I'm sure had x7 daily slots pre-covid.
But where did Egyptair get them from?
Egypt is getting popular again with the flights from Luton & Gatwick with LCCs.
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 18:41
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But where did Egyptair get them from?
Perhaps leased from British Airways as bmi remedy slots for the route to Cairo ?
I'm wondering if Saudia or Flynas might be thinking about the route to LHR from Riyadh
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 18:47
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Good shout
https://www.acl-uk.org/news/iag-bmi-...ation-process/
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 18:52
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British Airways has leased 42 weekly slots to Vueling for the summer season 2024.
3 daily departures and 3 daily arrivals, hence the twice daily to Barcelona and the daily to Paris ORY. Both destinations are also served by Vueling from Gatwick too.
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Old 14th Feb 2024, 19:03
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Is there any intent for the BCN / ORY flights to be long-term or are these (as I suspect) purely slot-sitters until BA can enough get airframes and crew to operate routes that they actually want to fly ?
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