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I would have thought that the obvious place for Willis is the South Side where possibly the remains of Ruhr Express are buried, in regards to noise and housing, the Airfield has been there since WW2, if you don't like aircraft or the noise they make you don't buy a house near an Airfield.
I find it very annoying that the old Airfield at Croft has been used for racing cars and motorcycles since the 40's/ 50's and you have people buying houses in the area complaining about noise making it difficult for the Owners to make the venue viable, the house owners are usually the same people that used to go to the old Football Stadiums at Darlington and Middlesbrough and cause traffic, parking problems and noise pollution for the residents.
I find it very annoying that the old Airfield at Croft has been used for racing cars and motorcycles since the 40's/ 50's and you have people buying houses in the area complaining about noise making it difficult for the Owners to make the venue viable, the house owners are usually the same people that used to go to the old Football Stadiums at Darlington and Middlesbrough and cause traffic, parking problems and noise pollution for the residents.
the Airfield has been there since WW2, if you don't like aircraft or the noise they make you don't buy a house near an Airfield.
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Teesside Airport CAA Figures for November 2021:
Aircraft Movements 1471
Passenger Terminal & Transit 6959
Amsterdam 888
Alicante 2550
Aberdeen 1596
Belfast 503
Heathrow 1398
Luton 24
Aircraft Movements 1471
Passenger Terminal & Transit 6959
Amsterdam 888
Alicante 2550
Aberdeen 1596
Belfast 503
Heathrow 1398
Luton 24
Figures out for November…ouch….4/5k down on comparable years 2018 and 2019.
Looking forward to the mayor’s spin on that🙈
A lot of TVCA money riding on improvements..but suspect December will be similar?
Duty Free and Spa(opening soon) will be offering some pretty good discounts I think!
Looking forward to the mayor’s spin on that🙈
A lot of TVCA money riding on improvements..but suspect December will be similar?
Duty Free and Spa(opening soon) will be offering some pretty good discounts I think!
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November CAA stats:
Terminal passengers: 6,959 (compared to 11,810 passengers in October and 11,273 in November 2019 - November 2020 was badly impacted by covid)
Alicante loads continue to be impressive at 142 per flight in November - plus loads and overall passenger numbers were both higher than October (which included half term). Loads to Amsterdam have been in the mid 30s for the past 3 months and passenger numbers seem unlikely to improve until KLM restore multiple daily flights.
Terminal passengers: 6,959 (compared to 11,810 passengers in October and 11,273 in November 2019 - November 2020 was badly impacted by covid)
- Aberdeen: 1,596 (+3% versus October and +4% vs November 2019)
- Belfast City: 503 (compared to 685 in October)
- Heathrow: 1,398 (compared to 1,448 in October)
- Alicante: 2,550 (compared to 2,456 in October)
- Amsterdam: 888 (compared to 715 in October)
- Plus 24 on charters to/from Luton
Alicante loads continue to be impressive at 142 per flight in November - plus loads and overall passenger numbers were both higher than October (which included half term). Loads to Amsterdam have been in the mid 30s for the past 3 months and passenger numbers seem unlikely to improve until KLM restore multiple daily flights.
Another way of looking at it …7000 total passengers means 3500 outbound(ish)..means 117 passengers per day flying out of a £100 million pound airport in November. Ouch again..
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If it's not the negative brigade it's people who think they are informed but are actually clueless
Highwide has a point in that while the last 2 years have been awful... MME will need to show a significant improvement soon.
The pot of money to support MME will not last forever
The pot of money to support MME will not last forever
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Figures out for November…ouch….4/5k down on comparable years 2018 and 2019.
Looking forward to the mayor’s spin on that🙈
A lot of TVCA money riding on improvements..but suspect December will be similar?
Duty Free and Spa(opening soon) will be offering some pretty good discounts I think!
Looking forward to the mayor’s spin on that🙈
A lot of TVCA money riding on improvements..but suspect December will be similar?
Duty Free and Spa(opening soon) will be offering some pretty good discounts I think!
Back in 2018/9. KLM were just under 10k on two flights a day. KLM for November were only a couple flights a week with only an evening flight.
December saw KLM change the flight time to a dinnertime flight. This should boost their figures in December, but only way they are going to jump considerably is for the morning flights to start and last flight of evening to return. But also figures hampered by the Dutch having real tight covid restrictions, which could still hamper KLM figures.
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Agreed, when considering the amount of investment ploughed in to the airport over the past 2 years, those pax numbers are concerning to say the least and ultimately unsustainable!
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It was always expected with the Summer season over and number of routes finished til next year that passenger numbers drop away, especially with covid having a considerable effect.
Aircraft Movements are up by nearly 230 compared to November 2019.
Amsterdam figures going in the right direction. This should improve further as the flight was brought forward to dinnertime in December, but the Dutch increased covid restrictions in December. So if December figures go pear shaped even with earlier flight then this will be down to the Dutch Covid restrictions.
What is really required to see numbers jump considerably for KLM is for the morning flight and evening return flights to be reinstasted. As this will open up day trip, business meetings and connections markets thus fueling demand and numbers increase significantly.
Aberdeen passengers slightly up on 2019.
Belfast passengers have seen a drop compared to recent months but this to be expected as travel season has passed, but also covid restrictions in Northern Ireland could be having effect. December should be interesting to see with Christmas travel for family.
Heathrow slightly down compared to previous months but still roughly in same area as previous months.
Alicante seeing its best month so far this year. It is great to see that demand is increasing for the Ryanair international flights.
So looking broadly this financial year compared to 2019 for flight movements:
April -3%
May +12%
June +63%
July +51%
August +48%
September +11%
October +21%
November +16%
This is a good indication that the Airport is heading the right direction. It is not all about passenger flights for the airport, there is much much more to activities. Increased military activity with the Draken fleet. So even with the loss of the summer routes, aircraft movements are still climbing. So going off the aircraft movements alone shows really impressive improvements.
The Airport is in a really good postition going into 2022. Just need the remaining Covid restrictions lifted worldwide then Teesside Airport can start to boom.
The benchmark to see how the Airport is performing is to compare it with 2019.
What a few on here, on facebook and media are doing are just looking at figures alone, they are not looking at the figures in context to which they represent. It is only when you look at them in the full context that you see a different picture and a one that shows positivity in the gloom. The over riding factor is Covid, if you look at the figures without having Covid as context then you get a false impression.
If Covid never happened and a full timetable was in operation, then passenger numbers would have been soaring this past year and would have been easily in the region of 350-400k for 2021.
Yes the 2020-21 financial year was awful which was soley down to Covid.
The 2021-22 financial year is going to be a bit grim to read, but there will be a lot more context to look into than the headline figures will read. Effects of Covid along with big investments will have to be taken into account when looking at the 2021-22 financial report. So don't go moaning when you see the financial results headlines.
Teesside Airport has faired better than other Airports going into Covid. Teesside had a low starting point so not much to be lost compared with other Airports. Having Draken, IAS Medical and Fire School has kept airfield operations ticking over throughout the past two years.
Aircraft Movements are up by nearly 230 compared to November 2019.
Amsterdam figures going in the right direction. This should improve further as the flight was brought forward to dinnertime in December, but the Dutch increased covid restrictions in December. So if December figures go pear shaped even with earlier flight then this will be down to the Dutch Covid restrictions.
What is really required to see numbers jump considerably for KLM is for the morning flight and evening return flights to be reinstasted. As this will open up day trip, business meetings and connections markets thus fueling demand and numbers increase significantly.
Aberdeen passengers slightly up on 2019.
Belfast passengers have seen a drop compared to recent months but this to be expected as travel season has passed, but also covid restrictions in Northern Ireland could be having effect. December should be interesting to see with Christmas travel for family.
Heathrow slightly down compared to previous months but still roughly in same area as previous months.
Alicante seeing its best month so far this year. It is great to see that demand is increasing for the Ryanair international flights.
So looking broadly this financial year compared to 2019 for flight movements:
April -3%
May +12%
June +63%
July +51%
August +48%
September +11%
October +21%
November +16%
This is a good indication that the Airport is heading the right direction. It is not all about passenger flights for the airport, there is much much more to activities. Increased military activity with the Draken fleet. So even with the loss of the summer routes, aircraft movements are still climbing. So going off the aircraft movements alone shows really impressive improvements.
The Airport is in a really good postition going into 2022. Just need the remaining Covid restrictions lifted worldwide then Teesside Airport can start to boom.
The benchmark to see how the Airport is performing is to compare it with 2019.
What a few on here, on facebook and media are doing are just looking at figures alone, they are not looking at the figures in context to which they represent. It is only when you look at them in the full context that you see a different picture and a one that shows positivity in the gloom. The over riding factor is Covid, if you look at the figures without having Covid as context then you get a false impression.
If Covid never happened and a full timetable was in operation, then passenger numbers would have been soaring this past year and would have been easily in the region of 350-400k for 2021.
Yes the 2020-21 financial year was awful which was soley down to Covid.
The 2021-22 financial year is going to be a bit grim to read, but there will be a lot more context to look into than the headline figures will read. Effects of Covid along with big investments will have to be taken into account when looking at the 2021-22 financial report. So don't go moaning when you see the financial results headlines.
Teesside Airport has faired better than other Airports going into Covid. Teesside had a low starting point so not much to be lost compared with other Airports. Having Draken, IAS Medical and Fire School has kept airfield operations ticking over throughout the past two years.
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Covid is only a temporary setback if a lengthy one, the capacity on all routes reflects the potential of the route during normal times, if anything it falls short, and I would hope the airport is looking at it from this point of view and not panicking over a couple of years worth of poor figures that can be attributed to Covid and not performance.
H77 and CO are absolutely right, we need to see what happens when the Covid clouds clear. A few comments though
But the airline which knows the Teesside market better than anybody has been slow to re-instate flights and has offered a bare minimum service so far
While we wait for the world to get back to normal, normal didn't include regional jets on domestic services into LHR. LHR have also just increased their charges, and changes at Darlington and Middlesbrough have increased competition from the trains.
It'll be a very interesting summer for RYR - they are a game-changer for the airport in terms of the numbers they bring through the terminal and so make the most of the money that has been spent on it. Take RYR away and the terminal as it was could easily have handled KLM, LM and the other odds and sods.
Agreed - passenger numbers aren't the be all and end all and a diversity of operations helps keep the business robust. However, southside development still slow/non-existent, and in a covid period where similar companies have been filling their boots, Willis have been very quiet.
And on a completely different point, does anybody else have problems seeing H77's posts? I can see they are there from the main menu but don't see anything when I open the thread until somebody posts a reply after. Very odd - never seen anything like it before, any ideas?
What is really required to see numbers jump considerably for KLM is for the morning flight and evening return flights to be reinstasted. As this will open up day trip, business meetings and connections markets thus fueling demand and numbers increase significantly.
Heathrow slightly down compared to previous months but still roughly in same area as previous months.
Alicante seeing its best month so far this year. It is great to see that demand is increasing for the Ryanair international flights.
Having Draken, IAS Medical and Fire School has kept airfield operations ticking over throughout the past two years.
And on a completely different point, does anybody else have problems seeing H77's posts? I can see they are there from the main menu but don't see anything when I open the thread until somebody posts a reply after. Very odd - never seen anything like it before, any ideas?
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And on a completely different point, does anybody else have problems seeing H77's posts? I can see they are there from the main menu but don't see anything when I open the thread until somebody posts a reply after. Very odd - never seen anything like it before, any ideas?
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All of which could hint at either night flights or extended fire cat cover for based low cost!
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Without wanting to be a negative Nancy, is this not just to stop a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul? Quick look at the notams suggests Cat’s range from 3 to 4 then up to Cat 7 for a 737-800. So to save having to move staff around in the summer for the odd FR on flying days have a set of fire fighters across all watches to up to Cat 7 on those days?