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Old 11th Nov 2021, 14:07
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Ryanair on sale - looks the same as this year, so far. Weren't all of these on sale already, except maybe Corfu?

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...sside-22135213
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Old 12th Nov 2021, 09:27
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According to the airport web site the Heathrow service is down to one flight only on a lot of days next week.

Is there a specific reason or is it because slot problems are starting to bite as Heathrow becomes busier with aircraft?
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 06:58
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No idea where the slots are from, but you'd have thought they would be allocated for the whole of the winter season. It would be surprising if slot demand is that biting in one of the lowest parts of the season.

Can only assume that Loganair are short of aircraft, crew or passengers!
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 10:19
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Only one departure on a Saturday? Is this the normal schedule for a Saturday? I know it’s the winter season and November is a very thin month, but that seems a drastically thin, even with the circumstances.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 15:51
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Looks like it, bean counters will be looking at it and eyeing up the staff.
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 18:38
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Can’t see all the new concessions doing a roaring trade?
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 19:05
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Better of running 1 2/3rds full E-Jet than 2 x 1/3 full aircraft I guess?
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Old 13th Nov 2021, 20:32
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Now that’s a good A level maths question😀
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Old 14th Nov 2021, 10:35
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All quiet on the freight operator starting up. From memory didn't KLM want to use MME as an over spill hub some years ago. The South side development wants to get a move on so the airport can attract freight and other business's, eg:- Amazon.
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Old 14th Nov 2021, 18:42
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I suspect if you are a publicly owned airport, it would be a bit of a schoolboy error to announce a new cargo operation in the middle of the COP26 conference.

Plenty of building work happening outside hanger 3 so it can't be long before something happens.
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Old 14th Nov 2021, 18:55
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From memory didn't KLM want to use MME as an over spill hub some years ago.
Was there every any truth in this rumour or can we safely file it as an urban myth?
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Old 14th Nov 2021, 19:12
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KLM freight ops? ….One of the many MME urban myths!

I would suspect if freight operations are to operate from the north side..a rather lot of expensive work will be required on strengthening and widening taxiways first?

South side a different matter.
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Old 14th Nov 2021, 22:37
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It was true, or the plans were there to bring in cargo bound for Amsterdam and ship it through tees port. Also a four lane 747 hangar was planned, think developer was Moorfield Semely or something.
The local councillor the infamous Doris Jones kicked up a stink and produced figures of more 747 freighters visiting than existed but somehow she pushed for a judicial review and got it. The developer didn't last the two to three years so eventually it failed. Doris being a Conservative councillor now doesn't bat an eyelid at the airport and its developments.

Rumour has it stand one is to be used so no need to strengthen the taxiways, they were fit for a full 146 though and work has been done on the alpha taxiway and stand 13. With them just tarting up hangar 3 and dropping in container offices after they evicted the GA it must be a cheap budget.
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Old 15th Nov 2021, 15:47
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I can believe somebody has come up with a plan for big sheds and Jumbo;s, but not that KLM were involved. AMS has only been slot constrained comparitively recently and unloading air freight at Teesside to put on a boat across the North Sea doesn't seem like the greatest idea.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 22:21
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Jersey

Anyone know what is happening with Jersey next year - currently looks like no flights to Jersey - Teesside has disappeared from the Airways Holidays website, where it had previously said charter flights from Teesside and Humberside for 2022 would be confirmed shortly, but Teesside has disappeared but Humberside remains.
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 15:07
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Jersey

The big problem seems to be that Loganair announced that it had cancelled most of its programmed flights to Jersey for 2022. NCL had three operators in 2021 ....Easyjet, Jet2 and Loganair...next year looks like only Jet2 so far......also in the pre-pandemic years a lot of Jerseys hotel stock changed use to nursing homes etc
leaving a bit of a shortage of accommodation. Maybe Airway Holidays will still organise a weekly charter....it's early days.
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Old 26th Nov 2021, 11:33
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October CAA stats:

Terminal passengers: 11,810 (compared to 10,610 last month, 2,007 passengers in October 2020 and 12,967 in October 2019)
  • Aberdeen: 1,547 (up 83% v Oct last year & down 1% v Oct 2019)
  • Belfast City: 685 (up 210% v last yr)
  • Bristol: 342
  • Heathrow: 1,448 (up 501% v last year & best month yet)
  • Newquay: 230 (up 46% v last year)
  • Alicante: 2,456 (1,668 in September)
  • Amsterdam: 715 (down 30% v last year & down 95% v 2019)
  • Corfu: 676 (797 in September)
  • Faro: 1,760 (991 in September)
  • Palma: 1,888 (995 in September)
  • Plus 63 on (football?) charters to/from Cardiff
There were also 400 transfer passengers not included in the above figures, presumably mainly Loganair passengers transiting between Bristol and Aberdeen.

Aberdeen is still growing year on year but is continuing to drop compared to recent months (following Eastern's withdrawal and the subsequent price increases) which shows the price sensitivity on this business heavy route but October's figure is still comparable to pre-pandemic levels. Belfast and Newquay follow the trend of up on last year but down on summer 2021, illustrating the more seasonal bias of these routes. Heathrow loads are creeping up (12.5 in October compared to 11/5 in September and 9.9 in August) but there is clearly much more room for improvement.

Half term gave some of the holiday routes a big boost with Alicante, Palma and Faro all having their best month since Ryanair returned to the airport. Corfu was down on September (but up on August) possibly due to it not being such an in-demand location in October. KLM ran only 20 flights to Amsterdam with an average of 35.8 passengers compared to 168 flights and 66.6 passengers in October 2019.

My take is that holiday & leisure traffic is pretty strong with drops at Newquay and Belfast more down to seasonality. However business demand is clearly weak right now and this is impacting Amsterdam, Heathrow and (to a lesser extent) Aberdeen.
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Old 27th Nov 2021, 09:14
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Just seen an ad for Jersey travel, advertising flights with Eastern from Teesside weekly on Saturdays from 21st May to 17th September. Teesside is back on the travel agent’s website so whatever happened, appears to have been resolved.
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Old 27th Nov 2021, 11:03
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yes able to book now, looks like the aircraft is Humberside based next year, and arrives at Teesside lunchtime from Jersey.. going to be busy on a Saturday around lunchtime, potentially 2 Ryanair aircraft, Loganair, this Eastern and potentially KLM if they keep the lunchtime timings!
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Old 1st Dec 2021, 09:03
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Looking at the fantastic DTV movement sight makes sorry reading today..only 3 flights?

Massive investment not really being rewarded ?

I know it’s low season and monthly figures are generally better , but should the Teesside public expect a little more choice than Aberdeen?

It’s still a very difficult time for the aviation industry and airports..goodness knows what 2022 will bring🤔
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